Sorry, Twin
Modern forum
Posted on March 10, 2015, 4:08 p.m. by Jay
Rending Volley
R
Instant
~ can't be countered by spells or abilities.
~ deals 4 damage to target White or Blue creature.
Is it me, or is this made for hosing twin? Now the targets out of Bolt range die for R. Uncounterable. Thank you Wizards.
GlistenerAgent says... #3
I think I'd still rather have Combust. Kills Rhinos.
This card is a better alternative if you don't see many Rhinos, though.
March 10, 2015 4:12 p.m.
The one less mana is still a huge thing. I think it'll see play, not sure if it'll ruin Twin but it'll be something they watch for.
March 10, 2015 4:16 p.m.
Oh it won't ruin Twin by any means. It's simply a great card to bring in against it.
March 10, 2015 4:17 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #6
I wouldn't ever bring in combust against a rhino deck. Rhino is basically the only white creature in most abzan lists
March 10, 2015 4:25 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #7
Except for you need to. Everyone brings it in. You need to kill the Rhino, especially when your colors aren't white. It's sorta like bringing in Grudge for the one Batterskull, because you will lose to it if it hits play.
March 10, 2015 4:27 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #8
I guess. I just am not sure what decks play red that care about rhino. I mean, anything with blue has countermagic. Anything with black has terminate and dismember. Anything with green probably has their own rhinos. Etc.
March 10, 2015 4:30 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #10
Yes, true. But isn't burn better off killing the opponent instead of slowing down to take out a creature?
March 10, 2015 4:34 p.m.
jandrobard says... #11
Cool card. It won't hose Twin, but it'll put in a lot of good work.
March 10, 2015 4:36 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #12
Scapeshift, for one. You need to counter Liliana, which can take away your one counter, and they also have discard to take away your answer to the Rhino so you want as many as possible.
Abzan boards the Rhinos out (I think) against Twin, so we're fine there.
UWR Control just wants more answers to everything.
March 10, 2015 4:36 p.m.
Hose was a strong word, yes.
Burn can't swing through a 4/5 with their Swiftspears, and with the life swing they gained they'll be putting you in serious danger of death yourself.
March 10, 2015 4:37 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #14
TBH, as Burn you just Skullcrack the Rhino and proceed as normal. You're not trying to kill it, unless you have Path to Exile in your sideboard.
March 10, 2015 4:39 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #15
Jund also runs Combust in the SB, as noted it's great for killing Twins targets, Rhinos, Resto's, and Celestial Colonnades. being uncounterable is also sweet against 2 of the decks that run those creatures.
March 10, 2015 4:40 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #16
Also a small note, Combusts damage can't be prevented.
March 10, 2015 4:41 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #21
Well I mean, I am. The difference in damage is huge for killing Rhinos efficiently. As GlistenerAgent mentioned though, if you don't see Rhinos, this is better. Also Abzan lists have shown up in many forms including lists that have multiple Wilt-Leaf Lieges, and the 1 damage could mean the difference between killing a Voice of Resurgence Token, and dying.
March 10, 2015 4:50 p.m.
If we're playing hypotheticals, though, the one mana could similarly make or break the game.
I agree that it's certainly a meta call, but this is a strong card which will undoubtedly see sideboard play.
March 10, 2015 4:53 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #23
Well then I think it comes down to the cards serving the same role, but for different decks. In tempo based decks, the 1 mana is all the difference, but in those that can afford the 1 mana that extra damage is worth it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, we agree lol
March 10, 2015 4:58 p.m.
InnerFlame says... #24
Nothing twin hasn't had to deal with before with Combust out there. The difference of course being it only cost 1 mana instead of 2. The great thing about twin is we have other ways to win.
March 10, 2015 5:28 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #25
GlistenerAgent I'm not brining in Combust against Abzan. I'm bringing in Roast. It hits more.
March 11, 2015 2:14 a.m.
Well, I think Twin(tarmo version) has gained more then it has lost from DTK. I'll be running Assault Formation in the future, 1 MB and 1-2 SB. It just feels like it can be a great addition to the deck. Letting your Goyfs attack into opponents Goyfs, boosting your Deceiver Exarch to deal 4-5dmg. Seems like a great card to run overall and especially post SB games when you side out your Pestermites and 3/4 Splinter Twin to become a tempo/control deck with an even better beatdown plan then you had before.
March 11, 2015 6:24 a.m.
ModernCentralPublic says... #27
I don't understand the argument for burn using combust against rhinos. If they resolve siege rhino and I don't have an artaka's or a skullcrack than it's going to be a really uphill battle and combust absolutely will not help, I would rather have Searing Blaze to make up the damage. Creatures in RDW are meant for early game damage, and I rarely attack with my creatures by turn 4 vs abzan anyway, they make better defenders than attackers.
March 11, 2015 9:20 a.m.
I don't think burn should use Combust against rhinos. I was just pointing out that they're very difficult for burn to handle.
March 11, 2015 9:22 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #29
Roast is the better choice for sure JexInfinite. I need to get my hands on those.
March 11, 2015 4:25 p.m.
I think Combust is kinda better. At least for Tron. That's the only deck I had where Combust was in the 75 before. I think it was more designed to have an impact in standard sideboards and to be an alternate option to Combust in modern sideboards.
March 13, 2015 12:50 a.m.
And Roast is to Flame Slash as Combust is to Rending Volley. All four cards listed here are good, it just depends which you'd rather run based on the deck.
March 13, 2015 12:52 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #33
I wouldn't bring in Combust vs rhino, I'd bring in 3x Thragtusk and 1x Wurmcoil Engine and ask how they plan to get past my blockers, volley is better than combust in tron atleast
Jay says... #2
This is a spoiler, btw. Not in srs because I'm talking modern impact. The image is in french so I translated for y'all.
March 10, 2015 4:09 p.m.