White n black modern
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Posted on March 23, 2015, 3:45 p.m. by IndepenentMeta
What's the meta for white and black inn modern. And anyone still have my build for it?
GlistenerAgent says... #3
Why would anyone have your build for it?
White and black are (probably) the two weakest standalone colors in Modern. You've got discard spells, Path to Exile, Liliana of the Veil, Dark Confidant and that's mostly it. They need other colors to supplement them to be really powerful decks. I do not count (while others may) BW Tokens as really powerful. RUG colors are where it's at.
That said, the best deck in the format is Abzan, which contains both of those colors along with green for good creatures. Burn plays white for Boros Charm and others, and beyond that you're getting into strictly unplayable decks.
March 23, 2015 3:49 p.m.
Have you read this? Modern Format Primer - Banlist Update (19/1/2015)?
March 23, 2015 3:51 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #5
There are two popular white black decks
One is tokens
One is a midrange build modled after the legacy deck "dead guy ale" which is a grindy and slow deck. Lot's of discard and kill spells with resilient creatures
March 23, 2015 3:58 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #6
B/W Tokens is a decent tier 2 deck, and Aristocrats is an ok tier 3 list. Besides that, you have a whole bunch of Abzan decks that use B/W cards to win games.
If you are asking about specific cards, there are way too many to list. I'd simply check out this site to find some format staples.
March 23, 2015 3:59 p.m.
B/w tokens is often that of as too "fair" of a deck, and there is a lot of truth to the statement. But if built and piloted properly it can hold its own against tier 1 decks. It should also be pointed out that tokens has a good matchup against the most popular deck in the format, abzan.
March 23, 2015 4:12 p.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #8
BW tokens did sort of well on pt frf and it has a good matchup against fair decks like Junk and others that are popular right now. I have a list on my profile and stanislav cifka has a current list from the pt and craig wescoe has one thats a little more dated. If you do use cifka's list dont play bitterblossom b/c they are expensive and bad.
March 23, 2015 5:34 p.m.
No it doesn't do well against Junk. It's utterly annihilated by Maelstrom Pulse, Damnation, Drown in Sorrow, Abrupt Decay (targeting anthems) and most other X-for-1 cards. These all very common sideboard choices. It would do well against little kid Junk though.
March 23, 2015 5:38 p.m.
For reference: I've only lost a best-of-3 against tokens one time and it was a weird Esper list I'd never ever seen before in my life. They won with Geist of Saint Traft haha.
March 23, 2015 5:40 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #11
ChiefBell, it's best matchup is Abzan. Tokens wins the Lingering Souls fight really easily, has plentiful answers in the form of discard and removal to the smallish creature set the Abzan deck has, and in general your one-for-one removal save for Abrupt Decay on enchantments isn't really doing anything. There are certainly sideboard cards, but regardless it's hard for Abzan to beat a Vault of the Archangel and Windbrisk Heights and Lingering Souls and Bitterblossom.
March 23, 2015 5:41 p.m.
Ok, I've still literally never lost a best of 3 to BW tokens.
March 23, 2015 5:44 p.m.
I'll take that as a challenge. Want to duel on untap.in sometime with my token deck vs your abzan deck chief?
March 23, 2015 5:50 p.m.
xzzane - happy to do that at some point.
VampireArmy - when it comes to playing magic I tend to trust myself piloting the deck I know I've worked at for years, over a vast majority of other people who normally look at it from across the table.
March 23, 2015 5:55 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #17
The same could be said about this opposing deck so it's moot point
March 23, 2015 5:57 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #18
That all being said, seige rhino makes life hell for Any deck hoping to win via tokens
March 23, 2015 6:02 p.m.
Well I'm not too sure that GlistenerAgent has spent ages playing BW tokens against Abzan which is why I made the comment. I'd be surprised because neither of those are his standard decks. Right? I mean if xzzane had made the comment then I may have been more cautious. I essentially value statements based on how well I THINK the individual knows the deck. It is my BELIEF that Glistener plays mainly infect and scapeshift. Correct if wrong?
Also matchup got a whole lot better with the trampling rhino.
March 23, 2015 6:02 p.m.
I mean no disrespect - we all have our strengths and weaknesses. I can't even begin to speak for control decks, for example.
March 23, 2015 6:04 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #21
Understandable. Just trying to be the fence here so to speak
March 23, 2015 6:06 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #22
It's my experience from watching matches. I don't remember Abzan winning with ease against tokens. However, you may play the matchup differently and your sideboard does have some less common cards that are more powerful in that matchup. Specifically, the second Pulse, Damnation (which is less common now than at the PT) and the Drowns that are often in there.
March 23, 2015 6:17 p.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #24
you can watch stansislav cifka shat upon paul cheon here which shows how tokens beats junk rather than just debating is with mostly baseless arguments.
March 23, 2015 6:45 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #25
What's the bosses name from RTR in BW? Im having a hard time finding him but if u have 30 life and the have less than 10 he gains flying and 4/4
March 23, 2015 6:54 p.m.
No problem, but I would advise against using him though.
March 23, 2015 7:01 p.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #29
5 mana cards must actually win the game. Celestial Colonnade, Keranos, God of Storms and even then its mostly in control.
March 23, 2015 7:06 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #31
23-03-15-Jxg-uw-aggro
Here's my build but blood baron viskopa might go out
March 23, 2015 7:35 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #32
Is there Nything that minuses N oppenet Nd gains me life.. I saw like 1-2 cards wherein kinda sounded like they were suppose to do that
March 23, 2015 7:43 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #33
Link for the lazy UW aggro
Also this list isn't really a token deck at all, your only way of making tokens is Lingering Souls
As for cards that make your opponent lose life and you gain life, are you looking for small-scale cards like Syphon Soul or large scale cards like Exsanguinate?
March 23, 2015 7:51 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #34
Just got to see the first round then they went way off camra...
March 23, 2015 8:17 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #37
There is next to nothing that is a big life swing and also at instant speed.
Also if you want hilarious looking casual cards, Sorin's Vengeance is pretty fun.
March 23, 2015 9:55 p.m.
Gotta go for one of my all-time favorite casual cards. Debt to the Deathless
March 23, 2015 9:57 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #39
Dn one of u look at my deck and tell me what. It's missing
March 23, 2015 10:27 p.m.
If you want help with a b/w token deck, I can certainly assist you in making one. But in order to have a b/w token deck you actually need to have tokens. It's shocking, I know.
March 24, 2015 3:58 a.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #42
Meh, I think I kind-of prefer Deadguy Ale (aka, 
Midrange) to the tokens strategy... I'd be fine playing just Lingering Souls and removing the anthems. That's just my play-style, tho. And that's from a guy who owns a tokens deck in paper.
March 24, 2015 9:02 a.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #43
Yeah I have some tokens but it's not entirely a token deck more like midrange or something.
March 24, 2015 12:44 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #45
Currently your deck is B/W Goodstuff. It doesn't really have much of a dedicated theme for any one archetype.
March 24, 2015 1:26 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #47
So yeah there's this other build I made with Windbrisk HeightsAs a way to cheat giants. Idk I need more discard spells anybody god any good ones
March 24, 2015 6:40 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #49
Yeah i could prolly use some of those. But I'm looking for another way to ditch the monsters from my hand
ChiefBell says... #2
Do you mean:
'Which decks that are popular in the modern meta include white and back?'
'Which decks that are popular in the modern meta include only white and black?'
'Which white or black cards are most popular in the modern meta?'
March 23, 2015 3:48 p.m.