Super Saiyan Jace in Modern?
Modern forum
Posted on April 24, 2015, 10:42 a.m. by edhan57
Maybe this is a really foolish question but I was wondering the other day,
How detrimental would it be if Jace, the Mind Sculptor was unbanned in Modern?
So I don't know very much about the competitive scenes of Modern and Legacy (where Jace sees play).
I was just thinking, in the notorious 4-turn format of Modern, as a 4 CMC, Jace wouldn't make the meta any faster (I don't think?). If anything, he might balance the meta more, as it looks like control is a very under-represented pool in Modern, currently. It might even slow down the meta a bit? I guess Jace could make a lot of decks more consistent beyond turn 5.
Now, I don't know if there are any silly, utterly abusive tactics that the Legacy decks use with Jace, the Mind Sculptor. I would love to learn more about the Modern meta and its balancing act, just please don't berate me for asking such a controversial question!
I feel like we need a 2 drop instant speed planeswalker removal spell, then there would be no reason he needs to stay banned, IMO. He doesnt seem that OP in the current meta. a lot of the time he will end up being a 4 drop Brainstorm
April 24, 2015 10:49 a.m.
How many times would said blue decks be able to use his Brainstorm +0 ability before it dies? Burn, at the very least could take care of it. I feel like most aggro decks would do well. And the player wants to leave open mana on the turn Jace, the Mind Sculptor comes out, then they would have to wait until turn 5-6, at least.
April 24, 2015 10:54 a.m.
alexthegreat38 says... #5
April 24, 2015 10:58 a.m.
alexthegreat38 thats not an instant man. thats why it doesnt see play.
April 24, 2015 11:03 a.m.
MattTheNinja says... #8
Just gonna leave this here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYrslokS2Ac
April 24, 2015 11:03 a.m.
DimirPlagueLord says... #9
@MattTheNinja Thank You Sir. That made my whole Friday morning.
April 24, 2015 12:08 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #10
I played during CawBlade standard, and while it was oppressive I want to remind everybody that there were other things going on at the time. Stoneforge Mystic could tutor for Sword of Feast and Famine (untap your lands in a control deck, suuuure) and then Batterskull. Batterskull brought the ban of Stoneforge, but Squadron Hawk made you always have something to carry the sword with. We just didn't have another flyer to really compete with the card advantage at the time. Preordain(banned in modern) was played in higher numbers in top 8s than Jace was, and we had access to Spell Pierce which is also modern playable. Basically the entire core of the deck is playable in Modern, but with the card manipulation of Preordain and Ponder and the tutor for a Sword of Requires an Answer being banned, the rest of the deck doesn't tie itself together nearly as well.
Adding Jace gives you a four mana Brainstorm that turns into an information centre moving forward if you want to be fatesealing. I remember when they said that was the last minute change that didn't get the development time it deserved, because that was he piece that was stronger than expected. I don't know if any deck in modern right now needs Jace. I know fluffybunnypants built a deck to abuse him, so look at that before you say it's healthy to bring him back. I would like to see him come back, but I do think one more answer to him would be good. Dreadbore, Hero's Downfall and Utter End are not enough.
April 24, 2015 12:15 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #11
Plus...Jace, Lili and Lingering Souls in the same deck could be really annoying to play against.
April 24, 2015 12:21 p.m.
alexthegreat38 says... #12
Oh wow, I didn't even realize Dreadbore was a sorcery. That's pretty bad then, disregard!
April 24, 2015 1:05 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #13
We need an opposite Abrupt Decay ...can't be countered 
cost Destroy Target Permanent with converted mana cost 4 or above.
April 24, 2015 1:47 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #14
There are so many arguments one way or the other, but at the end of the day you should realize. There is no brainstorm effect in modern, and most cheap deck manipulation has been banned. Because of that I feel that Jace will never be unbanned in Modern.
April 24, 2015 1:52 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #15
GuessAnticipate and it's variants are as close as well get.
April 24, 2015 2:34 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #16
People be like "Jace will just die after Brainstorming if you play him on turn 4".
Right, because I'm playing my Jace on turn 4.
But really, pls don't unban. The format would be broken the opposite way from what it is currently. I would also have to buy Jaces.
JexInfinite says... #2
Jace is not coming off the ban list. However, if he was legal, most blue decks would play him, and abuse the hell out of that reusable Brainstorm.
April 24, 2015 10:48 a.m.