What would be your top 3 picks for Modern unbans?
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Posted on Nov. 28, 2014, 8:04 p.m. by forestlore44
Mine are: 1. Bloodbraid Elf
What's your picks?
ChiefBell Hypergenesis was banned because of cascade and Violent Outburst. You can turn 1 it off of 2 Simian Spirit Guide which won't happen often but it will. It's like Living End that results in turn 1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Urabrask the Hidden swinging for lethal. Not ever coming off the list. My picks are #1 GGT which isn't all that much better than Stinkweed Imp, a card only played in Dredgevine. #2 is Sword of the Meek which provides a strong but perhaps not overly degenerate combo, but I don't really have a lot of experience with it. #3 is Preordain which was banned because it made Storm too powerful, a deck that isn't great right now. It would also help out control decks but not aggro decks, unlike Treasure Cruise. Also it could drive down the price of f@*%&# Serum Visions to under $8 a card. It was a common, for chrissakes.
December 3, 2014 9:44 p.m.
I can actually almost get behind unbanning Serum Visions now...
December 3, 2014 11:01 p.m.
@vishnarg: Do you mean Ancestral Vision?
Wow, just realized why I keep spelling AV as Vision"s." That always throws me off.
December 3, 2014 11:38 p.m.
Tacticsninja16782 says... #5
Jace, the Mind Sculptor, grave troll, and it isn't banned but I want them to reprint dark rit so that it is modern legal, though they would ban it.
December 5, 2014 8:48 a.m.
December 5, 2014 9:23 a.m.
jandrobard says... #7
1: Golgari Grave-Troll. I understand the potential in the right meta but if they keep TC it will be fine for a while.
2: Second Sunrise. EGGS. It may have been durdley and unfun, but SO COOL!
3: Sword of the Meek. Not as OP as, say, Birthing Pod. It'll spike in usage, then people will realize that it's dumb.
December 5, 2014 9:21 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #8
Dark Ritual in modern would be awesome. I don't think it would enable too much in modern. T2 Liliana of the Veil is the obvious given. Smallpox & Trinisphere may be realistically playable. Neither of these would meta shift too much (like zero meta shift) & the card is a horrible late draw.
T3 Gray Merchant of Asphodel with what a Bloodghast & maybe Gravecrawler in play? Okay maybe it'll pack a punch but it's not game over Dash Hopes is obviously a thing and Monastery Swiftspear ups the damage count to 9 on T2 all the time so not broken.
I'm not a combo player & I'm sure it'll enable some ridiculous legacy combo or something??? some one make an argument for the card as to why it shouldn't be modern legal, I'm genuinely curious.
December 5, 2014 11:29 p.m.
Yeah if Dark Ritual was legal I know for a fact this is how my first turn will be forever.... Fetch, crack, shock, ritual, and then play arguably the best planeswalker in modern with Liliana,+1, and make lives miserable from there.
December 6, 2014 11:01 a.m.
Dark ritual would be broken almost instantly. Would not work.
December 6, 2014 1:38 p.m.
Yeah, with Dark Ritual you could play t1 Lili, Hypnotic Specter, Geralf's Messenger, Vampire Nighthawk, Underworld Connections, Phyrexian Arena, Underworld Dreams, etc. Any of those would be a ridiculous play. Not to even mention the various combos that would be enabled. It would completely wreck the format. Every single deck would be black.
December 6, 2014 1:55 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #13
I meant T1, I come from the era of T2 Lillys so it's habit lol.
T1 Lilly is gonna do what? Raven's Crime a card out of the opponents hand? Sac a 2/1?
December 6, 2014 2:12 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ coming from an 8 rack player: I will take a T1 Liliana every day of the week because it lets me run an even more proactive strategy to the point where I can realistically get a board lockdown with Ensnaring Bridge T3 since there's little chance my hand isn't empty by then. I'd run less kill spells for te rituals but at that point I wouldn't need them anyways. Since by T2 or 3 I could probably have total control of the game with very little chance of them wiggling out of it. And that's just with a Tier 2 deck. I shudder at how it would bolster jund.
December 6, 2014 2:31 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #15
Im not arguing that a T1 Lilly is good. That's obvious. I'm just saying it's no more back breaking to the format than a card that lets u draw 3 cards for 1 mana.
T2 Lillys dominated before Deathrite Shaman was banned, so I'm sure whoever said black decks is all we'd see is right on that note.
December 6, 2014 3:22 p.m.
t2 Phyrexian Obliterator? Tell me that isn't overpowered.
December 6, 2014 4:41 p.m.
You don't play Dark Ritual in anything but combo anymore. It would be stupid in Modern because of Ad Nauseam.
Swamp -> Dark Ritual -> Dark Ritual -> Draw most of my deck -> Simian Spirit Guide / Mox Opal / whatever free mana -> Grapeshot -> kill you.
Forget about turn one Liliana of the Veils or Vampire Nighthawks. Just go for the turn one and turn two kills. Not that hard to do in a format without Force of Will.
No Dark Ritual reprints, please. Unless we can also get Swords to Plowshares, Force of Will, Counterspell, Wasteland, Stifle, etc. reprinted along with it.
December 6, 2014 6:21 p.m.
Apple, the difference between a turn 1 Lili and a turn 2 lili are massive. Even then a 1 mana generate 3 would break combo decks so hard.
So, for me, the ban tweaks i wanna see are.
Dark Depths in, Hexmage out. Hexmage does nothing for the format, where as Depths would enable a deck that is interesting without being too powerful. It can threaten a turn 4 kill, but anything like Path to Exile, Repeal, a bounce spell in general, a sac effect and it dies.
Sword of the Meek unbanned. It would provide control decks an alternative way to play. For example a tezzerator style control deck.
Golgari Grave-Troll and Dread Return. So. Troll and Dread Return are powerful enough cards, but in modern they will be weaker. Dread Return is best with cards like Cabal Therapy and Ichorid where you get free bodies, which modern lacks.
December 6, 2014 6:34 p.m.
@LeaPlath: Between Life from the Loam and Crucible of Worlds, Dark Depths is too consistent and repeatable. Thespian's Stage is still Modern legal, which means the opponent could make the token every other turn, which is just too strong for the format.
December 6, 2014 8 p.m.
Tacticsninja16782 says... #21
@vishnarg, a lot of things, where do you want me to start? And just because I like you,
Joking101 says... #1
I just wanna say, there is some discussion about Seething Song being unbanned. Anyone who has played storm knows that this is a really bad idea. Just because storm has died out doesn't mean it couldn't resurface as a powerful deck. With cards like Pyretic Ritual, typically it's 1 for 3, (goblin electromancer) or 2 for 6 (pyromances ascension).
Seething Song is 2 for 5 or 3 for 10. Those are massive mana jumps. The thing storm lacks is consistency and speed. It's good, but just not quite fast enough or consistent enough. Seething Song does both. It accelerates the deck significantly, and provides a huge mana pool to drain from. Seething Song should stay banned.
I've never played with Sword of the Meek, but I'm not sure if it should be unbanned. The combo isn't so good early game, but it's broken once it gets going. It's hard to escape an overwhelming force of even 5 thopters. Delaying isn't that hard for most decks, and the thopter deck would be even better at it. Just counter your way to turn 5 and start mass creating a token army that only gets larger. Seems kinda busted to me.
To reiterate what someone else said, we don't need two Ancestral Recall in this format. We have 1, and its debatably doing fine and isn't in need of a ban. Imagine a world where we could run 8x goyf in the form of a reprint. One set of 4 isn't broken, but 8 almost certainly is. I also believe there's one more point worth noting. Ancestral Vision costs one mana. Treasure Cruise costs eight. I know what you're thinking, TC truly is only cast for one. And while that is true, it requires a card investment, a thinking process, is vulnerable to graveyard hate and is completely blown out if countered. Countering ancestral vision is like pretending they didn't play anything T1. I'm pretty sure that's a drastic difference.
As for Golgari Grave-Troll, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be broken, but I never played in an time when this card was legal. I do believe that Dread Return should stay banned. It would create a new deck based around it and I'm pretty sure the deck wouldn't be healthy for the meta.
Just my thoughts.
December 1, 2014 11:01 a.m.