Pioneer Lands Data Base w/Zendikar Rising updates
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Posted on Oct. 26, 2020, 11:33 p.m. by eyes2sky
What's the feeling about the latest flip dual lands?
Essential, or overrated?
I haven't played with them yet.
October 27, 2020 2:37 a.m.
In Standard any two color deck will call them essential as the options for mana fixing are limited to trinomes and fable passage. In other formats that have a much wider selection I'd say they aren't used as there are just better dual lands. Unless there was a way to flip the land while on the battlefield the flip lands still only provide one color once played.
October 27, 2020 8:16 a.m.
Thanks for that.
Do you know what is thought about using them in Pioneer?
October 27, 2020 9:10 a.m.
I haven't seen much of the meta but I'd say you could use them if you have a splash of another color or at least don't have double colors in your costs. Anything further than a splash of a color I'd say you'd run into trouble.
October 27, 2020 9:45 a.m.
In my head substituting them for basic lands has got to be better, for the most part.
Basic lands can't be tapped for more than one colour anyway, and it might help prevent colour screw in the early part of the game.
I've ordered a set for my Orzhov Control deck, and will try them to see how they go.
October 29, 2020 11:17 p.m.
Oh gosh yeah if you are trying to replace basics just about everything is an upgrade. I thought you were talking about the first dual land to run. I think that slot is still filled with the shock lands. It all depends on the deck and what the mana base requires.
I'd say, for instance, a deck that is trying to get say landfall triggers with any sort of land fetches (Fabled Passage, any search card) these primarily get basics so changing them out for flip lands might actually be a downgrade but this is a rare example.
Another obvious example are mono colored decks where you just don't need the fixing.
Typically I only try to run a couple of basics maybe 2 or 3 of each but then again it depends what the deck needs, the meta (Assassin's Trophy, Path to Exile, Etc). If you have like a 3 color deck and a ton of basics this obviously wouldn't work very well. I even have some decks where I have no basics. But I'd say only run a couple.
October 30, 2020 8:26 a.m.
There is another type of card they wouldn't be so good with, and that is Knight of the White Orchid
Although you would probably still have lots of search options for a deck with the Plains type, in Pioneer.
I didn't know Path to Exile was legal in Pioneer. It would fit my deck beautifully.
November 1, 2020 12:55 a.m.
I'm not talking pioneer when I referenced Path I was talking generally with mana base and deck building. It all depends. The Knight you linked is really best in a mono colored deck due to the double white on turn 2 required which I elaborated is best without dual lands but can work as the plains typing show up on a few dual lands.
November 2, 2020 8:37 a.m.
Oh sorry. I thought this topic was about Pioneer.
We've had no problem with getting Knight of the White Orchid out on Turn 2, with a Selesnya deck. Been playing the deck first as Standard, then Frontier, now Pioneer.
If we don't have the colours for the Knight, we just play Sylvan Advocate instead.
There are other reasons we need Plains and Forests in the deck, like Show Lands.
Anyway, thanks for your help.
November 2, 2020 10 a.m.
freddy3334 says... #12
I'm not talking pioneer when I referred to Path I was talking by and large with mana base and deck building. Everything depends. The Knight you connected is truly best in a mono hued deck because of the twofold white on turn 2 required which I expounded is best without double grounds however can function as the fields composing appear on a couple of double terrains.
November 9, 2020 10:34 p.m.
Any reason you took my comment and paraphrased it freddy3334? That was strange.
Argy says... #2
Cheers for this.
October 27, 2020 2:36 a.m.