Archetype of Courage
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Posted on Jan. 16, 2014, 1:09 p.m. by Rasta_Viking29
Archetype of Courage WW1
Enchantment Creature Human Soldier Uncommon
Creatures you control have first strike.Creatures your opponents control lose first strike and can't have or gain first strike.
"It has been my experience that soldiers most fervently follow generals who lead by example."Elspeth
Illus. William Murai #4/165 2/2
blackmarker90 says... #3
My only question is what happens if each player has one on he field?
January 16, 2014 1:19 p.m.
blackmarker90 says... #6
Or would the second player to play one not benefit at all. The card answers my question actually
January 16, 2014 1:33 p.m.
It was answered on the mothership that if both players have an archetype, neither player's creatures have the ability it grants.
January 16, 2014 1:35 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #8
Static Continuous effects are applied in timestamp order. Basically whichever one enters last "wins."
Rule 613 of the comprehensive rules covers Continuous effects, layers and gives a variety of examples.
More specifically 613.8. One continuous effect can override another. Sometimes the results of one effect determine whether another effect applies or what another effect does.
January 16, 2014 1:48 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #9
Or in this case, the first continuous effect of your copy gets cancelled our by the second continuous effect of your opponents copy
January 16, 2014 1:49 p.m.
Nope, MindAblaze!, because the archetypes say "and can't have or gain ~". So it's basically a case of everybody loses. (Though for first strike, everything having it is the same as nothing.)
January 16, 2014 1:59 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #11
Yeah, my second point covers that.
It's like casting Jump on your creature and then equipping Magebane Armor to it. The second effect cancels out the first...so in the case of the Archetype both cards cancel each others first strike out. We're on the same page.
January 16, 2014 4:26 p.m.
I like the card, I think Orzhov aggro is pretty solid right now and this either, adds to it or a white weenies build. really nice.
January 16, 2014 5:21 p.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #13
I think I'd like to try this guy out in Orzhov Humans.
Also I bet this card looks super rad in foil.
January 16, 2014 6:54 p.m.
I'm necroing to ask a question. Would it matter if the Archetypes had the "lose and can't have or gain" part first rather then second? If it said "all creatures you control have x" after, would all creatures then have it if both you and your opponent had one?
I'm just trying to figure out why "they don't" trumps "they do."
February 18, 2014 1:07 p.m.
blackmarker90 says... #16
No it would still function the same way if your opponent played one
February 18, 2014 3:11 p.m.
Archetype of Courage +Bow of Nylea = all defenders die /:P
Rasta_Viking29 says... #2
Solid uncommon. Not too familiar with the white weenie/devotion strategy but this seems to fit.
January 16, 2014 1:10 p.m.