A return to Zendikar. And fetches.
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Posted on Aug. 16, 2014, 12:30 a.m. by Rugbyfh10
I know people are talking about a return to fetches in almost every thread but this is one rumor I liked a lot. I'm not up to date with the lore, RTR being the first story to interest me I decided to start at original Ravnica. I heard though that the not so good Gideon, Champion of Justice was in the RTR block because he went to Ravnica to recruit Planeswalkers to help him fight the Eldrazi. So since we know Khans is not on Zendikar and is about dragons not the Eldrazi I think the set after Khans could be a return to Zendikar. What do you think? Fetches in Khans or RTZ.
DarkHero I had this talk with a friend and we talked about what kind of impact fetches would have on standard. I didn't play magic during Zendikar so I don't know how useful/useless they were, but we didn't even think about a return of the Eldrazi to standard. Holy Sh** that is a whole new can of worms.
August 16, 2014 12:40 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #4
No offense, but I will die happy if I never see another thread about fetches being reprinted.
It also may be a smaller shit show than you may think, because not only are at least Emrakul and Kozilek off Zendikar, Eldrazi will also no longer have Annihilator.
August 16, 2014 12:50 a.m.
The push for modern is received with hopefulness from the community. I know it is repetitive, but once they are reprinted you probably won't see another thread about them for at least while they are in standard :D.
August 16, 2014 1:32 a.m.
If they reprint fetches for standard, then boxes for standard cards are $300 and the barrier for entry is too damn high. They're not coming. At most, they'll do another Modern Masters in a few years.
August 16, 2014 1:45 a.m.
kiro_the_reaper says... #7
@Rugbyfh10 Don't forget that not only Kiora, the Crashing Wave came from Zendikar. Nissa, Worldwaker also is back and she is from Zendikar as well!
August 16, 2014 2:03 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #8
Fetch lands will not be in any standard that has both Courser of Kruphix and Chandra, Pyromaster . It just won't happen. The card selection is too good, Jund will be bigger than it was in the days of the thrag.
August 16, 2014 2:41 a.m.
This is mostly my thoughts or opinion but is partly based on a few facts from WotC.
beckhr, that isn't true. If they do decide to reprint and fill the rest of the fetch cycle (which they said they would if they did reprint fetches), they will most likely compensate for the high value by creating an overwhelming amount of printing for that block.
ThatBlueMage, I agree. Luckily, if the block is right after Khans, it will usher Courser of Kruphix rotating out and Chandra, Pyromaster will be in Standard for only a small amount of time afterwards.
Rugbyfh10, fetches by themselves are not overtly powerful. They do thin out your deck and fetch whichever color you'd like, but they only would find a basic land in Standard. They are most useful in Modern when shock lands can be used, therefore thinning your deck and fixing for even three colors. This allows for extreme mana manipulation that will not be seen in Standard.
August 16, 2014 3:21 a.m.
Haven't wizards said that they'll never, ever do annihilation again. Like, ever.
August 16, 2014 4:22 a.m.
Sorry, that was autocorrectm I meant the keyword annihilator
August 16, 2014 4:23 a.m.
lol ChiefBell that does sound like a reasonable thing for them to say but I'm not sure. GoldGhost012 I mean I guess I'd be glad to see it gone in bulk, but really the biggest Eldrazi should have some form of annihilator just for flavors sake at least. Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre won't feel right without it. Nor would the other 2 that you mentioned were "off" Zendikar. There has to be a reason they tore Zendikar a new asshole while some of the strongest beings in the multiverse just watched. I don't know much about the Lore behind Zendikar, but a less powerful Eldrazi seems to take away from the validity of the Original Zendikar block, including Rise Of The Eldrazi. But don't get me wrong, it is in large part far too over powered. Merely saying that at least the legendaries should have some form of it in my opinion.
August 16, 2014 11:34 a.m.
LordOfDispair says... #13
No fetches for sure. They should pop up again, but I'd give them a year or two.
August 17, 2014 12:54 a.m.
Cards like Courser of Kruphix is what makes fetches in standard good. I remember playing Vampires and having a Vampire Nocturnus on the table with three uncracked fetches. While I hate the Courser since I don't play green (unless I Ashiok him to my side) without cards like him around makes for a boring time to have fetches. Landfall made fetches exciting during Zendikar. I would hope that they would print at least a few cards that make using fetches not only exciting but skill testing, otherwise, what's the point?
August 19, 2014 9:39 a.m.
golffore297 says... #15
ChiefBell Mark Rosewater stated that when they return to the Eldrazi issue they will not have the Annihilator mechanic as it was no fun to play against. I imagine they will still have something powerful, but not quite as powerful as before.
August 19, 2014 10:18 a.m.
I am 90% certain this block is about the Eldrazi. We just won't see them themselves (or maybe we will, in the third set). It's a time travel story involving Sarkhan (who has been hearing mental messages from Ugin, a dragon planeswalker of colorless mana who helped seal the Eldrazi away). People are looking around the multiverse for aid against the Eldrazi. Who better than Ugin? We just need to get him from the past since Bolas claims to have "dealt with him" at some point. Not to mention the art+flavor text of Ghostfire combined with the known appearance of certain members of the Jeskai Way.
In principal, Khans is about Dragons. In the overaching storyline, it is bringing the multiverse closer to having the proper allies against the Eldrazi. So yes, next year might be return to Zendikar... but I'm really not sure if that's where we'll next see the Eldrazi. After all, most of them have already left.
August 20, 2014 5:53 p.m.
Not sure if we're going back to Zendikar so soon. Both Mirodin/Scars and Ravnica/Return had 6 blocks between them. Not sure if that's a rule or not, but it's the only two planes we have revisited and both had the same timeline. Khans is block 5, so I would suspect in two years perhaps we will get to see Zendikar again.
August 21, 2014 7:55 a.m.
SkyRaider42 says... #18
Considering Aaron Forscythe has stated that fetches will not be in KTK, I don't think it will happen
August 21, 2014 8:42 a.m.
Link? I still haven't seen a definitive statement on fetches.
I don't expect them to be in the KTK block, but I don't think the idea is that farfetched.
August 21, 2014 11:01 a.m.
SkyRaider42 says... #20
It's right here, from the brainstorm brewery podcast(Thanks to pizzap from MTGsalvation for writing all this down, it's copied from his post):
Gatheringmagic: Big question is - Fetchlands. People are complaining about these in Modern and you did such a great job with the shocklands reprints that the availability is everywhere. People can't complain about getting their shocklands; if you don't have your shocklands, you're not prepare for the format. But fetchlands? People didn't quite see that. Is it the same thing for you guys? Did you not see this happening? The demand of Modern? And eventually I'm sure that we are going to get one, if you don't want to say when, is this a concern for you guys?
Aaron Forsythe: Yeah. I mean, they did take off kind of out of the blue it felt like. Pretty recently. And obviously our turnaround time on doing anything is not instantaneous. So any plans that we have to put more fetchlands out there will take some time to execute on. But we are definitely aware of, you know, what cards people need to build decks to play Modern and what cards they're after. So we are going to do what we can.
August 21, 2014 11:30 a.m.
I think that in the time travel set we will go back to before nicol bolas killed the other elder dragons and maybe kill him before he does. But then, butterfly effect and goods luck explaining time travel wizards greater men than you have tried.
I like the information from Forsythe and it made me think if we do get back fetches is it possible we see the other 5 from the cycle?
August 21, 2014 1:51 p.m.
@Rugbyfh10: If and when we get fetchland reprints in a standard-legal set, I would anticipate all 10 over the course of the block. R&D doesn't like blocks having unbalanced mana bases, so they don't really discriminate in favor of ally pairs or enemy pairs anymore when it comes to lands.
DarkHero says... #2
I really doubt fetches in Khans. Like really really doubt. But it's possible. RTZ will happen eventually, but that would also mark the return of Eldrazi to standard, which would be a huge deal. Kiora, the Crashing Wave was also on Theros looking for Leviathans to bring back with her to Zendikar to fight the Eldrazi too. Zendikar being her home plane I believe. It's going to be a huge shit show. When it happens no body knows, but I doubt we will see fetches any time before this supposed RTZ rears its ugly/epic head.
August 16, 2014 12:36 a.m.