Archangel Avacyn
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Posted on March 6, 2016, 2:30 p.m. by Murpy
This card seems really interesting and flavorful. I'd like to know your thoughts.
Link: http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/archangelavacyn.html
iAzire her previous print didn't cost 5.
I like her. She flashblocks anything :)
March 6, 2016 2:39 p.m.
I am looking purely from an EDH standpoint. While her new print does cost 5 as opposed to 8, her ability provides limited protection and you have to plan her flip.
I just feel like old Avacyn will still see more play while the new one is kind of lackluster. Temporary Indestructible into Lightning Bolt the board? It will see some play but all in all, I feel let down from the Avacyn name.
March 6, 2016 2:49 p.m.
i like how you can flip her back if 2 creatures die for multiple boardwipes. brewing time!
March 6, 2016 3:08 p.m.
I'm going to look for a Foil, and will probably overtrade for it. The Red side of that art is amazing.
March 6, 2016 3:12 p.m. Edited.
PepsiAddicted says... #12
uhhh it says "transform archangel avacyn" not "transform this card" so there are no multiple transforms after the first because the cardname changes after the first flip. Or am I too baked right now?
March 6, 2016 3:24 p.m.
PepsiAddicted says... #14
he also doesnt talk about the name change tho, and card names are important especially when its in the text. its still the same instance of the card but it changed its name and the trigger is looking for a card called archangel avacyn... but yeah theyll have something new for us im sure
March 6, 2016 3:31 p.m. Edited.
PepsiAddicted - Go read the gatherer entry for Bloodline Keeper Flip, that's really the trump card in this argument.
March 6, 2016 3:33 p.m.
OneItsStarted says... #16
Imagine in standard: you have Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, a Zombie/Vampire, this Avacyn, and Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip in play. You sacrifice the Zombie/Vampire to Kalitas, triggering all of them, Liliana flips (+ zombie token), Kalitas gets 2 +1/+1 counters, and Avacyn wipes the opponents' board, then you use Liliana to bring back the Vampire/Zombie and swing at the opponent with Kalitas
March 6, 2016 3:36 p.m.
miracleHat says... #17
I am assuming that this card will be good for standard... Maybe good for modern
turn 2 Voice of Resurgence turn 3 Loxodon Smiter turn 4 Restoration Angel turn 5 archangel avacyn....
Still disappointed. I want my avacyn to be >6 mana and smiting the sun and demons out from the sky. The front side of the art makes her look smaller than a 1-story building and the backside of the art makes me feel more disappointed in the rest of the card.
Still though, it is probably going to be worth >=$25.
March 6, 2016 3:37 p.m.
PepsiAddicted - No doubt it's weird, but sometimes the rules are weird.
March 6, 2016 3:47 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #20
Question, would a Rending Volley cast in response to Archangel Avacyn's ETB Indestructible trigger kill her?
March 6, 2016 3:50 p.m.
scopesightzx says... #22
A few questions I had.
When an Innistrad transform creature transforms, do equipment stay attached to it? This card is a full boardwipe with deathtouch.
If flickered, does it re-enter as Archangel Avacyn or Avacyn, the Purifier? If it does come back as the side you cast it as, she would be an interesting boros flicker commander
March 6, 2016 5:29 p.m.
The creature transforming does not cause it to leave play, so all Auras and Equipments will stay attached to it.
When a DFC is flickered it will reenter as its front side, so Avacyn will reenter as Archangel Avacyn.
March 6, 2016 5:32 p.m.
I'll certainly get it for EDH, but it feels so much less awesome than the archangel. It doesn't seem like a main character card like Avacyn, Angel of Hope or Griselbrand or Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. It feels more like Geist of Saint Traft or It That Betrays. I don't play any standard so I'm not sure if it will find a home there, but I don't feel like it will make any significant impact on any other format, which is a little sad.
March 6, 2016 8:04 p.m.
Exactly Murpy, I will still get a Foil because I always do but I question how much play it will really get in any of my EDH.
March 6, 2016 8:06 p.m.
InfiniteParadoX says... #26
you can cast another one of her in response to her transforming since both sides have different names. Value!
March 6, 2016 10:25 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #28
You should be able to flash her in in response to the 3 damage trigger though.
March 6, 2016 10:33 p.m.
00xtremeninja says... #29
So how does she work for EDH? Is she considered white first then red? Obviously she can be run in boros decks, but what about mono white?
March 6, 2016 10:53 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #30
Her color identity is always red/white, making her illegal for any decks that don't run both colors.
March 6, 2016 10:56 p.m.
Ugh... That's so bad. I guess I won't pick up a foil after all.
March 7, 2016 8:33 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #33
I like these new depictions of Avacyn very much, and having more angels in red is nice, but is there any possibility for black angels in this block? That would make sense, to me, and black has traditionally be the second most common color for angels, after white.
Aztraeuz says... #2
I feel let down. She is lower power level than her previous print and I'm just not sure I can find a spot for her in my EDH decks. Obviously a cool card that I will collect, just not sure if I'll get to use her.
March 6, 2016 2:33 p.m.