atheros, god of HE'LL YES!
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Posted on April 14, 2014, 10:14 a.m. by capriom85
Atheros, God of Passage...1WB for a 5/4 indestructible is nice, but his static effect is crazy! Let's talk about what this is going to do for b/w humans. Xathrid Necromancer
just got better! Sure, remove my stuff, give me zombies, and then I'll just replay them again. I think I am going to like this guy a little bit. What a good time for me to have switched over to b/w aggro. Where else do you see this guy?
PS. This god easily has the best art of any of them
Epochalyptik says... #3
Make sure you check the forums first. There are already at least two threads about Athreos.
April 14, 2014 10:20 a.m.
wish his ability was more EDH relevant. Most of the time its more than worth it to take 3 life when your at 40. Unfortunately he is basically just going to see standard play, Maybe a little modern. He is in the same boat as Mogis, God of Slaughter . The deck idea you suggested is really his only application atm.
April 14, 2014 10:20 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #5
He pretty much brings back the aristocrats, but for modern...
BW humans with this guy and blood artist, oh boy...
Also works for standard, and I think he'll be a powerhouse there as well.
April 14, 2014 10:24 a.m.
trentfaris242 says... #6
@DarkHero, I disagree completely. He'll see play in BW Humans and BW midrange for standard, true, but every Melira Pod will be playing him as well. It's very likely we even see new archetypes based off of him. He's an exceptionally good card for more formats than just Standard.
April 14, 2014 10:25 a.m.
I can't wait to play him...probably will pre order at a disgusting price forcing me to pray for good trades, though.
Sorry for not checking posts first
April 14, 2014 10:27 a.m.
so like i said...standard and some modern, slightly better than Mogis, God of Slaughter , I can't see how what I just said deviates so far from your response that you cans say you completely disagree. He is going to be borderline broken in standard, and almost equally as good in modern. but in a format with more answers. I'm not saying he is bad, I'm just not as pumped about him as everyone else I guess. I'm also way higher on Kruphix, God of Horizons than every too so maybe it's just my inner EDH talking.
April 14, 2014 10:46 a.m.
trentfaris242 says... #9
@DarkHero Because Mogis, God of Slaughter sees no play in Modern and only rare appearances in Standard. Athreos, God of Passage will be played 10xs more. Mogis is a laughable god because his static ability isn't even that great in Standard, so he sees no play anywhere. Athreos is cheaper (which means he can see play in more than just Standard) and his static ability is ridiculous.
I guess I just don't like that you said "He is in the same boat as Mogis, God of Slaughter " because that's just flat out wrong.
April 14, 2014 11:11 a.m.
I meant in terms of edh, taking a small amount of damage to avoid a very relevant effect. Like I said he is strictly better than Mogis, but in terms of EDH they are both junk. And really I still think that the Human reanimation/sacrifice archetype is largely his only application, maybe a few home brews will pop up, but unless it is a mass of creatures dying on a regular basis, it will be almost irrelevant. And B/W humans is the best deck for that with Xathrid Necromancer . Don't get me wrong, that build is going to be crazy good now, but I guess I just don't think his ability is that "ridiculous". If it was onto the battlefield that would be a different story. I know I'm the only one that isnt creaming their pants over him and thats ok. And just an after thought, isn't it going to be hard to hit 7 devotion in that color combination and with blatently demanding your creatures die? And if that's the case, its all about the ability and being a really good enchantment for 3cmc, you can almost ignore the 5/4 for 3cmc body.
April 14, 2014 11:22 a.m.
He's much better than Mogis, God of Slaughter in Standard.
He's the only God (excluding possible "card draw") which self supports his devotion requirements. - Meaning, if your opponent doesn't pay 3, you get to recast the creature and thus keep your devotion to what it was at... if they want to prevent devotion from reaching 7, they have to pay 3.
April 14, 2014 11:43 a.m.
just seems to leave the door open for "yeah Ill take the 3 life so your creature stays in grave yard and the god goes dormant so I can swing for lethal. I understand he's better than Mogis in standard, that was never in question. And as for "self supporting" that does make some sense, but your still left with recasting your creatures next turn if they don't take the life, and even then if your just stringing only with 7 devotion, who's to say losing it for that brief moment isn't going to be the deciding factor. Basically I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. As I've said like 3 times now, he's good, I'm just tempering my expectations.
April 14, 2014 11:51 a.m.
And I'll admit I mis-spoke saying he will only see play in standard with a "little"modern. He will see play in modern more so than the other gods, but I fear he will be subject to more answers in that format that will make him less desirable, which is why I said what I said. I'm not big into modern by any stretch of the meaning, but I feel like there has to be at least a few things that either do something similar, or flat out kill the whole idea. (Again, Devil's Advocate)
April 14, 2014 11:55 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #14
Well if you get a triple one drop draw with him and play him turn 3 on the draw, a Supreme Verdict kind of gets a 'pay 9 life or have an Evacuation instead'. (yes I know it's not that simple).
But I still think he's very strong in an aggressive BW strategy.
April 14, 2014 12:24 p.m.
Which is exactly where I plan to put him. I am really looking forward to this card...but I wonder...does Rest in Peace "turn him off"?
April 14, 2014 8:13 p.m.
MisterRoach says... #16
I would say so since his ability triggers when the creature goes to the graveyard Rest in Peace is a replacement effect so they never go to the graveyard to trigger him.
April 14, 2014 8:22 p.m.
Akingforaday399 says... #17
Rest in Peace , Anger of the Gods , and Scavenging Ooze all shut this card down. When a creature dies, it enters the graveyard, but effects like this then trigger and bring them back. RIP prevents them from dying; they are exiled, and SO's ability can be triggered in response and will resolve first.
April 17, 2014 10:38 a.m.
Akingforaday399: Now I could be mistaken, but I believe that Atheros' effect would take precedence, because as I read the card, it says "if a creature you control dies", which means it has not hit the graveyard yet. However, if they do not pay the life, it would then go to the graveyard and then be triggered by RIP et al. It is all a matter of timing.
Now I can be mistaken, and I freely admit that, however that is how I see it.
April 17, 2014 4:50 p.m.
It doesn't say if, it says whenever. Whenever means it's a trigger, and "dies" means hits the graveyard. That's why effects like Rest In Peace turn off things like Voice of Resurgance, because Voice never "dies" because it never hits the graveyard.
So Akingforaday399 is right, the trigger will go on the stack, you respond to it with Scavenging Ooze's ability, then choose to not pay the life, but the ability cannot return the creature to the player's hand because the creature has been removed from the game (exiled).
April 21, 2014 3:42 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #20
I'm skeptical of him seeing Modern play. He might see play in Pod and possibly Soul Sisters, but even then it's hard to say. Pod runs better things at 3 than him and Soul Sisters is more concerned with gaining life and beating face. Maybe a sideboard?
I could be wrong, but as a Modern player that's my thinking toward this card.
adventfaith says... #2
April 14, 2014 10:19 a.m.