Stealing Storm?
Modern forum
Posted on Nov. 27, 2017, 7:26 p.m. by Xica
Are there modern legal spells that allow you to copy triggered abilities?
(Since "storm" works by placing a triggered ability on the stack, that makes copies of the spell for each spell cast before it this turn. - If one is able to gain control, or create a new copy of the triggered ability, he/she will get those abilities resolved before the storm player, potentially killing the storm player, before his copies of Grapeshot could resolve.)
I only found stuff like Reverberate & Reroute, which don't do much to the triggered ability, so is there any spell that can be used to steal it?
I really want to get the same reaction, that happens when a T3 Karn Liberated gets Commandeer-ed!
I don't believe there are, either. You can cycle Nimble Obstructionist in response, and reduce all of their Grapeshots to just the original copy, but that's about it.
November 27, 2017 7:46 p.m.
I truly never thought about this before..... but I believe when you copy and choose new targets for a spell your copied spells resolve first...like if you somehow had the mana to use Mirror Sheen you could effectively kill the opponent first... in the case of Grapeshot i dont see why a simple Swerve/Reverberate dont effectively do the job.... but if im wrong (and i very likely am)... i know this doesnt "Steal" a storm...but Counterflux is a good alternative to stop storm.
November 27, 2017 7:49 p.m.
In order for you to "steal storm" you would need to cast the spells. Copying a spell and casting a copy of a spell are very different with cast triggers
November 27, 2017 8:16 p.m.
DarkMagician says... #7
Mindbreak Trap will give a storm player nightmares, it won't kill them out right but it will negate all of the work they put into that lethal Gutshot
November 28, 2017 1:51 a.m.
WizardOfTheNorthernCoast says... #8
Overloaded Counterflux works too.
Otherwise, if Storm really is a big deal in your meta, just play 3-4 Leyline of Sanctity and there you go :)
November 28, 2017 3:42 a.m.
Besides that, stifle effects like Nimble Obstructionist or Disallow will stop the trigger on the stack; Trickbind work perfectly and prevent them from negating the counterspell. Summary Dismissal is a single color overloaded Counterflux.
November 28, 2017 4:05 a.m.
Icbrgr, Entrei
Mirror Sheen, Reverberate and the like don't work against storm.
Storm as an ability does the following:
1# It places a single copy of the original spell on the stack
2# THEN it places a triggered ability (as its casted, not on resolution) on the stack - this triggered ability creates all those many copies of the storm spell.
3# Then the triggered ability resolves, then the lot of freshly created copies resolve, and then the original resolves.
As such any effect that can interact with abilities is able to catch storm, be it "exile the stack" effects, like Summary Dismissal, Glorious End, Time Stop, and stuff that can counter abilties like Summary Dismissal, Voidslime, Nimble Obstructionist, Trickbind.
However these spell are only buying you time, they are not the same as casting Rakdos Charm against Splinter Twin, or Commandeer against Karn Liberated.
However if there would be a way to gain control of or create a copy (you own) of the storm trigger(ed ability), then your copies would enter the stack later, and resolve first, hopefully killing the storm player, if the storm count is high enough.
November 28, 2017 4:06 a.m.
Jaytotheareokay says... #12
Pariah + Stuffy Doll kind of. Its kind of a build around so it depends on exactly how much shit this particular storm player was talking.
Entrei says... #2
No. to my knowledge there are no "cast a copy" spells. You can gain control of the original, but the cast copies by the stack under the other player
November 27, 2017 7:44 p.m.