Just Chatting - Take 3
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Posted on April 24, 2015, 4:02 p.m. by Didgeridooda
Third time's a charm.
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How fucking long did that fucking take to fucking write?
May 24, 2015 7:51 a.m.
I customized my hover effect because css selectors are fun. Done with that annoying blue line.
May 24, 2015 8 a.m.
Scorprix - About 5 minutes?
Sorry my brain works weirdly. I have this ridiculous ability to formulate arguments and points almost idly without thinking.
May 24, 2015 8:12 a.m.
U MAD BRUH?
That would have taken me like 30 whole minutes.
May 24, 2015 8:19 a.m.
NoPantsParade says... #7
While we're on health care, ChiefBell, I'm interested in studying pharmacy in college. I was talking with a guy last night while working who studied abroad for political science and international (?) law over in England. He recommended studying abroad if I had the chance, especially in England, so I'm going to look into it. He recommended the University of Manchester for pharmacy although he didn't know too much about it. Any input on the matter?
May 24, 2015 8:52 a.m.
English undergraduate degrees are generally considered better than American, whilst english postgraduate is generally considered worse.
here is a league table for universities that offer pharmacology / pharmacy.
here is a league table for universities overall.
Compare and contrast.
Nottingham or Manchester would be my recommendations.
May 24, 2015 9:02 a.m. Edited.
VampireArmy says... #10
The main argument I've heard for not going socialist with our healthcare (among other programs) is either it goes against the free Market spirit of our country or it's not viable due to the way our System is set up
May 24, 2015 10:09 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #11
The thing that people always ignore when comparing European countries to 'Murica is that most Western European countries are basically almost the size of New England. What can work in a smaller, less populated area doesn't necessarily translate well to larger ones, especially with how spread out 'Merica is.
May 24, 2015 10:14 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #12
Ah yeah and that's the other one. I tend to agree with that one.
May 24, 2015 10:18 a.m.
Not necessarily, but not impossible. Large groups of people suffer from the same kind of afflictions as smaller groups of people. There's no reason that American people would suffer from weirder diseases and thus there's no reason that the kind of economics would be different. So if the economics holds, then the economics holds. Not to mention US corporation tax is actually more vast than European corporation tax so you guys essentially have more spending power!
Also worth noting that actually countries such as Germany have about 1/3 of the population. A large difference but not a crazy difference.
May 24, 2015 10:20 a.m. Edited.
VampireArmy says... #14
We would if corporations didn't constantly find ways to not pay those taxes
May 24, 2015 10:22 a.m.
But that's the same in the UK too! haha.
People talk as if we are comparing chalk and cheese (thats an english expression for two very different things), but it seems that the situation is similar.
It's certainly worth a try. You could start with a subsidised system where it's not 100% covered like it is in the UK but the government covers like 50% and the client covers 50%. As in, you don't HAVE to go the whole way. Japan does 30/70 client/government. France is 23/77 client/government.
May 24, 2015 10:25 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #16
Dunno. I'm not a math guy. I can tell you that i lose about 125 bucks in tax from ny 500 dollar check man. That's about 20% approx of my check?
May 24, 2015 10:35 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #17
The main issue that is being ignored in this argument as well is that each state has its own government and its own tax regulations (not to mention laws). There are states like Texas where there is no income tax, and then there's Mass where I get wrecked for right around a combined 30% of my income by both state and federal taxes and the roads are still shitty. Also, people in 'Merica view being a politician as a career, which in and of itself is colossal flaw in our system, mostly because they're in it for themselves, not the betterment of the country.
May 24, 2015 10:43 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #18
Oh, we also have this obsession with annihilating the middle class in 'Murica.... which doesn't help at all.
May 24, 2015 10:50 a.m.
Yeh. That is a massive, massive problem with your system. The separation of federal and state law. In this particular instance it's a flaw anyway. In general it can have its good points - makes a lot of sense.
fluffybunnypants - the pinched middle are almost always better off than those that are simply just poor. It's a bit of a non-issue.
May 24, 2015 10:51 a.m.
VampireArmy - That's 25% of your paycheck. Is that 500 a week?
In the UK if you earn less than $20,000 a year you pay absolutely no tax at all. That's equivalent to around $385 a week.
...and we STILL have free healthcare at all.
May 24, 2015 10:55 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #23
Im Just bitter. I've had weeks of getting a lot of hours and still ending up with about 450 of my earned 600 because the taxes roll over me lol.
May 24, 2015 11 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #24
No, it's an issue, because the money is going almost all to the top and the middle class is slowly becoming poor. There are teachers getting $20k a year out here which is actually considered the high end poverty level last I checked.
May 24, 2015 11:01 a.m. Edited.
NoviceMagician says... #25
I get paid under da table because I am not a contributing member of society. >_<
Anywho, I didn't read through the the comments I missed, but what the hell is up with that page long comment by Chief?
May 24, 2015 11:04 a.m.
So then they're poor - not middle class by most standards. Middle class have disposable income, the lower classes don't. If you don't have disposable income you are not middle class.
And essentially the misnomer is that anyone with disposable income is always doing better than anyone who can't afford to eat. Therefore the whole 'oh no the middle class' thing is pathetic, if you're going by the actual definition of middle class. Though UK has different class system. Worth noting.
May 24, 2015 11:05 a.m. Edited.
fluffybunnypants says... #27
My point being that if people have no disposable income, then the economic system crashes. Couple that with the amount of debt we're putting students in by treating them as profit centers and you have the makings of a colossal shitstorm. Especially considering that there's a large group of people who are working and holding down multiple jobs that have to make the decision between eating or seeking medical treatment/being able to get transportation to work/feeding their child. It's an actual problem, I promise.
May 24, 2015 11:14 a.m. Edited.
I'm not really in the mood for an argument right now, I'm on the way to the vet to have my dog of 11 years put to sleep.
I never claimed that the US had the most effective nation wide health care system in the world. We don't. However , we do have the best doctors in the world and that is a fact.
Children's Hospital in Boston is the best hospital in the world for kids newly born to 18 years old. People come from all over the world to that hospital, if they can afford to get here... From Saudi Arabian princes to random families in China, because it can boast the best doctors and success rates.
I don't know why you went off about the ethics of the US health system as I didn't mention them, but again, not in the mood for an argument.
May 24, 2015 11:17 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #29
Fluffy nails it. I know a LOT of people with that exact dilemma
May 24, 2015 11:18 a.m.
So you chose to ignore the part where I told you that the US does not have particularly noteworthy mortality rates. Cool.
And yeah I get it Fluffy and Vamp but you are referring to poor people, not middle class people. And I totally understand that dilemma - which is why a decent public system is important because you don't have to choose between food and health for example.
May 24, 2015 11:26 a.m. Edited.
fluffybunnypants says... #33
The time to stop the argument was 10 minutes ago. I would recommend leaving it alone and not doing what you always do, just for once.
May 24, 2015 11:30 a.m.
NoviceMagician says... #34
All I know is that U.S. is the reigning world power right now... I think...
:P
May 24, 2015 11:30 a.m.
fluffybunnypants: You know that really pisses me off. When someone replies to a comment and makes a bunch of mistakes or just voices an opinion, but then ends it with 'but I want to end the argument' or 'we should stop' or something similar. Because what you're essentially saying is 'I want to tell you why I think you're wrong but I'm not going to let you respond now'.
May 24, 2015 11:36 a.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #37
Hey uh, much as I enjoy reading angry arguments, can we just not do that today?
May 24, 2015 11:39 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #38
This was some unexpected heavy reading sparked by my bafflement. Could the Americans here explain the irrational hatred of "socialism". It's in quotes because I get the idea that it has become more of a political buzzword and less of an understood concept.
May 24, 2015 11:39 a.m.
That feeling when you break a two week dry spell.
I'm having a good morning to say the least.
May 24, 2015 11:42 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #40
That's good and fine. I was just trying to help you not look like a giant douche. If you would like to carry on because you have to be right and win the internet argument, by all means, proceed.
If you would like to continue our little debate in another form or somewhere else, that's also cool. I often learn a great deal about other people's perspectives from debating and it's something that I welcome.
May 24, 2015 11:43 a.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #41
I swear I'm gonna start singing that after every time I have sex and all my partners are going to hate me
May 24, 2015 11:44 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #42
Do I have to put on my Canada hat... I'm going to have to put on my Canada ha, aren't I?
May 24, 2015 11:45 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #44
For the record I claim to know nothing. I based my opinions on personal observations and those don't mean anything to real debates. Please don't hurt me ;-;
May 24, 2015 11:47 a.m.
Like, if you want to bow out you concede both parts. You say something like 'i've presented my view and I've heard yours but I just don't wish to go on with this' instead of some blaming comment like 'I would recommend leaving it alone and not doing what you always do, just for once', because all that I'm doing is responding to the comments that YOU are giving to me. So you can't like, blame me for responding to the information you're giving..... that's what a conversation or argument is? A back and forth between two people. So to come out with some exasperated comment is really unfair on me because all I'm doing is like, what anyone would do.
Thats how I view the end of an argument. Like I feel you just attacked me for doing exactly what it is that a conversation or argument consists of.
But if you want to move on then I get that.
May 24, 2015 11:48 a.m.
I did. And yes, she hated me.
There's an even better post coitus song... Lemme dig it up.
May 24, 2015 11:49 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #47
@ CanadianShinobi @ ThisIsBullshit
Remember to always blame canada.
May 24, 2015 11:49 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #49
I'm sorry that you feel slighted. Once again, if you would like to continue our debate, that's fine, we can do it elsewhere.
May 24, 2015 11:53 a.m.
NoviceMagician says... #50
I always wanted to go to Canada. I even view it as a potential place to move to after graduating college.
ChiefBell says... #1
A solely public system mainly regulates what the provider can do and not what clients can do. Therefore eugenics is pretty far fetched because its not making judgments about the people using the system, only the people providing the system haha.
elpokitolama - french system is almost identical to Japan system.
May 24, 2015 7:06 a.m.