Splinter twin
Modern forum
Posted on March 4, 2015, 8:56 p.m. by IndepenentMeta
So I was looking at the last scg event. And I've been hearing a lot about splinter twin. I took the time to build my own version of the deck and I mock boarded a few matches vs my sultai, and I found it being pretty damn consistent. The mana costs are fair, it has a balanced amount of kill spells with counter traps, and you can even splash in some haymakers like stormbreath or tasigur in a glixis varient. I was pretty amused by the deck due to the fact that the old card game I was playing didn't have a balanced out infinite. I mean it's pretty neat that you can battle it out in a control style, go aggro, get discard options, and loot for a the infinite.I gotta say I am impressed
JexInfinite says... #2
Deceiver Exarch is better than Pestermite. Why? It doesn't die to Lightning Bolt or Electrolyze.
March 5, 2015 5:33 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #3
U make a thread about Twin and then choose to water down the deck to some kind of post standard rotation looking thing but keep all the scry cards so u can find the twin combo? That make sense!
The deck is good because of its consistency and the ability to win T4 on a tapped out opponent short of Slaughter Pact. U are taking away both those things to fit in inferior choices. The deck already doubles as midrange, u don't need to make those changes. I think Delver might be a better deck for u? Seems to play out how u want Twin to play.
March 5, 2015 10:29 a.m.
notamardybum says... #4
March 5, 2015 10:32 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #7
I wouldn't call it watered down just cause I'm using different techs. The deck is fine the way I'm running it. I think so. This is actually how I wanna pick it up and play with in RL once I'm in that step and i feel it's missing something I'll come back for deck advise. But for right now I just wanna talk bout the deck.
March 5, 2015 1:32 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #8
Why triple tasigur thou?
I've heard your never suppose to more than 2. But I wanna hear what you think bout it ;). I more less agree there's decks where I find myself teching 4
March 5, 2015 1:34 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #9
Magma Jet is bad when you can play Lightning Bolt. It's not tech, it's just bad.
March 5, 2015 3 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #10
Most people say that about everything. Then you go try it out it wins you some games because lightning bolt couldn't scry. Then they look at you and continue to hate on your tech. It's part of the game that takes some understanding.
March 5, 2015 3:08 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #11
I'll prolly pick up a set of lightning bolts in case it doesn't work thou. I don't wanna be short handed when fixing my deck. So I'll also pick up a set of exarch. Just in case.
March 5, 2015 3:10 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #12
It is watered down, u reduced the consistency of the combo to add standard "tech". That's the definition of watering down.
There's already a deck like that too that does it much better just look up Tarmo-Twin.
I know this comes across as harsh but ur asking about a competitive established deck in a competitive format. Ur playing a grixis midrange deck with a combo in it. However u need to realize that by taking away the combo game plan u are opening the door to other susceptibilities such as pretty much any troublesome enchantment.
March 5, 2015 3:29 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #13
I kno you guys think it's bad magic but I feel so confident in my deck I don't think it's gonna hurt my chances at topping.
Tamro twin? I'll take a look for ya man ;) thanks
March 5, 2015 3:34 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #14
Tarmo twin:http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=6698&d=238472
Looks good man but not my playstyle I think I saw a deck like this top at the recent SCG's. To me sacrifice cards like dismember and terminate isn't too great for access to tramogof and ooze. If I wanted to build a deck like that I'd splash in some experiment une. And just take out the splitter twin IMO. Plus that deck is like 1,500 dollars way out of my range
March 5, 2015 3:40 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #15
Well most competitive modern decks are expensive. Even the build u have needs a much better mana base.
I will say that ur deck looks better now than the 1st time I looked at it.
March 5, 2015 3:47 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #16
For instance a single Blood Moon resolving pretty much kills your entire deck...
March 5, 2015 3:50 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #17
That's the case with most decks.. I saw that thing get play time I was like wtf? What can you play after that lol.
March 5, 2015 3:55 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #18
I could prolly side in some of the UR engine for that match up. That way bloodmoom won't lock me down too much.
March 5, 2015 3:57 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #19
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-03-15-temur-aggro/
I'd build something like that of I had the budget
March 5, 2015 3:57 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #20
It's more of a failure to know how to build a good manabase that your deck will lose to Blood Moon.
I don't know why Remand is not in your deck.
March 5, 2015 3:59 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #21
I'm planning on put som exarch and other UR spilnter twin stuff. That way I could have some plays against it when blood moon is up. But the only thing I see as a problem is the mirror match is the only match up I see where bloodmoom would come in.
March 5, 2015 4:09 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #22
I didn't know remand was 13 dollars the last time I saw it they were 23 bucks each. I'm building this deck with a budget in mind but If I get the chance to pick any up I will do so
March 5, 2015 4:11 p.m.
FreddyFlash311 says... #23
Tasigur's a house, nothing wrong with running multiples. In most matches, if they haven't seen your combo pieces yet, the first Tasigur will have a huge target on his head and will probably be killed asap. He's usually better when you can pair him with Lilly but I wouldn't hesitate to have a playset in the 75 if there's room. Try playtesting against various matchups with 4 maindeck
Two things that can potentially help- look around online for videos of Modern-focused players running Grixis Twin, to learn some of the different lines of play and thought processes behind selection. And read up more on Mana Leak vs Remand or other Modern-legal counters. There's a method to the counterspell selection, and each one has it's roles.
March 5, 2015 4:26 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #24
Force of will is getting a reprint :D I might run that
March 5, 2015 4:27 p.m.
FreddyFlash311 says... #25
Glistener beat me to the Remand part :o I was on the phone, my bad.
For real though, check out videos online. There's a reason why some cards are selected versus others. You can do your own playtesting to get a feel for the why's or you can learn the opinions of pros who've spent countless hours figuring out what works best and why.
March 5, 2015 4:29 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #27
I'll take a look, I was going to get 2x cause the price is pretty good on em
March 5, 2015 4:32 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #28
FoW is not getting a reprint. That picture going around is fake. That would ruin standard and modern.
March 5, 2015 4:34 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #29
You've really got to be smoking some strong shit if you think FoW will ever get a Modern legal reprint.
March 5, 2015 4:43 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #30
Lol geez these vatos over react so much it would ruin everything guys just chill out. And if it's a fake it's a fake but it has a pack number and anticipate is getting a reprint too. Not bad.
March 5, 2015 4:50 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #31
Well it did just get reprinted as a judge reward valued at 800$ or something like that.
March 5, 2015 5:04 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #32
I agree with Agent, Basically netdeck, This archetype has been thoroughly explored since the first Modern PT.
If you don't want to go infinite to Often dont play UR, Play Blue Moon or UWR Kiki Control.
March 5, 2015 5:07 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #33
Yeah that's the good part man super badass set this format
March 5, 2015 5:26 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #35
There are some things that just dont make sense, 3 Serum Visions? Remand? Lightning Bolt
You mention that its consistent, It is consistent because of cards like this.
Maindeck Dragon? Maindeck Keranos? These are meant for your sideboard to bring in against grindy matchups.
The best card to splash black for is Thoughtsieze and Banana Man but you only have 2 Sieze (Banana Man is fine at 3).
The mana base needs a complete overhaul.
No exarch is just plain wrong.
March 5, 2015 5:36 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #37
Maindeck Keranos is kinda sweet, actually. I'll put up my own version in a little while maybe.
March 5, 2015 5:38 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #38
It sorta depends on how you want to play the game and what matchups you expect to play.
March 5, 2015 5:41 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #39
Weird Numbers Playtest
Modern
SCORE: 0 | 0 COMMENTS | 0 VIEWSThe old five-minute brew. Some stuff isn't worked out yet, but it's a reasonable starting place.
March 5, 2015 5:50 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #40
I'd rather get scrys the lightning bolt is there because there was no magma jet in modern IMO. There's not much of a tactical approach towards lightning but 1 more damage. Plus what are really the monster line ups where the 1 point makes a difference?
Remand is good and fairly affordable I do have to give that a try
As for three serum visions it's for extra deck space. It's cut that might seem risky but could pay off if I happen to go late game
No exarch because I think 4x pestermite might be a secure number for the infinite.
The main board stormbreaths and Keranos are suppose to be the back up plan incase the spilnter twin combos gets tampered with. This way I have more to bring to the board than just counter spells and burn spells
2x thoughtseize is not a bad tech choice in serval events in the past the ptq worlds or scg finest got first place with only 2x thoughtseize.
It's not impossible to see that getting me a top table at a locals with my build to splinter twin. And it does set its self apart from all the other decklists I've been looking up. Most of the difference between finalist is different numbers of remand, spell snare, or other UR splinter staples.
March 5, 2015 7:01 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #41
@glister I noticed you only have 3x twins In your build is that a tech choice or are you missing one? Also the electrolyze.
But over all I gave it a +1 due to the fact that the decklist looks very consistent and it be foolish for me not to recognize it
March 5, 2015 7:03 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #42
Wild Nacatl. Turn 1 mana creatures. Affinity creatures (they can get up to three toughness really easily). So much more. Lightning Bolt both deals a relevant extra point of damage and costs one mana, which is hella important in a format of really fast kills.
Remand is better than Mana Leak in Twin.
Serum Visions is very, very good in Twin, more so in other decks because you maximize cheap spells with Snapcaster Mage and are digging for tempo pieces.
Deceiver Exarch should be at a four-of, while Mite can be 2-3. Exarch does not die to Bolt, which is why it is a better choice. Comboing with Pestermite loses to literally every available removal spell.
The "backup plan" is beating down with Snapcasters, Exarchs and Bolting the face. It works, and you don't really need five-mana sorceries clunking up your tempo deck.
Thoughtseize is alright in this deck. I might cut it for other cards, but it's fine.
Spell Snare absolutely needs to be in your deck given the high concentration of Affinity, Tarmogoyf, Snapcaster Mage and Burn in Modern.
Given how much you know about the deck and how strong of a Magic player you appear to be, I'd suggest practicing a lot and talking to people on websites such as MtGSalvation, etc. before getting smashed.
I just noticed that your username is spelled incorrectly. :)
March 5, 2015 7:08 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #43
I'm playing 3 Twins because it's the worst card in the deck. It can get you out of some of the worst situations, but drawing two is horrible. The alternate wincon is very strong as is.
March 5, 2015 7:08 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #44
The Three makes perfect sense to me and I agree with everything you just said Agent.
You win at your meta most likely for the same reason I win, My meta for the most part is incredibly inexperienced and oblivious to the Modern Metagame.
March 5, 2015 7:44 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #45
The people I play against are a lot better at Magic than I am, and know Modern rather well. I win because my deck is built better and I know sideboarding better than all of them.
March 5, 2015 7:49 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #46
Yeah I'm topping with a half build sultai every weekend. I don't have any caryatid, courser of kruphix, or temple of malady. I'm also missing 1x downfall, 1x whip of erebos, and a bunch of other cstaples. The reason why I get away with the victory is none short of me knowing what I'm doing. Sometimes it's ok to step out of the "pro" tech choices man make your own decisions. This way if you win at any event you can tell people "oh I thought I need x because I had to worry bout Y but it turns out that z works just as fine as x". Idk that's normally how I play tcg's. It's considered to be bk if your not using what everyone else is using. But eh I'm getting by as a top player just fine....
March 5, 2015 7:58 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #47
My apoligies, I'm going to emphasise proper sentence structure.
Sed Eheu! Anyone can buy a good deck, Playing it well is another thing.
I'd like to think I have a decent grasp on Modern and can pilot the decks I play somewhat proficiently.
March 5, 2015 8:09 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #48
@glister yeah I love it when you pick the right sideboard cards and it works out for you. Something more of disdainful strokes, dissolve, rather than something you know would fuck a player for good. The past few games where I side against my opponent the sides worked to prefection. I like it
March 5, 2015 8:13 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #49
Oh course lol I dnt go expensive I go by the cheapest and most effective way into the meta. This is a sign of some skill
IndepenentMeta says... #1
The throes block is leaving soon so I might as well give IMagma jets a nice home
March 5, 2015 1:05 a.m.