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Posted on March 31, 2015, 12:57 p.m. by IndepenentMeta
So for the past few months I've been having a lot of troll problems. And trust me it has gotten annoying. The thing is some of us wanna talk bout the topics I post up, and then we have the usual troll users who just get on my threads to post little pictures talk trash and recently even try to insult some of the other users. It is very rude behavior, and I was wondering if from here on I can get an admin to follow my posts. And maybe issue out temp bans for those users who refuse to follow the rules. I honestly don't know what I did to you people but there's nothing I want more than to have good conversations with those willing to talk magic. Thank you in advance
I wasn't being offensive...I'm trying to help. You have to learn what irritates us, much in the same way we have to learn what irritates you.
March 31, 2015 6:26 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #3
IndepenentMeta I don't even think you're a troll now. So, congratulations you have changed my initial interpretation. I think you're either very young and/or incredibly immature and ill-informed.
Look, I can totally respect someone who is thinking out of the box, and is looking to challenge the established thinking of the meta and the game at large. Those are valuable contributions to the site, the community and to the game that we all mutually enjoy. However, in order to challenge that thinking and be a PART of a dialogue, you need to; a> Understand why the established thinking is established in the first place. b> Be able to use facts to support your argument, not just your opinion or your individual observations. Those aren't going to be accepted as evidence to support an argument as they are by nature, subjective. c> Be open to facts countering your argument and be willing to LEARN something.
Look, I happen to agree with you that perceptions of MANY budget "strictly worse" options to format staples are more playable than most people tend to acknowledge because everyone wants their deck to be the absolute best it can be. (And if a forum where economics don't really play a role, that mentality is magnified. "You get a Goyf, and YOU get a Goyf!) Can budget staple alternatives win FNMs? Sure. FNM isn't the competitive scene, but most people aren't going to be playing the Pro Tour, and that fact tends to be hidden in forums like this.
With that said, format staples are "strictly better for a reason", and if you don't understand that reason it is highly more likely that problem is with YOUR understanding, not everyone else's. Wizards provided plenty of backup for their banning of Birthing Pod. There was literally YEARS of data, and the premise that it limited their design space by making it had for them to continue to print better creatures. Those are facts. You can disagree all you want, but the facts of the matter don't change because you say otherwise.
There are a lot of experienced players here, and a lot of them are smarter than you. You shouldn't feel antagonized by that. You should be able to take in their experience and feedback, add your own to the discourse, and become a better player through the dialogue. That's kinda the point of all of this.
March 31, 2015 6:41 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
Without delving deeply into the conversation that has taken place in my absence, this is what I've noticed.
IndepenentMeta, you have a tendency to post badly-worded threads quite often. That alone is sufficient to get a negative reputation in this community. You really don't do yourself any favors by skipping the extra one to five minutes of editing on your posts.
Additionally, you have a tendency to make assertions, some of which are obviously untrue (Gifts Ungiven originally being a sorcery, for example). Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're also the user that claimed that WOTC stole your card ideas. Now, I've seen many different kinds of users in my time on forums. Some people make these claims because they want attention. Some people genuinely believe them. Some people just want to be part of the discussion and don't do their research before jumping in. In your case, many people assume it's the first reason because the other two are almost immediately addressed by presenting factual information contrary to your claims, and you didn't show any reversal of opinion in that situation. For the most part, you tend to reiterate your statements without clarifying them or providing evidence to support them. That you claim to have insider knowledge (from a source you refuse to specify) and that you give the appearance of someone who always knows better than others is not productive, and it's certainly not good for your relationship with the community. If anything, it only makes others assume that you're a troll, a young user, or just generally immature. Those are the three demographics that exhibit this kind of behavior.
In this community, making outrageous claims without backing them up, and holding to obviously or empirically false claims, is one of the quicker ways to draw ridicule. I don't think anyone would claim that this community has all of the answers, but it's futile to assert that you have them if you don't substantiate your claim in some way.
Of course, none of this justifies the way that users have been acting toward you, but it does explain a significant amount of the feedback you get. I've seen various users suggest these ideas to you with varying degrees of sincerity and success, but you'll need to take the advice to heart if you want to become an a member in good standing.
If you experience problems with other users, let me know directly.
March 31, 2015 7 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
Oh, on the subject of grammar:
Don't assume that anyone who points out that your posts are borderline unintelligible is out only to troll you. There are a good number of users here who will take the time to help you learn and grow as a player if you show effort. I won't say that everyone who points this out is sincere about it, but many of them appear to be. If you improve your communication, you'll get the kind of advice you're (presumably) here for.
One of the basic principles of online communication (and really just communication in general) is that you need to make it clear what you expect from others if you want them to put any effort into helping you.
March 31, 2015 7:04 p.m.
Didgeridooda says... #6
Over the last day or 2, he has really improved that part. I have no longer have any trouble reading his posts.
March 31, 2015 7:20 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #7
My god, look how much your posts have changed. When you started posting, it was really a struggle to read, but I'm having no problems whatsoever in this thread. That alone suggests you are putting in more effort than you used to.
I only ask you to listen to others' advice, and try to do it respectfully. (This makes me look like a hypocrite, because I piss off ChiefBell a fair bit. I do it politely and gracefully, though. A polite and graceful failure is better than crashing and buning.)
March 31, 2015 7:50 p.m.
"IndepenentMeta I don't even think you're a troll now. So, congratulations you have changed my initial interpretation. I think you're either very young and/or incredibly immature and ill-informed."
This sums how I guess I could say I feel. Ive done very well of not interacting with him when it wouldve been easy too however a line was crossed...
I know we weren't supposed to bring this type of attitude to the page but I cant help myself. This guy has been obstinate, rude, refuses advice he asks for and spinner of tall tails and now he wants ADMINs to ban people who are giving him a hard time for his (horrible) behavior
Our Admins are nice guys but honestly they gave this thread too much credibility by replying to it.
March 31, 2015 8:27 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #9
I'm In my 30's I have kids that play this game. So I'm not young. I read all the articles on Mtg/scg so I'm not ill informed. And I'm pretty mature if your not acting like a four year old who talks a ton of smack on the forums. If you got that opinion of me then it's no my fault blame some of these kids who love to piss people off on forums
March 31, 2015 8:41 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #11
So are you going to respond to any of the advice, or can I just kill the thread now?
March 31, 2015 8:47 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #12
Really ApocryphalSaint? I'm of the opinion that your mental and emotional disharmony due to IM is laughable and immature. This is an olive branch thread, get with the program.
March 31, 2015 8:50 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 Im very with the program. I am just choosing to ignore it. I stated my opinion. Im done now.
March 31, 2015 8:59 p.m.
Ok...Back to the original topic, are there any specific actions you want to see from the community Independent? We've stated some specific things that we would like you to work on, now are there any specific things that you would like us to work on?
March 31, 2015 9:01 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #15
Let's not a new mudslinging fest, please. This type of behaviour is becoming concerning. We all have committed mistakes throughout this incident. No one is innocent of that.
March 31, 2015 9:01 p.m.
CanadianShinobi I've said all I will say about this particular matter.
And yes we all have
March 31, 2015 9:07 p.m.
quesobueno123 says... #17
Can someone just kill this thread? Despite how many long well written walls of text filled with advice are posted it always ends in personal attacks, something not needed in this community.
March 31, 2015 9:20 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #18
Look everyone is overreacting. I've been a bully as a kid and as an adult so I'm just calling it like I see it. That's the reason for my involvement. I've been seeing this stuff come up on the comment feed.
To the vocal majority: IndepenentMeta is here to teach us about MtG. If you aren't here to be taught there is no reason to interact ;) How many helpless Deck Help and irrelevant Trade threads do you skip over a day? Add one or two more threads and chill. I've never had an argument with him because I don't try to change his opinion. I just state mine and move along. Finally please don't complain about your comment notification turning red, you know you like it.
IndepenentMeta you got to realize that most people one here aren't here to be taught, they're here to help each other build decks. You've got to have some competitive finishes to gain true credibility and be sought out as someone to learn from. This happens in person by playing in one of the competitive tournament circuits and developing relationships. This site is more casual oriented and people aren't here to learn. They have their own ideas, techs, and decks. They help by sharing. Interacting positively in the forums can help you find people of similar skill to test on a 3rd party mtg programs if that's your thing. A good portion of the active user base has kind of cornered you but they're letting you out, roll with it.
March 31, 2015 9:52 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #19
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. It's okay for him to "teach" us Magic, but we can't try to teach him or at least ask him to post more constructively?
March 31, 2015 11:21 p.m.
let the record show that some user feedback has certainly not been "asking him to post more constructively" but in fact has just lapsed into jabs.
April 1, 2015 12:36 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #21
Do I need to break out another of my open letters to the community telling everyone to be nice and open to new people and ideas?
April 1, 2015 12:42 a.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #22
yeaGO I was referring to this particular thread, not any of the other ones.
April 1, 2015 8:34 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #23
This has actually gone too far. I honestly can't blame anyone for not wanting to view IndepenentMeta's posts. They are bad in just about every sense of the word and his responses shun logic and empirical data. He clearly doesn't care that his grammar is horrible and will probably never work to improve it (his user name should be a clue). Honestly though, who cares? The interwebs is full of horseshit just like this. Hell, it's far from the first time this has happened on this site. Kids will be kids and claim to be thirty and try to make themselves look important. If he's actually an adult and communicates with human beings like this on a regular basis, that's his problem, not yours. You should know by now that he posts inane horseshit, so why even view his posts? If the admins of the site are okay with having him as a user, that's their call and their collective reputation. Just leave him alone and maybe he'll go back to YuGiOh.
I'm honestly expecting Behgz to post today saying "April fools, I'm Meta!"
April 1, 2015 10:04 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #25
@ yeaGO
I think you're inferring something I didn't imply.
April 1, 2015 11:03 a.m.
"If the admins of the site are okay with having him as a user, that's their call and their collective reputation"
oh, then elaborate on this reputation you mention and how us having him as a user hurts it. and what another "call" might be.
April 1, 2015 11:06 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #27
I believe the line was " If the admins of the site are okay with having him as a user, that's their call and their collective reputation." It implies that they wouldn't want him to be a user of the site, but they are currently.
April 1, 2015 11:08 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #28
@ yeaGO
This is your site and as such it is tied to your reputation. If you have no issue with a user/post/deck/whatever, then that's that. No other users have anything to gain or lose from it, save maybe the other admins, so they should just leave it alone.
April 1, 2015 11:15 a.m.
well its not really if i have an issue with them, its if they have run aground of the rules we must all play by. that's what makes administration on tappedout a decentralized thing. whether you're you or whether you're me, you are free to call someone out for not adhering to the rules, of which there are very few.
the only person to my mind who was banned for something besides trade scamming was one individual who marched around from deck to deck "educating" everyone about why it sucked. he emailed me personally that he was going to "fix [my] site for [me]". Over the course of the weekend he steamrolled something like 1500 comments.
we're nowhere near that territory of removing this user from the community. the block feature is there. check it out.
April 1, 2015 11:27 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #30
I experimented with the block feature the other day, and all it did was remove that user from being viewable in terms of profile and stops them from commenting on your things. You still see all of their forum posts and such - there is no forum interaction at all tied to the blocking feature. At least, that is what i've found. If it's been updated recently though, i'll have to give it another shot.
April 1, 2015 12:40 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #31
I second that. I think it would be a solution if the "block" feature had the ability to remove blocked users' posts from being viewable to the member that has listed the member on his/her blocked list.
April 1, 2015 4:16 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #32
I'd honestly settle for not getting notifications when they post in forums you follow.
IndepenentMeta says... #1
Lol I'm pretty sure if anyone else read that and was intended for them they would feel insulated. And that's why I was telling you shinobi dont enable these people by saying their not being offensive. I know you are another one of the "good guys"
March 31, 2015 6:24 p.m.