Amonkhet Spoilers and Speculation.

Spoilers, Rumors, and Speculation forum

Posted on March 17, 2017, 10:28 p.m. by Linkdude74

So it begins. Apparently someone pulled a Portuguese Amonkhet card in a MM3 pack. Here it is. Amonkhet spoiler

Dusk 2WW

Sorcery

Destroy all creatures with power 3 or greater

Dawn 3WW

Sorcery

Consequence - cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile it.

Return all creatures with power less than or equal to 2 from your graveyard to your hand.

Source

Zaueski says... #1

I'm not sure what kind of deck Oracle's Vault could fit into... It seems to want to be control but flipping over counterspells and the like seems really bad...

Archfiend seems really dope and is definitely an easy slot for Living End decks, I just hope we can try to pull off some type of real reanimator deck that can compete...

Rest of the cards are meh at best... Embalm and Exert seem interesting but they lack good cards so far... Have to wait and see on them.

They really need to reprint a Rest in Peace or at least a Tormod's Crypt to fix standard though... If I see one of those effects on a usable card then I'll really start getting hyped.

March 27, 2017 7:53 p.m. Edited.

Atony1400 says... #2

My favorite card so far is either the demon or Sixth Sense. Curiosity back in Standard is exciting!

March 27, 2017 9:28 p.m.

DemonDragonJ says... #3

Some of those cards a very nice, especially the reprints. While the reprint of Giant Spider is nice, I would much rather see Ancient Spider, as there is no better set in which to reprint it than this one, and the latter is better than the former in almost every way.

March 27, 2017 10:10 p.m.

Bovine073 says... #4

Spider Tribal in standard... hypehypehype?

March 27, 2017 10:51 p.m.

Atony1400 says... #5

Cards we have in the database from Amonkhet thus far:

Enjoy! Can't wait to see what today brings!

March 28, 2017 7:23 a.m.

Vickolas says... #6

This card design is hideous, and the whole "brick counters" made me throw a chair out the window. And no, I am not joking, and no, I did not open the window.

March 28, 2017 7:34 a.m.

Atony1400 says... #7

My favorite part in all of this is the counter token. The fact that brick counters are pictured as a literal brick is pretty funny!

March 28, 2017 7:55 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #8

Anyone else planning on using Lego pieces as brick tokens?

March 28, 2017 9:42 a.m.

hahahaha i can't wait to shove all these brick counter cards into my atraxa edh and build a lego wall in front of everyone

March 28, 2017 9:46 a.m.

Atony1400 says... #10

@ MagicalHacker, smackjack and I are!

March 28, 2017 9:47 a.m.

landofMordor says... #11

Y'all, I know that anybody can say this and I don't really have the written, dated, and signed document to back this up...but...

I called white zombies in Amonkhet!! and I'm pumped that I got it right.

My brother and I were talking about the new set, and I predicted that Amonkhet would use the Egyptian cult of the dead to bring a very W flavor to Zombies, who would be more like mummies.

I'm super pumped about this. First, it means I can finally build a Necromancer's Covenant tribal. Second, the new set so far seems full of these kinds of mechanics that push the envelope in new (and hopefully good) directions.

Anyone else vindicated on predictions so far?

March 28, 2017 9:59 a.m.

Okay, so I have few ideas about how Oracle's Vault can be good without knowing anything else in Amonkhet. For now, this idea would fall under Sultai Control, which isn't very competitive in current Standard. But, it's an idea.

Use some combination of Winding Constrictor, Skyship Plunderer, or Maulfist Revolutionary to get 3 Brick Counters on Oracle's Vault quicker.

Use cards like Anticipate, Glimmer of Genius, or other cards that Scry to set up which card is on top of your deck.

When your opponent plays something you want to counter, tap Oracle's Vault to cast the top card you've set up to be Torrential Gearhulk, Negate, Disallow, etc.

Obviously, this is a "neat" concept, but unsustainable in the current meta. I would hope that something else in AKH would give a deck like this better options because I would love to see it work.

March 28, 2017 11:32 a.m.

Ceondoc says... #13

landofMordor: what would you use as your commander in a W/B Zombies Tribal?

March 28, 2017 11:55 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #14

Ceondoc, this page offers some decent options.

March 28, 2017 12:30 p.m.

Guardians says... #15

Brick counters: Lego to me :) MagicalHacker smackjack, Atony1400

March 28, 2017 12:32 p.m.

cklise says... #16

Personally, I'd add blue to a W/B zombie EDH deck (Maybe under Oloro, Ageless Ascetic for a placeholder). Then you get to add Traumatize to hit a creature-heavy player with before Necromancer's Covenant.

March 28, 2017 12:49 p.m.

Atony1400 says... #17

Woo! Lego!

I feel like I want to preorder the punch out card.....

March 28, 2017 1:03 p.m. Edited.

Ceondoc says... #18

Get the punch card

Punch out the brick counters

Glue to legos

Win

Atony1400 Guardians MagicalHacker smackjack

March 28, 2017 1:23 p.m.

Atony1400 says... #19

lol

We're getting some of the MPS series Amonkhet Incarnations at 6 pm ET (source). What do you think we will get?

March 28, 2017 1:30 p.m. Edited.

MagicalHacker says... #20

Ooooh "incarnations"... I'm very excited :O

March 28, 2017 2:07 p.m.

berryjon says... #21

Probably the Amonkhet Masterpiece theme, and maybe even certified artwork for the local 'Walkers who aren't Jace/Bolas/Gideon/Liliana.

March 28, 2017 2:08 p.m.

If these "incarnations" are indeed the Masterpiece/Expedition set of Amonkhet then I bet they are planeswalkers. a) Since there are different forms (or incarnations) of each planeswalker, and b) Bolas has always meddled with PW's so it makes sense.

March 28, 2017 2:14 p.m.

I'm curious the original incarnations are almost all still relevant in commander in some way shape or form.

I mean who doesn't love Anger?

Hopefully we see cool takes on these. Would be interesting if they were solid creatures that did something cool while in the graveyard but also had embalm making you choose wether the graveyard benefit is better than having the creature.

March 28, 2017 2:15 p.m.

Ryjo says... #24

I think the Masterpieces are 'Invocations', not 'Incarnations'

March 28, 2017 2:40 p.m.

Atony1400 says... #25

@Ryjo, Yep, my bad!

March 28, 2017 2:46 p.m.

Awww bummer I was hoping for new Incarnations!

March 28, 2017 2:49 p.m.

Guardians says... #27

Everyone get ready, Cruel Ultimatum coming our way.(Hopefully)

CeondocAtony1400MagicalHackersmackjack

Will we get a brick counter token?

March 28, 2017 3:13 p.m.

Ceondoc says... #28

A few comments past there was a picture of a punch card with brick counters on it Guardians

March 28, 2017 3:17 p.m.

Guardians says... #29

Really? Do you think my LGS would mind if I brought a ton of bricks to Prerelease? I hope not Ceondoc :)

March 28, 2017 3:25 p.m.

Ceondoc says... #30

Guardians Lol. I'm gonna do that too.

March 28, 2017 3:28 p.m.

ZeldaFreak says... #31

Linkdude74, the Consequence ability says only cast it from the graveyard. Thus, you can't cast the bottom part with an expertise card.

March 28, 2017 3:59 p.m.

ZeldaFreak says... #32

Linkdude74, the Consequence ability says only cast it from the graveyard. Thus, you can't cast the bottom part with an expertise card.

March 28, 2017 4:05 p.m.

Linkdude74 says... #33

I never stated you could cast the bottom half, but could use the cmc of the bottom half to cast the top half without paying it's mana cost, as it's 1 card with 2 different cmc.

March 28, 2017 4:09 p.m.

Ceondoc says... #34

Linkdude74 I don't think that will work because they are, by name, two different spells, just on one card printing. You would have to use the CMC that is printed on the spell that you can play from your hand, not the one that is casted from your graveyard. An example of what I mean would be something like Fuse cards. It is two seperate spells, just printed on one card. You can't pay the mana cost of one spell to cast the other one.

March 28, 2017 4:48 p.m.

Linkdude74 says... #35

You're not paying the mana cost of eother, the card has 2 converted mana costs. Theoretically, if you wanted to just cast entering on Breaking you could because the card has a cmc of 2 or less, even though the entering half is not 2. It also has entering's cmc

March 28, 2017 5:09 p.m.

saj0219 says... #36

Ceondoc that's not quite true. I can use Brain in a Jar with two counters on it to cast either side of Boom/Bust for example, even though one side costs six mana and not two

March 28, 2017 5:12 p.m.

Ceondoc says... #37

Ah ok. Thanks for clarifying that saj0219 Linkdude74. The problem is, because of the Consequence ability, you would not be able to cast it from your hand, even with an expertise card.

March 28, 2017 5:40 p.m.

jchudz says... #38

I'll be surprised if some kind of Oracle's Vault Paradox Engine deck doesn't show up in the coming months

March 28, 2017 6:14 p.m.

saj0219 says... #39

One of the masterpieces is Aven Mindcensor... link

March 28, 2017 6:18 p.m.

jchudz says... #40

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the masterpiece layout this time around seems kind of clunky and gimmicky

March 28, 2017 6:19 p.m.

saj0219 says... #41

Apparently there's also a Chain Lightning and a Maelstrom Pulse masterpiece, though I don't have reputable sources for either of those and am on a phone (so I'm tired of looking/navigating)

March 28, 2017 6:23 p.m.

Hardhitta7 says... #42

My god, that masterpiece makes me want to puke. Shit is ugly. lol

March 28, 2017 6:31 p.m.

Atony1400 says... #43

Art = cool, borders = not so much

March 28, 2017 6:41 p.m.

Ceondoc says... #44

I am really excited for the Masterpieces that we are getting. I personally like how they look too.

March 28, 2017 6:49 p.m.

Phaetion says... #45

They look cool. I hope they exist as non-foils too (Wishful thinking; don't shoot me down).

March 28, 2017 7:02 p.m.

CChaos says... #46

I like the style of the new masterpieces.

March 28, 2017 7:15 p.m.

AwezomePozzum says... #47

I like the thought put into the border themewise, and the art is fabulous. The problem I have is how clunky it looks. Maybe it'l grow on us, I can't tell for sure. Right now though, it's not too great.

March 28, 2017 7:18 p.m.

Linkdude74 says... #48

Ceondoc, I never stated we could cast the consequence half. I actually stated we never could. Was a post after my initial saying we could cast top half off of bottom cmc.

March 28, 2017 7:24 p.m.

golffore297 says... #49

Force of Will, blue getting a lot of nice toys.

March 28, 2017 7:41 p.m.

AgentGreen says... #50

Is it just me or did the name of the Masterpiece look unclear, clunky and just plain hard to read?

Not gonna lie....that masterpiece border looks ugly as shit

March 28, 2017 7:42 p.m.

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