Valorous Stance is a really great card
Modern forum
Posted on Feb. 7, 2015, 2:47 a.m. by JexInfinite
It might possibly be the best modern playable from FRF. I'm going to stick by that.
What does Valorous Stance actually do?
Well, you could protect a dude, or kill a fatty for 
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A list of modern playables that you can kill: Tasigur, the Golden Fang, Siege Rhino, Tarmogoyf, Celestial Colonnade, a buffed Inkmoth Nexus, a buffed infect creature, Wurmcoil Engine, Doran, the Siege Tower, Anafenza, the Foremost, Courser of Kruphix, Knight of the Reliquary, and many more.
You can kill every creature that matters (except Dark Confidant) for 2 mana.
There is another thing you can do which people don't seem to read: You can protect a dude. You could protect your Celestial Colonnade or Siege Rhino from opposing Valorous Stances or Slaughter Pact. You could save that chump blocker for next turn.
Guys, why are you not playing this? Best modern playable from FRF, without a doubt.
Well. Probably because Path to Exile blanks half of it. That being said, it does cover almost everything Abrupt Decay doesn't, and even overlaps with goyf. In other words , Abzan wins again. Sigh
February 7, 2015 3:47 a.m.
"Best modern playable from FRF" Except not even remotely close. Tasigur is infinitely better... No decks want a crappy 2 mana removal spell that doesn't hit a ton of important targets and has an often irrelevant 2nd abiltiy. It's definitely not playable at all.
February 7, 2015 3:56 a.m.
Idk if it's the best modern frf card for modern... but it is modern playable.
February 7, 2015 4:18 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #6
Tasigur, the Golden Fang is probably the best modern playable card in FRF.
xlaleclx actually it might see fringe play tier 2-1.5 as it gives you options and versatility and can destroy Siege Rhinos and Tarmogoyfs, two hardly irrelevant creatures.
February 7, 2015 4:30 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #7
xlaleclx You contradict yourself. If Tasigur is so good, then Stance is also good. Tasigur also has a mostly irrelevant ability, but the option is there to use it.
Stance hits everything that Bolt can't. Goblin Guide dies to bolt, but Siege Rhino does not. You can protect your Goyf, that has lethal damage next turn, against non-Path removal to win the game. You could kill an enemy Goyf so you can get the damage through.
How are people not seeing how good this card is? 2 mana. Tasigur has a CMC of 6. Rhino costs 4. It's like a better Doom Blade that allows many decks to get rid of fatties. For White Weenies, it's Bolas' gift. For control, it's the reward for not letting people play magic. For Abzan, it's another reason for Wizards to ponder on the ban list.
February 7, 2015 4:36 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #8
awesomeguy37 This is T1 playable. Really good sideboard material, and secret tech for control.
February 7, 2015 4:37 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #9
Maybe, we'll see, I do think it is good though, don't get me wrong, I am just not sure how much play it's going to see JexInfinite
February 7, 2015 4:41 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #10
awesomeguy37 Nobody really knows of its existence outside of limited, and to a degree standard. I don't expect this to change. It's sort of like how Shadow of Doubt is insane (not as much now, because of bannings), but people don't know it exists.
February 7, 2015 4:44 a.m.
Although he'll probably go up again after that hilarious delve deck showed up.
February 7, 2015 5:21 a.m.
I'm splashing black for 3 Tas and some removal in my twin deck and I really like him. I'm playing him over Goyf for the spot removal and other cards in black I get for my SB that I prefer over the green SB stuff. And I have found that it's actually really good being able to activate him in the late game and I'm not sure i would go back to playing Goyf over him.
Regarding Valorous Stance I can see playing 2-3 in my 75 if I'm running a deck that gains a lot from it. Geist of Saint Traft trempo/midrange decks might like some number since it can use both halfs of the card well. Junnk decks might like 1-2 in their 75 for the midrange mirrors. But there are just som many other good cards, so I feel like the Geist decks are the only really good home for the card since both effects are something I'd like when playing Geist.
February 7, 2015 5:32 a.m.
I can see other decks splashing black over green in favour of Tas over Goyf because black does open you up to thoughtseize etc. In a deck that has access to both already Tas is lacklustre and Goyf is awesome.
February 7, 2015 5:35 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #15
Jojja Geist decks do seem like the 'perfect' place for them, but they are still damn useful everywhere else. But seriously, Goyf is better than Tasigur.
ChiefBell Tas is just a 5th Goyf which downgrades Goyf by casting it. He's not particularly amazing, but he opens the format to those cheapo budget deck guys.
February 7, 2015 5:37 a.m.
I'd say it all depends on what the deck is trying to do. In classic rock style decks then Goyf is better. But if your running U/x/b then your normally getting more out of the activation from Tas and while being able to have some sort of control over your gy. In the end I think Goyf is overall a better card but not in every deck since Tas brings different options over Goyf, making it better in some decks(Like twin or other more controling midrange decks).
February 7, 2015 5:44 a.m.
Meh. It's an awfully lacklustre ability to be spending 4 mana on. With no guarantee of getting anything useful sent back to hand, and being in the colours for Dark Confidant, it makes that whole thing look decidedly weak.
February 7, 2015 6:48 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #18
There's a reason that Chapin was playing Gurmag Angler, which incidentally dies to Valorous Stance. Your graveyard is a non-refundable resource.
Stance seems very strong in Zoo, and Burn could get use out of it vs Rhino and Courser. There's no arguing that a Doom Blade in white is a great addition to the sideboard arsenal.
February 7, 2015 7:05 a.m.
I don't think the stance is that good at all. Both options are really inefficient. Sure, there are 2 things to choose, but that doesn't make it instantly great. I prefer Path or Brave the Elements any day. Decks that need both abilities (which is like, what, UW tempo?) Will run the better options first, and then this if this at all.
It's just not that great.
February 7, 2015 11:14 a.m.
Tasigur doesn't impress me. Valorous Stance reminds me a bit of Boros Charm and will definitely find a home in modern.
February 7, 2015 2:08 p.m.
I fee like if you are gonna run Tasigur you probably want to be running Relic as well to thin you graveyard.
February 7, 2015 2:16 p.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #22
Speaking of Gurmag Angler what was Patrick chapin's decklist, I would like to see it
February 7, 2015 2:17 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #23
awesomeguy37 If anyone releases it, we would know. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything yet.
A huge strength of this card is that when you accompany Lightning Bolt, you have basically everything covered.
February 7, 2015 4:25 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #25
Lightning Bolt hits everything with toughness <= 3, Stance hits everything with toughness => 4.
February 7, 2015 4:42 p.m.
What deck(s) do you see really using this? I'm totally not sold on it at all. Where does the flexibility actually matter?
February 7, 2015 5:02 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #27
Jay Stance has the best home in Geist and White Weenie decks, but is also pretty good in control decks when you don't have a counter for a Rhino, and good in midrange for the mirror.
February 7, 2015 5:06 p.m.
I see it somewhat in the Geist-based WU tempo, but that's like tier 2 and already runs Path, counterspells, in some cases protection instants, and swords. I can't imagine them needing much more, so this would probably be like 2 slots top.
White weenie just doesn't need it, it already has 4x path and Brave the Elements. I think it's unnecessary for the deck, but sure you could slap some on there.
Control, if you mean UWx, already has plenty of counters and more efficient removal. The indestructible is effectively useless in a deck like that, seeing as they have what, 6 creatures? Can't imagine it going in here.
The Midrange mirror has Abrupt Decay, Slaughter Pact, Dismember, path... basically the full removal suite (assuming you mean Abzan). Not to mention hand disruption. The indestructible might save a Rhino from one hit, but it's already tough as hell and the mirror stacks all that removal I listed.
At best, I see this as a 2-of in some tier 2 lists. Hardly revolutionary.
Just my 2cents.
Seraphicate says... #2
Keep it to yourself, if people start using it, it will get banned ._.
February 7, 2015 3:12 a.m.