Just Chatting - Take 3
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Posted on April 24, 2015, 4:02 p.m. by Didgeridooda
Third time's a charm.
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NoviceMagician says... #2
Casual is, and always will be the best format. Just sayin'.
July 22, 2015 12:16 a.m.
Nah, play Standard, the format where white Voltron is viable.
July 22, 2015 12:19 a.m.
I greatly enjoy modern. I find it to be very diverse, and it allows people to play a wide range of tier 2 decks and still have a chance of doing well at a large tournament.
July 22, 2015 12:21 a.m.
Legacy is just poor mans vintage. You play blue against someone who isn't and you win because why aren't you playing blue? Heathens... You play against combo you either 1) have Force of Will and win or 2) don't have Force of Will and lose or rely on Daze and if you where playing vintage you wouldn't have to use Daze. Legacy is full of counter wars, but all the fun blue stuff to make the counter wars interesting is banned. (i.e. Mental Misstep Gush Ancestral Recall)
Git gud and spend more money on your deck then you do on your car or stay with us plebs in modern.
July 22, 2015 12:24 a.m.
HolyFalcon says... #7
Lol scrubs Standard is affordable.
Until rotation.
Which is why I almost have UTron built.
On another note, casual FTW.
July 22, 2015 12:25 a.m.
Comparing Legacy to Modern is like comparing NASCAR to soapbox derbies. Vintage is comparable to those idiots who build those long, skinny, cars with the huge spoilers that go like 200mph in 2.5 seconds and end up flying off the track.
And legacy is in no way poor mans vintage. Legacy is about using the most skill intensive cards available. Vintage is about using broken cards that should never have seen print.
I know there are vintage purists out there who will die believing that it's the way the game was meant to be played, but it's not.
July 22, 2015 12:38 a.m.
NoviceMagician says... #9
People always talk about how expensive Legacy is. I have a $13 legacy zoo that does fairly well. Ofcourse it sucks balls competitively, but it is a fine deck when playing with friends.
Casual doh, all archetypes are viable in it 6tennis.
July 22, 2015 12:40 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #10
U Tron is my wife's deck, really a fun deck to play.
Dies to burn and infect but is stellar v.s. twin.
Though Monastery Siege is getting some testing, 1 main and 2 side. That dragon's mode against burn is amazing but the loot is awesome for tron too.
July 22, 2015 12:44 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #13
I kinda prefer the first sentence worded differently and the 'Insults' at the top replacing the 'Adding Fuel to the Fire' section.
E.G.
In the back of your mind they linger like flames...
I just feel like it puts the reader in more anticipation and it is slightly more alliterated.
I would then swap Sentence 2 with sentence 3 and change the ending of Sentence 4 to somwthing relevant to sentence 2...
I don't like Licking in sentence 5, I feel as though it could be a more appropriate word with more powerful and engaging.
Final sentence is sweet.
July 22, 2015 8:52 a.m.
Would look for more colourful vocabulary regarding flames. The word flames is used a few times and you could mix it up. Embers, is a possibility.
July 22, 2015 8:55 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #15
Insults
In the back of your mind they linger.
Dull flames that are perceived as harmless and feeble.
Usually lacking complexity amd structure.
Yet, when spoken aloud, Said flames become Harmful and __
'licking' the air, catching, spreading like wildfire into the minds of others.
Where they smolder...
Rough draft but yeah you get the picture..
Anyway I'm off to sleep.
July 22, 2015 8:58 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #16
Meh. I'm very picky about poetry.
I don't know that "flames" really cooperates with "feeble" or "harmless." I know that's part of the image, but I don't perceive that line the way I think you meant for it to be perceived.
I'm also not a fan of things like "usually" and "that are" in poems. Try going a little further with the metaphor rather than the simile.
July 22, 2015 8:59 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #17
And yeah chief is right on that one...
Epoch is the person to ask, I think I heard he is majored in English or something...
Nvm Epoch ninja'd me.
July 22, 2015 8:59 a.m. Edited.
bijschjdbcd says... #18
...And to continue further...
Insults aren't really Feeblw or Harmless...
July 22, 2015 9:02 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #19
I did major in English, but as a technical writer. I do very little with literature; that's the field of two of my dearest friends.
July 22, 2015 9:05 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #20
Yeah well, You are more qualified than I.
I hardly think Year 11 English even comes, Especially with my teacher.
July 22, 2015 9:08 a.m.
I dislike overt simile in poetry and prefer delicate metaphors. I think using the image of fire is tricky because you pigeon hole yourself into something that is seen as overtly threatening.
July 22, 2015 9:11 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #22
Basically that. Simile is very useful in conversational settings, but when you're writing you want powerful images and messages, and simile is weak at that unless used precisely and expertly. Metaphor creates a more convincing and powerful image in most cases.
July 22, 2015 9:20 a.m.
My brother used to write a lot of poetry. Now he mainly writes stories though. Cipher001, care to take a look? Page before this.
July 22, 2015 10:26 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #24
We reached over 200 pages and no one has complained about lag. This seems acceptable to me. Also, good morning peasants.
July 22, 2015 10:42 a.m.
HolyFalcon says... #27
So glad I picked up my Hangarback Walkers before they spiked to 7.
July 22, 2015 11:37 a.m.
Where the hell do they fit though? I mean sure you could try and tune that UW artifact control list but that doesn't seem like the right home for em.
July 22, 2015 11:46 a.m.
HolyFalcon says... #30
lol idk and idc because I have 3 for my UR Artifacts list.
July 22, 2015 11:54 a.m.
Blue White artifact control made the top eight last weekend. Hangarback Walker was a 4 of in the list.
July 22, 2015 12:02 p.m. Edited.
GlistenerAgent says... #32
Question for all of you. Serious shit about to go down.
Yesterday a friend of mine (who I've known for about a month) told me that he smokes cigarettes, about 2-3 a day. He says that he started smoking as a way of managing the stress that comes with studying for AP exams, doing poorly in school, etc. I have a very, very strong opinion on smoking and alcohol consumption, and I tried to explain to him that smoking is morally incorrect. Even if you don't think it is, please bear with me.
I explained to him that even though he may do it on his own and avoid hurting others through secondhand smoke, he's still hurting the people he hasn't met yet and will grow to cherish. My cousin found out a couple of years ago that his dad had lung cancer, and it destroyed him. I would hate to see the same happen to another person.
I have known this kid for a month, and it is most likely that I will never see him again after August 10th. Today I stole his phone and texted his mother that he smokes (unfortunately he managed to play it down). Am I going to far?
To those who will answer, "It's his life, you don't need to get so involved because if you can't do anything, you can't do anything.": It's not so much about the person. That course of action just isn't good enough for me, because knowing that I could stop it and didn't makes me feel really guilty.
tl;dr: Very new friend smokes cigarettes, I probably won't see him ever again by next month, what should I do?
If I'm being really incoherent, please let me know and I can try to explain. Alternatively, feel free not to care.
July 22, 2015 12:47 p.m.
Tricky question, and I understand where you are coming from as i've also had multiple close relatives die from lung cancer.
However, yes, taking his phone and texting his mother about it was going too far. You cannot force someone to follow your ideals, that itself is also morally wrong. The best you can do is present to him your opinion, give him facts, and explain that he is being selfish as his life concerns more than just him. After that, it is his decision to make, regardless of how it makes you feel or how it might affect his loved ones / people who love him down the road.
To be frank, you yourself are also being selfish as you are acting this way to relieve the guilt you feel, instead of accepting the fact that he is a human being with his own decisions to make in life, whether they be good or bad ones.
You are also acting under the assumption that he doesn't know all of this already. Most smokers know that they are hurting themselves, and others, and just don't care. The mindset is that they will deal with the consequences later, or that it won't be their problem for long as they won't be there. Again, it's a selfish mindset, but it's not your right to interfere.
July 22, 2015 1:11 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #34
So, this is coming from someone whose entire family has been smokers at some point in their life and whose grandmother's partner died of cancer about five years ago:
Yes, it is their choice to smoke and they should be allowed to make that decision, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. It is also the choice of everyone else to decide how they feel about it, not yours. Even if everyone else does feel the same in the end, you need to allow them to come to this on their own. Now, you can urge your friend to seek help with kicking the addiction, certainly. You can also ask that he talk to the rest of his family about it. But, he is his own person and you can't make the decision for him, or, as short lived as it may has been already, it will end your friendship with him and then you won't be able to help him at all.
I hope this helps you. Good luck.
July 22, 2015 1:15 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #35
But if I know that it's an objectively bad decision, isn't it morally wrong to not stop him? I'm not sure, but I think it is.
I confirmed that he doesn't know all of this already. He made many ignorant comments like "I don't care how long I live" and "I won't get married or have kids" as if those are things anyone is capable of deciding at his age.
Thanks for both of your help.
July 22, 2015 1:18 p.m. Edited.
Epochalyptik says... #36
"Smoking is morally wrong"
You better have a good explanation for that one.
Actions that someone takes regarding his or her own body and that do not cause danger or harm to others are not beholden to anyone else's standards of morality. Your friend's smoking is a solely self-affecting act insofar as it does not cause physical or immediate danger to others. While it would be considerate of your friend to evaluate the impact his or her decision might have on others emotionally, he is under no obligation to change that behavior just to suit you or anyone else.
You have no right to interfere with his affairs. You have no right to impose your "moral" system onto him. You may offer your advice as a friend and make a case for a different perspective, but respect his autonomy.
July 22, 2015 1:20 p.m.
The blunt answer is, is that he's being an idiot as teenagers tend to be. And your moral obligation, if you feel he is a friend, is to get him informed. It is not morally correct to force him to do anything though, regardless of how bad of a decision it is.
"I know what's best and i'm going to force everyone to do what I'm telling them to do." That is your current mindset, and is also the mindset most dictators have held throughout history as well.
July 22, 2015 1:25 p.m. Edited.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #38
I'd say it is against your morals to not help him. There's a difference there, in that, for one thing, everyone's morals are different, so morally wrong is a thing that is hard to determine. It is also against many people's morals to stop someone from being able to make decisions themselves.
As for the second part, even if he is young, I'd say that he could make the decision that, as of right now, he does not care how long he lives and that he does not want to get married and have children. Again, he is allowed to make that decision for himself.
July 22, 2015 1:25 p.m.
filledelanuit says... #39
GlistenerAgent I believe that stealing his phone was going too far you would have been within your rights to talk to his parents.
I have had friends who started smoking and/or drinking and I counsel them not to do it but I have no control over their actions. I don't agree that smoking is morally incorrect rather I believe that it's stupid. With friends that smoke or drink, I explain to them he consequences of their actions. I volunteer at a local teen court and drinking and smoking are two of the most common offenses we see. People, especially teens, are unable to grasp the consequences of their actions.
I would explain to him why it is bad for him (legally it isn't really at all but for his health) but in the end he has to make his own choice and you can't force him. However, if you care for him then you have no reason not to try to get him to stop smoking/drinking.
July 22, 2015 1:26 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #40
I saw Hangarback Walkers in Standard Mono-Red. It was working too...
EDIT: Not sure why this didn't post, but meant to go an hour and a half ago or so... Now it's awkwardly placed, sorry about that hah.
July 22, 2015 1:27 p.m. Edited.
You could point him towards getting a vaporizer (fancy electronic cig). As far as current science is concerned, those are not bad for your lungs. The nicotine is in a glucose base (I think), and you are inhaling water vapor as the vehicle. I have multiple friends who have switched to those, and my LGS owner allows them in the shop as they aren't harming anyone with second hand smoke.
July 22, 2015 1:29 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #42
This is good. Hangarback Walker. Let's do that instead. All this moral conversation is making me real tired.
Thank you, though. I'll need to apologize to my friend.
EDIT: I believe he used vapes before cigarettes.
July 22, 2015 1:31 p.m. Edited.
filledelanuit says... #43
kyuuri117 that is a quite reasonable suggestion. While some scientists believe that some of the chemicals in them could cause lung irration most agree that it isn't a likely problem. Also they are way cheaper. You can also get non-nicotine based vaps which reduce addiction.
July 22, 2015 1:32 p.m.
No idea how I had $32 dollars of store credit on SCG.com, as the only thing i'd bought from them recently was preordering nissa's, but I found a german vampiric tutor for $24.50, light play, on their site and decided to use the credit. Guess it just hadn't been updated to current prices. Can't complain about a free german vamp tutor though.
July 22, 2015 2:37 p.m.
elpokitolama says... #45
Aaaaalllriiiiiiight guyz and galz, tomorrow I'll be heading to Toulouse to compete in a MTG european tournament... Wish me luck! :'D
FNM results weren't that fantastic so I'll do my best to do a top 32, but no more is to be expected (that would already be pretty nice, thought).
Let's just hope that I'll only play against G/R Tron. And Affinity too.
BUT NEVER AGAIN THAT LANTERN TOP CONTROL NONSENSE
July 22, 2015 3:02 p.m. Edited.
GoldGhost012 says... #46
Good luck elpokitolama. I'm expecting a Top 8 from you.
Also, please tell me you added sideboard card(s) for that Lantern Control matchup. I would laugh so hard.
July 22, 2015 3:06 p.m.
Friends don't let friends play Lantern of Insight control.
This has been a PSA funded by Modern Players Anonymous
July 22, 2015 3:09 p.m.
elpokitolama says... #48
Man, my sideboard is fucking MADE to beat this crap. x)
Stony Silence, Suppression Field, Disenchant, Pithing Needle, Rest in Peace and Mirran Crusader to dodge decays. I only did one game against that fridgin' deck, (1-2) but I died to a stupid spellbomb combo with academy ruins (2 damages per turn) and actually got milled to death on the last one. TT-TT
July 22, 2015 3:11 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #50
elpokitolama, whatcha playin'? Twin? D&T? lookatmyannoyingprofilepage.dec?
bijschjdbcd says... #1
I still enjoy Modern a lot, Especially the UWR Control deck at my store, Blast to play against.
July 22, 2015 12:09 a.m.