Just Chatting - Take 3
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Posted on April 24, 2015, 4:02 p.m. by Didgeridooda
Third time's a charm.
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ThriftsAndTrinkets says... #3
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November 23, 2016 3:41 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #6
Happy fucked-up-english-settlers-stole-native-land day!
November 24, 2016 1:25 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #8
Thank you america for the whole native-people thing so we europeans can get -20% off clothes and electronic devices.
November 25, 2016 5:32 a.m.
But anyways, happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Hope you have today off.
November 25, 2016 7:44 a.m. Edited.
EpicFreddi says... #11
The whole thanksgiving thing seems to me pretty horrible. I'll draw a pretty nasty parallel here, but: Given that 100 million (?) people were killed, isn't celebrating this event like celebrating the holocaust for germans? You only don't celebrate that because hitler lost the war (thank the gods for that), thus it is showed as a bad event.
Just my thoughts on it, I don't wish to have a wild discussion.
November 25, 2016 9:48 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #12
It's more the equivalent to the founding of Germany than the rise of Hitler, there were plenty of years where Germany was good but had a spell where they let an asshole take charge.
Similarly, English settlers were decent at first, it's not like they came ashore and killed everyone in sight, it built up to that.
To quote Mitch Hedburg: "that's like turning down wine because you are going to get a hangover, the first and the middle parts are amazing. 'Hey Mitch, you want an apple?' 'No because eventually it will be a core!'"
November 25, 2016 9:55 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #13
Well, my question wasn't as much about the rise of hitler, but more about celebrating a horrible event.
Thanksgiving is good because the settlers won, even though it celebrates a genocide (I hope that's the right word).
November 25, 2016 9:58 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #14
Also, fun fact, the unpublished mien kampf 2 revealed that Hitler didn't want to ever provoke the Americans because he believed that he could convince us that what he was doing was right due to our treatment of the natives (reservations, mass killings, etc) even though we had mostly grown out of that as a nation.
November 25, 2016 10:03 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #15
Seemed like a good plan to me in his position. You amercians are fairly crazy when it comes to stuff like that. :D
November 25, 2016 11:40 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #16
Hey now, we aren't that bad.
I DID get pretty discouraged when the media started calling a night club shooting "the worst mass shooting/massacre in the US" and my first thought was "uhhhh, gorram wounded knee? Really???"
November 25, 2016 12:08 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #17
Well yeah, because wounded knee etc. benefited the americans. The shooting hurt them.
It's always like that: The winner gets to write history. He'll always be the hero.
November 26, 2016 3:59 a.m.
SamCre1993 says... #19
Thanksgiving may have its origins mired in controversy but celebrating it doesn't mean you are honoring genocide.
For my family, Thanksgiving has been about being with family, being thankful for our blessings, and eating a f*** ton of turkey. At no point are settlers/Indians/killing mentioned and at no point does my family toast these things.
I'm sure the argument comes that participating in thanksgiving is continuing a tradition based in such things and that American families are being ignorant of what happened. But if the holiday doesn't represent that to us, there is nothing to ignore in the first place.
If people are really pissed about Thanksgiving, then what do y'all think we should do? Abolish it? Move it to the second Wednesday in November and call it happy family rememberance day? (And this is not rhetorical, I'm actually curious if just doing a redo/rename of the holiday would stop the obligatory argument that comes every year).
November 27, 2016 2:56 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #20
This time of the day is the worst. Nothing is happening here because you're all asleep (damn americans) and I'm sitting at work being bored like hell. :(
December 3, 2016 4:41 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #21
'>mfw this thread is so dead it can't even play reanimator
December 5, 2016 9 a.m. Edited.
Ohthenoises says... #22
I've been away from the site a lot lately because all I see is people complaining that twin was banned and people calling for yet again MORE bans. Tired of it.
December 5, 2016 9:14 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #23
Now they want to Gravetroll to be banned again. Moral of the story: People will always complain. :D
Also this looks nice: 
December 5, 2016 9:16 a.m. Edited.
Ohthenoises says... #24
Yeah I know, it's literally driving me away from the site, the ignorance is astounding. Dredge can easily be handled by proper sideboarding but no one wants to so they continue to get run over.
Grave hate is dime a dozen. Leyline, tormods, relic, RIP, and the list goes on.
Modern players as a whole have gotten so gorram lazy. Ever since eggs got banned everyone's answer has been "I'm gonna cry about it till it's banned" instead of "I'm gonna sideboard for that matchup"
Then good decks that could be kept in check with sideboard hate get banned for no goddamn reason.
December 5, 2016 9:27 a.m. Edited.
EpicFreddi says... #25
Bitches be bitchin'. It's easier to complain about something than actually learn from it/change it. I'd be very happy if they'd ban lantern because I really really hate it and I'm too lazy to learn the matchup / don't get a chance to learn it because nearly nobody plays it here. But well, I know complaining in a forum won't help me.
December 5, 2016 9:40 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #26
If you want to know the truth. You can blame the articles that pros like the star city game Team for fostering that kind of attitude. Every time they show case a deck like that, they slip in little phrases like "this card is just too insane here" or "wow this is just unreal." As they asses or play the deck. They're the ones wotc collect data from anyways via tournament results anyways.
December 5, 2016 10:16 a.m.
You may be tired of hearing about it but calling for bans in this enviornment is reasonable. WotC had publiclly stated that Modern is a turn 4 format; this has always been their policy regarding Modern. Currently, this is not true. It is a turn 2.5-3.5 format.
And before it gets argued, just because Jund, Grixis, and Abzan midrange/control exist in the format and do well, does not mean this isn't a turn 2.5-3.5 format. You need opening hands with 2 lands and 5 pieces of interaction to even have a shot against a mediocre aggro players hand, and then you've got to be lucky enough to draw lands and spells in even amounts.
If WotC publiclly comes out and says "hey we like this. Modern can now officially be a turn 3 format" then sure, there's no problem. No bans need to be made. But if WotC is still backing their "modern is a turn 4 format, no exceptions" rule, then the format is broken and bans need to be made.
Just because sideboard exists that shuts dredge down doesn't mean it's acceptable for dredge to exist in the format if it's this fast.
December 5, 2016 11:11 a.m.
Where are you guys seeing these forums? I haven't seen anyone complain about modern on here recently.
December 5, 2016 12:56 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #29
/sigh and this is EXACTLY why I didn't want to talk about it OR get into it in this thread but since we are, here we go.
Modern players need to stop having their hand held. Period. Life isn't handed to you on a silver platter and MTG isn't either. Get. The. Fuck. Over. It.
Hey? Remember when Jund was THE best deck in the format? Remember how little bitching, moaning, whining, and general fuckwittery was had about it until DRS started to make it roughly 30% of the meta? Cause I do. Now-a-days if a deck gets even the tiniest bit overrepresented everyone goes full on SJW retard and starts flaming WotC until they get tired of hearing about it and bans something.
If a deck is "unhealthy" Pack a fucking sideboard to beat it and quit complaining, this goes DOUBLE for the pros. What's unhealthy is the mindset that "Oh I won't bother sideboarding for it, it's just going to get banned anyways." Then when they get rekt they bitch, piss and moan. Then WotC Hears those complaints without the context that they didn't plan for it. It's not dredge's fault people aren't sideboarding for it, dredge is sbing for dredge for christ's sake.
I heard MANY people in that modern thread say EXACTLY that. That's how you get unhealthy metas.
Hey, guess what deck kicked the shit out of a heavy dredge meta? Skred? gee, lets figure out why. Oh, right, it has tons of grave hate. What a freaking co-winky-dink.
Bloom could be sideboarded for, no one did. Eldrazi could have been sideboarded for, no one did. I blame the players and the pros. Modern has devolved into a format where people don't look for creative solutions to hurdles like top tier decks anymore and innovation and creativity is sneered at.
/endrant
December 5, 2016 2:10 p.m.
SamCre1993 says... #30
I actually haven't seen much complaining on the site until your rather negative post.
December 5, 2016 3:06 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #31
It mostly goes on in the modern chat thread, guys.
December 5, 2016 3:09 p.m.
Well, from my perspective, the problem isn't the existence of such threads but the attitude displayed in the posts within the threads themselves. There was just a thread where someone inquired if Thrasios, Triton Hero was ban-worthy in EDH. The conversation was civil despite differing opinions.
Take the last few posts, for example. kyuuri117 responded to statements made about bans in modern in a perfectly agreeable fashion. Ohthenoises then reacted with a post that did very little to address the points brought up by kyuuri117. In addition, the tone of the post made by Ohthenoises is pretty shitty.
December 5, 2016 3:14 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #33
I've simply hit a boiling point about it. I mentioned earlier that I'm tired of it. I was just going to let it go but more had to be said.
Also, the discussions I've been involved in the modern threads in question were anything but civil.
A "discussion" about a card turned into two whole thread pages telling me I'm an idiot and wrong for liking a choice that someone added to their deck that WON the world cup.
Going so far as to say that "even shitty builds can win with good pilots"
Those discussions weren't civil. I WAS having a civil conversation with Epic.
December 5, 2016 3:17 p.m. Edited.
Coinman1863 says... #34
This is the entire reason why I play legacy, to avoid this bullshit that modern deals with all the time.
December 5, 2016 3:22 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #35
You could say our conversation was pretty epic. :D
December 5, 2016 3:24 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #37
Legacy is like the older brother that is watching his younger brother derp around.
December 5, 2016 3:29 p.m.
elpokitolama says... #38
It's a damn great format, but welp, out of my good'n poor manaless dredge I'll never be able to buy a single deck for it...
December 5, 2016 3:32 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #39
This is why I have two prerogatives on this site.
Hunt and exterminate fake accounts
Shit post to my heart's content.
December 5, 2016 3:44 p.m.
Imagine that gods were real and that a governing body existed to oversee their affairs. What would this body involve itself in? What would it consider to be inappropriate? Why?
December 6, 2016 3:20 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #41
Is... Is that a question from your homework or are you asking us for real what we think about a deity that is above gods? Cause I think it would give his godlings jobs (god of death, life, ...) and just watch over them and see that they do there jobs right.
December 6, 2016 3:34 p.m.
This is for me; not related to school. I'm just curious to see what you guys think about the presented situation.
Oh, and I see where you're headed with that line, EpicFreddi, but the questions I posed don't necessitate the existence of a being ranking above gods. The governing body might, for example, be composed of humans or gods. Of course you're free to interpret the question however you want.
December 6, 2016 3:40 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #43
IMO there first needs to be a justification for such a body to exist in the first place. A deity, by nature, are the rulers not the ruled. The only example I can think of is mythologies that had pantheons of Gods where they governed themselves under one "God of Gods" such as Zeus.
December 6, 2016 3:44 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #44
I could see the governing body involving itself in matters of decision making. Ala the tiebreaker/chairmen of the committee.
Inappropriate would probably vary from God to god since most have an alignment. Using Greek gods as an example Zeus would probably be held to not doing evil deeds where Hades would not. It's very hard to say for sure
December 6, 2016 3:53 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #45
As long as every god was created with fixed rules (like previously explained: God of death only cares about death etc.) a governing force would only be needed for fringe cases as a judge. If gods had no rules and were just created as "free beings", you would need a governing force to stop the gods from killing each other and stuff like that. But then again, why would you need gods when you have a force stronger than gods?
December 7, 2016 3:21 a.m.
Something like a year ago, I was doing a metric fuckton of EDH deck help around this site. I stopped because I had issues with my wrist, but I've bounced back since then. I keep wanting to get do it, but every time I open a deck help thread, I get dejected once I realize how little grasp some people have of the game. Of course they're bad or not great, right? Why else would they be looking for help? And I know that before I enter into those threads. The amount of effort involved in leaving proper feedback then discourages me even further and I end up not doing it at all.
This never used to happen. I'd be glad to help other people because they weren't good. Now it just annoys me. What the actual fuck?
December 11, 2016 9:05 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #47
How about taking a look at One Thopter, Two Thopter, Three Thopter, Floor? lol
December 11, 2016 9:16 a.m.
ABadMagicPlayer100 says... #48
I'm working on a Gatherer database API as a hobby programming project. What are all your opinions on un-cards in the database? I have the conundrum of cards like Little Girl messing up my formatting, so I'm curious how often you would search for them so I can determine whether it's important to solve before release one.
December 21, 2016 8:21 p.m.
ItchiUchiha117 says... #49
I've begun playing Force of Will. It's a fun game.
December 22, 2016 4:19 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #50
If it wasn't so fucking kawaii-desu-ne-onii-chan, I'd concider it, but the art burns out my eyes. It's a really good game though.
EpicFreddi says... #1
I'm finally top 10 in the decklord category. I'm internet famous. \0\
November 21, 2016 2:41 p.m.