Ashcloud Phoenix
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Posted on Sept. 8, 2014, 11:09 a.m. by -Fulcrum
New card in KTK
Ashcloud Phoenix - 2RR
Creature - Phoenix - Mythic Rare
Flyine
When ~ dies, return it to the battlefield face down.
Morph 4RR
When ~ is turned face up, it deals 2 damage to each player.
4/1
Seems pretty good, if only as an anti-control tool.
weisemanjohn says... #3
Damnit! So close to being abusable by temur... Temur ascendancy plus this would rock if it didn't return as a 2/2...
September 8, 2014 11:25 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #4
No Haste? Exiles to Magma Spray, Anger of the Gods, and that white card that says exile power 4 or greater? Morph cost of SIX?! Pass.
September 8, 2014 11:38 a.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #5
Lame red mythic. Even in Limited it isn't a sure bomb.
September 8, 2014 11:45 a.m.
its a 4/1 flier for 4 that becomes a 2/2 chump blocker upon death. how many people are actually running Magma Spray ? also, this triggers both of the temur enchants thus far. I would say its very warranted as a mythic
September 8, 2014 12:06 p.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #7
Nobody mainboard. Anyone running red has it sideboard.
September 8, 2014 12:07 p.m.
Blind_Guardian says... #8
Another monored phoenix with too many downsides, garbage....
September 8, 2014 12:11 p.m.
TheNinjaJesus, you missed Last Breath . I'll pass as well
September 8, 2014 12:14 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #12
I originally thought this card was decent. But then I took a Magma Spray to the face down.
September 8, 2014 12:23 p.m.
GoldGhost012 that's the first thing that came in my mind when I saw this card.
September 8, 2014 12:43 p.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #14
Constructed useless, Flame-Wreathed Phoenix is more playable.
September 8, 2014 12:49 p.m.
Worth pointing out is has synergy with the new enchantment spoiler, Trail of Mystery.
Like, REALLY good synergy, basic land search and a 6/3 phoenix
September 8, 2014 1:43 p.m.
Dalektable says... #16
Dislike, a definite waste of a mythic rare slot. Should be a rare.
September 8, 2014 5:17 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #20
Rarity exists to control the Limited format.
September 8, 2014 8:23 p.m.
Dalektable says... #21
fluffybunnypants I'm aware, there have been many limited bombs printed at the rare rarity better than this. It's very easy to deal with. I feel like they were trying to hard to balance it, and actually made it too weak.
September 8, 2014 8:26 p.m.
LordOfDispair says... #22
Fun, but only viable with haste. Would work amazing in a Temur Ascendancy based deck
September 8, 2014 8:28 p.m.
weisemanjohn says... #23
@lordofdispairI thought that too, but temur does not have access to cards like Dictate of Heliod and without that, when the phoenix reenters the battlefield, it is only a 2/2 and cannot trigger the card draw. Otherwise I'd want to abuse it.
September 8, 2014 8:51 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #25
Why am I starting to think this isn't terrible?
Should force a 2 for 1 at least and presents a reasonable clock. Could be hard to remove late with mana open.
September 12, 2014 9:03 a.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #26
The complaint of Magma spray/exile effects doesn't seem all that relevant, like, congrats it dies to "exile instead" effects and O-ring effects like everything in hardcore red and red/x aggro. However it can come back from any other removal or trade.
Also like, the morph on this dude is so high because it's not ever meant to be played morphed, it's an evasive and capable beater that comes back and shocks an opponent on return.
Sure it's not the most exciting red mythic but it's a hell of a lot better than Flame-Wreathed because with Flame-wreahed your opponent gets the pick the form that's least troublesome and also can just Lightning Strike in response to the "tribute not paid" trigger to get the revival effect. Basically Flame-Wreathed doesn't even work as a phoenix. This guy is not bad at all imo
September 12, 2014 10:44 a.m.
TheRedDude says... #28
oops i counted wrong its 231321423423423520887298486461874618461846184 words
trentfaris242 says... #2
It seems really annoying once the other player gets enough mana to keep flipping it. I would HATE this card if it had haste.
September 8, 2014 11:19 a.m.