Urzatron with Filter and Pain lands manabase?

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Posted on March 19, 2022, 12:22 p.m. by 9-lives

Is this group of lands for a non-chromatic lantern 5c manabase useful or even viable for an 80 card deck? Here's the list:

I imagine it would perform as good as using a manabase built on as many tri-lands and dual lands as possible.

legendofa says... #2

City of Brass and Mana Confluence add mana, instead of just filtering like Shimmering Grotto and Painted Bluffs.

This also has a lot of building required. Without lots of land searching, it's going to be pretty colorless at first. So I'm not quite sure what this would go into, generating colorless mana until it starts generating all colors. Maybe if you want to get Chromanticore and Godhead of Awe in the same deck?

It's an interesting idea, I'm just not sure there's a problem that needs this solution.

March 19, 2022 12:37 p.m.

psionictemplar says... #3

I suppose the biggest question would be, what are you trying to do with it? In my experience though, you build a deck and the mana at the end. The main reason being mana is flexible but mana costs aren't.

March 19, 2022 1:31 p.m.

9-lives says... #4

psionictemplar awesome username! My favorite classes in D&D are psionic!

I honesty have no idea what I want to do with it. I'm just wondering if I'll have a chance at making a 5c deck with this schematic of lands, not so I can play 5c MV cards, but so I can have freedom of playing whatever is useful. Obviously, I'm not going to be drawing all Urza's cards or all Filter Lands all the time.

I'm considering adding 4x City of Brass and 4x Mana Confluence with an 80 card deck. What do you think would be the best use of this manabase?

The concept of this deck is to somehow change strategies if needed? A toolbox deck? Like synergies among all five colors? Not a shrines deck, though, even though this seems to be optimal for that.

March 19, 2022 1:48 p.m.

SpammyV says... #5

I wouldn't really recommend building your mana base with filter lands like that. If any spells do require colored mana, you would be casting them later than otherwise possible, or adding an extra "tax" of colorless mana to filter into them. Which would also spiral much higher if a spell has multiple pips. Effectively, Lightning Bolt would cost 1R and Counterspell would cost 2UU.

March 19, 2022 2:20 p.m.

9-lives says... #6

SpammyV I'm going to be generating mana a bit faster than most people if I draw Urza's cards. If I use my colorless to generate color, it won't matter. I just need something to help me generate as much mana as fast as possible. And, yes, the filter lands are cutting my mana in half. I also have 4x City of Brass and 4x Mana Confluence

March 19, 2022 5:51 p.m.

MollyMab says... #7

Pauper had 5c tron for years.

So first up. 80 cards is bad in tron. You need to see those tron lands often and early. Defo go to 60.

Your land set up is pretty eh. I would advise potentially trying something like paupers propthetic prism set up as mana filtering cantrips. Depending what engines you run it can create interesting board states and engines in itself as say Ghostly Flicker can be an instant speed free cantrip or a 3 mana draw 2 who refreshes your filter.

Also for painted bluffs Cave of Temptation is better.

March 20, 2022 3:58 a.m.

goodair says... #8

You gotta ask what are you gaining by going 5c that makes these worth it:

1: painful manabase.

2: greedier mana base.

3: potentially cutting the consistancy of getting tron online.

4: is more powerful than the colorless options already available

March 21, 2022 2 a.m.

nbarry223 says... #9

I also want to point out that your lack of basics makes you even more vulnerable to literally every form of hate in modern, and will even force you to resign to one card in a lot of cases.

The power of fetches is not only their ability to find color fixing 2 and 3 color lands, but also to find basics against certain hate.

I’m not saying that you need to run fetches shocks or triomes, but I am saying that you should strongly consider running at least some basics. Alternatively, you could go with something like Sundering Titan to capitalize on your distinct lack of basic land types.

I’m not sure how I feel about the pain and filter lands, as I feel like there’s better options out there. For example, Reflecting Pool is just an upgrade once you have any of those down, so I’d consider it as 2-3 copies. There’s also the vivid cycle, which does come in tapped, but could produce any color if needed, but more importantly can tap for whatever main color(s) you pick. I’d google 5 color lands for modern, there’s actually quite a few, but it’s hard to really say what’s best without knowing the rest of the deck.

March 21, 2022 10:47 p.m.

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