So, tell me what decks are better now that Twin's gone...
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Posted on Jan. 16, 2016, 12:58 a.m. by TheAnnihilator
Pet decks, t1, 1.5, 2 decks... anything really.
Lets talk about what is going to see an upsurge!
OH and Gifts for sure will move up! I could see it being t1 now that twin is gone.
January 16, 2016 1:01 a.m.
Zoo will be very good. Tron gets better and Goryos Vengeance and Scapeshift.
January 16, 2016 1:03 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #5
Midrange decks in general get better because they don't have to fight off combo nearly as hard as they used to; now they can focus on the aggressive decks and mirrors.
Hatebears probably gets better because games don't really just end as soon, as often, anymore if that makes sense. The average game is now longer because of this ban, and that means that hatebears has more time to do their thing.
Other than that, it's kind of up to OtGW and fate and the claw to decide who will stay and who will go.
Secondary thought edit:
Goryo's vengeance and Scapeshift and melira are combo decks, so combo players are going to get all up in that crap. Maybe also storm because UR. We'll see.
January 16, 2016 1:04 a.m. Edited.
Scouty I hate to break it to you, but that's the opposite of what's going to happen. BGx midrange now sinks even lower than it was, because one of their good matchups was against twin. Remember how twin used to set the "turn 4 respect twin" rule? Now Tron takes that place, win before they get online or get stomped. Which is disgusting. Basically this means that aggressive decks will run rampant, pushing Gifts out even more than it was before.
January 16, 2016 1:07 a.m.
DevoidMage is spot on about the Hatebears. The longer I can just stall the game out, the better chance I have for Suntitan to just smash you down. Or just get poked to death by Thalia. LOL!
January 16, 2016 1:07 a.m.
Looks like my Twin SB hate will now be for graveyard and Tron. Tron is going to be stupid....maybe Karn is the best pickup now.
January 16, 2016 1:10 a.m.
Well Torpor Orb will drop. The 2 decks it currently is good against just got destroyed. It might see a little against Junk because Siege Rhino but I don't play the deck so i don't know if they play that.
January 16, 2016 1:29 a.m.
Well... I think that a brew which I have been working on is well positioned to replace twin as the control/combo deck.
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January 16, 2016 1:32 a.m.
I play a lot of Junk, and I have never seen a Torpor Orb sided in vs me.
What about the almighty Snapcaster Mage? Does anyone think that the absence of Twin will at least slightly reduce the price of him?
January 16, 2016 1:33 a.m.
No, he sees heavy legacy play. It might make for a slight dip in price, but I really want to stress the might here.
January 16, 2016 1:41 a.m.
I've built this in place of Twin...thoughts and suggestions appreciated.
January 16, 2016 1:43 a.m.
Also, anyone else notice that with the developing Bx eldrazi deck, WotC basically just nuked both of its worst match ups? It couldn't stop bloom nor twin, and being red twin even had access to Crumble to Dust in the SB.
I just hope they don't push that deck so hard it immediately breaks the format.
January 16, 2016 1:43 a.m.
Well, with OGW it kind of looks like WotC is pushing Eldrazi...it's a coincidence the cards use in Bx Eldrazi are mostly currently played in Standard.....coincidence? I THINK NOT. WotC is trying to hype up sales for Standard. Illuminati
January 16, 2016 1:45 a.m.
I think the tron into aggro and living end option makes the most sense.
January 16, 2016 1:47 a.m.
All I know is Pithing Needle just became my new best friend. :) Thank you WotC!
January 16, 2016 1:51 a.m. Edited.
@DuTogira: Bloom and Twin aren't Eldrazi's worst matchups. Affinity, Merfolk, and to a lesser extent Burn and Zoo are. It has a hard time fending off aggro, especially aggro that can interact with its lands.
I predict the rise of Blue Moon to replace Twin. 
Twin had basically become Blue Moon with a combo kill attached anyway. Affinity will presumably be better, because its major predator has left the format. 
might have to rejigger its spell lineup a bit, now that fast combo isn't as imminent a threat. There will be some interesting times going forward, that's for sure.
January 16, 2016 1:55 a.m.
Natural State is now basically strictly better than Nature's Claim in modern.
FTFY
January 16, 2016 2:14 a.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #24
Personally, I'm really happy playing B/W Pox now. So good.
January 16, 2016 2:21 a.m. Edited.
BGx just became the premier modern deck with ease. I had like 10 cards relevant in the deck for twin. With that gone that becomes sweepers to reliably beat aggro and now I can support up to 8 land destruction spells for tron. My discard and graveyard hate still beats grishoalbrand.
I used to have time pressure from twin stopping me from playing a derpy creature based game. Now I don't. This means I can literally play 12 copies of goyf and no one will stop me. Abrupt decay and path to exile? Don't need that anymore. Enjoy assembling your creature based combo against languish and damnation in my main board. I can be slow now. I don't have a combo threatening me so I can focus all my hatred on creature aggro.
Slow decks with little interaction win big. Twin was the deck that forced slow decks to be careful. Now they don't have that they get free wins.
You are kidding yourself if you think aggro is good in a creature based modern format.
January 16, 2016 4:50 a.m. Edited.
Servo_Token says... #27
Karn was headed to fifty anyway, and I'm excited that GB players are excited for this ban, because eldrazi ain't having none of your tarmo-crap
January 16, 2016 9:03 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #29
If I'm cocky enough to play through Crumble to Dust and blood moon in the same game, I'm confident that Fulminator isn't actually a threat.
January 16, 2016 9:17 a.m.
The nice thing about bgx is that at the same time as it's destroying your lands it's also hitting you for 5 each turn.
January 16, 2016 9:21 a.m.
canterlotguardian says... #31
I'm building G/B Tron, I've decided. This list.
January 16, 2016 9:21 a.m.
The thing is, neither of those combo decks is truly dead. They're just a turn slower. And the likes of Grishoalbrand and Ad Nauseam still exist, so it's not like can up and drop its spot removal package and run nothing but sweepers (though more will certainly fit in the deck). Furthermore, 4-mana sweepers like Languish and Damnation don't do a whole lot about the likes of Burn, Affinity, and Infect (and Merfolk has counterspells). Zoo and Elves just got weaker from the increased attention, sure, but those are just a few of the decks in the format.
January 16, 2016 9:47 a.m. Edited.
ComradeJim270 says... #33
I'm just disappointed my newly finished Merfolk won't get to make Twin players sad. WotC has already done a much better job of that than getting slapped in the face with fish ever could.
January 16, 2016 10:16 a.m.
Fish will be fine. That deck is too resilient to hate out of the format. If anything, I predict that this will tip us toward more of a mana denial plan (so get your Sea's Claims while they're cheap).
January 16, 2016 10:17 a.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #35
Oh, absolutely. I just wanted a chance to play that matchup. Mana denial did work last night and I'm running a Ghost Quarter main with a second in the side.
January 16, 2016 10:29 a.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #36
@ChiefBell form what I've heard from Tron players, is a very easy matchup for them. Isn't Tron going to be dominant? Or is junk and jund just going to adapt immediately to make the matchup good?
January 16, 2016 12:45 p.m.
Yeah it's an awful matchup for us but we have fine matchups against most aggro decks. Well at least abzan does. We can also adapt to tron if we really have to.
January 16, 2016 12:50 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants Tron became an established deck back when jund was a powerhouse BECAUSE it was so good against it. It's not like jund just has cards to make tron an easy match-up.
January 16, 2016 12:53 p.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #39
Feels like Junk is at least a little less screwed over than Jund by Tron's ascendance. Bolt doesn't do a damn thing against Tron. I mean... kill a wurm token, I guess? Big deal.
Got a feeling we'll be seeing Junk eat up part of Jund's share of the meta.
January 16, 2016 12:53 p.m.
Jund will just maindeck Molten Rain, Crumble to Dust, Fulminator Mage and Ghost Quarter. It can adapt just fine. In fact, in planning to play Dreadbore or heros downfall now to deal with Tron as a BGx player.
January 16, 2016 1:07 p.m.
DrFunk27 I actually like the idea of running 1 or even 2 Dreadbore or Hero's Downfall maindeck, since the main reason to run Abrupt Decay for me was the fact that it could kill twin at instant speed while staying uncounterable. This way you can still deal with Liliana of the Veil, which was another troublesome reason to run decay, AND take out a Karn Liberated or an Ugin, the Spirit Dragon.
January 16, 2016 1:31 p.m.
Jund can main deck all of the land hate that it wants. Building heavy LD slows the jund deck down, and all that LD does to tron is slow it down a bit. You still end up having to deal with Karn or a wurmcoil more often than not. If LD is really something that becomes popular, tron can also start running Crucible of Worlds.
Combo decks are needed to keep tron in check to abuse their lack of early removal. What we will see is a spike in tron play, a rise in LD as the decks that tron beats struggle to adapt, and then the rise of a new combo deck to take the place of bloom Titan and twin. My personal hope is that Pili-Pala
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Grand Architect
is that new archetype, but regardless something will rise that was previously unseen in modern. More likely it will be the goryo deck, but graveyard hate is already a thing so I don't think it will have any staying power as the new twin.
January 16, 2016 1:38 p.m.
Gandolfini says... #43
Probably my deck is even better now, Growing under the Canopy:
January 16, 2016 1:52 p.m. Edited.
Scouty I'm planning to play 2 Dreadbore. It deals with a ton of relevant threats and sorcery speed isn't an issue.
January 16, 2016 1:55 p.m.
DrFunk27 Since I primarily play Junk, I'm likely going to stick to trying out Hero's Downfall, else I'll switch over to Jund for Dreadbore.
January 16, 2016 2:01 p.m.
DuTogira - that's not true. A common jund / junk win against tron consists of a T2 Goyf or scavenging ooze followed by two or three lots of land destruction like fulminator mage or ghost quarter.
You play the matchup like a tempo deck. One threat on T2 followed by disruption t3 then t4 etc.
It can give wins.
January 16, 2016 2:03 p.m.
Can confirm with ChiefBell. If you can manage even just a T3 Land destruction, it can often be enough to take tron out for awhile, allowing for time to get up to a win.
Tron has little to no way to deal with large threats, so even just a single Tarmogoyf or a manland can be enough to kill tron off if followed up by not allowing their three pieces to be assembled.
January 16, 2016 2:10 p.m.
If there was less pressure on BGx to remove combo pieces (like if say, a certain combo deck was banned) then it could swap cards like path to exile for cards like fulminator mage.
January 16, 2016 2:13 p.m.
Very true. I feel like BGx could drop a good chunk of it's instant-speed removal due to the new lack of fear in getting comboed out after T3 all the time.
Maybe I'll even start running my fun-of Deathmark again.. AKA the snowflake of death.
Scouty says... #2
I'm pretty sure BGx will be the T1 deck at this point. I could see tron moving up the ladder as well.
January 16, 2016 1 a.m.