Bob jr gets hsi buddy!!!
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Posted on Jan. 13, 2014, 10:31 p.m. by capriom85
Kiora's Follower UG
T: untap another target permanent.
I think we will be seeing BUG decks abusing Pain Seer in the new Theros standard season!
Thoughts?
I'm also wondering if maybe some Grixis control will pop up as well, using Ral Zarek 's +1 to abuse Pain Seer. Or if UGx Devotion becomes a thing, Kiora's Follower would be an effective replacement for Voyaging Satyr with the Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx shenanigans.
January 13, 2014 10:48 p.m.
Dalektable says... #4
OR OR OR Springleaf Drum . I see no reason to go three color and have to decide on whether to drop bob jr T2 or the Kiora's follower. With the drum you are given ramp and a way to consistently tap him. T1 Springleaf Drum T2 Pain Seer tap him and play something like Thoughtseize perhaps?
January 13, 2014 10:52 p.m.
YouGotFranked says... #5
I doubt it. Pain seer is overhyped imo. He's not Bob. No matter how people try to break him, he'll never be Bob, just like Duskmantle Seer . To really "break" him, you'd need Pain seer, Kiora's follower and probably Springleaf drum into play. This "combo" alone forces you into BUG, can't come online before T3 and requires an almost perfect starting 7 every time. The strength of Dark Confidant is that you just need him to be into play to get value.
This may shock some people, even upset them, but i'm calling it now; Pain seer is bad. since you need at least 1-2 other cards to make him good, he doesn't provide any real card advantage since you be spending the first 1-2 activations to replace the other combo pieces. He takes too much work to make a "safe" use of him, otherwise you need to attack and risk losing him against a blocker. I still prefer running Underworld Connections to him anyday.
January 13, 2014 11:01 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
Pain Seer is a bear with a relevant ability. Is he Dark Confidant ? No. Is he the worst black 2 drop in standard? Not by a long shot. Pain Seer is a perfectly meh card that should be at uncommon.
January 13, 2014 11:20 p.m.
At this time I would point out that Ral Zarek 's +1 specifies that it untaps another target permanent.
Unless I am misunderstanding the ability, you cannot tap then untap Pain Seer with his +1 alone.
January 14, 2014 12:26 a.m.
I like Dalektable's take on it. It seems solid. Alternatively, some variant of X/B aggro would probably be happy to run him. If he is killed, fine, it soaks up a removal spell, if you get just 1 card from him, you'll be that much closer to killing your opponent.
pingpongball120 says... #2
Too much work to get Bob. His ability is just awesome, it just needs help in order to do things. Also that's 3 colors for one ability, meh.
January 13, 2014 10:48 p.m.