Cards you would like to see in BNG
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Posted on Dec. 28, 2013, 6:35 a.m. by ShadowLand
I was sitting here thinking to myself, if I could think of 1 card that really would help stabilize the meta in my area, which is control huge. It would be a Cavern of Souls
type card, it would give the creature decks a real edge, and set the U/W and Esper decks back a bit.
Another card I would like to see, is a decent 2-drop double black creature. Or a 1-drop that does something nice in black. Any of blacks decent cards start at 3 CMC, at least if you are wanting to do a mid-range devotion angle anyways.
How about you? What would you like to see?
YouGotFranked says... #2
I really want a playable White devotion card. Black and Green have hit the jackpot on the number of devotion cards, while Red and Blue have the least but they're all perfectly playable. White only have Heliod, God of the Sun and Evangel of Heliod (which is just a bad Master of Waves and/or Elspeth, Sun's Champion )
December 29, 2013 8:38 a.m.
Very new to MTG, and still learning, so I don't claim to understand everything, but I do have a few comments.
First of all, if a card was bad, and now it is good because of its surrounding cards, it is now good. It doesn't matter why it is good, or if it is only good because of some special mechanic that didn't exist while it was first printed. So I agree, Nightveil Specter is a good card. Currently one of the best, judging by how many people are playing it. And until something better is printed, Kalonian Tusker isn't terrible either. It will trade with a 1-2-3 drop, and ramp your devotion, what else do you need in green right now? Besides removal perhaps... which leads me to my second point.
I would love to see a new creature with Ulvenwald Tracker -like ability. I found this card on gatherer and have wished for it in standard ever since! Green has some spot removal, but in order to get anything consistent you have to shell out for a Domri Rade ... which I don't consider to be accessible to most.
December 29, 2013 11:47 a.m.
Very new to MTG, and still learning, so I don't claim to understand everything, but I do have a few comments.
First of all, if a card was bad, and now it is good because of its surrounding cards, it is now good. It doesn't matter why it is good, or if it is only good because of some special mechanic that didn't exist while it was first printed. So I agree, Nightveil Specter is a good card. Currently one of the best, judging by how many people are playing it. And until something better is printed, Kalonian Tusker isn't terrible either. It will trade with a 1-2-3 drop, and ramp your devotion, what else do you need in green right now? Besides removal perhaps... which leads me to my second point.
I would love to see a new creature with Ulvenwald Tracker -like ability. I found this card on gatherer and have wished for it in standard ever since! Green has some spot removal, but in order to get anything consistent you have to shell out for a Domri Rade ... which I don't consider to be accessible to most.
Overall, I think the meta is pretty healthy, for the same points mentioned above. Yes, it is skewed towards black and blue, but not overwhelmingly imho. Also, I have only played since Theros release, but I love this game!
December 29, 2013 11:48 a.m.
No. Nightveil Specter is a USEFUL card. A means to an end, with no better alternative. That doesn't make it good. Sometimes I really despair.....
December 29, 2013 11:59 a.m.
Don't dispair... just help me understand. I'm not trying to be obstinate. :)
I just don't see how any card works apart from any other card. You need land to cast spells, you need multiple land to cast most of the powerful spells. You need devotion to use any god card. You need creatures in the graveyard for Whip of Erebos to really shine, ect.
Why does a creature that sees play in 40% of decks right now in standard (according to mtggoldfish.com) get the label of being bad? Maybe it is only being played because of devotion, but there it is, being played by almost everyone with a blue deck. I would say the usefulness of the card is its goodness. How is this not so? Once Devotion rotates out, ok, it goes back to being bad. But right now? Its pretty good IMHO.
December 29, 2013 12:54 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #7
It is only being used by those decks because of the 3 devotion to either color. In a 3-drop slot in a devotion deck, what is the better option? And using it for mirror matches increases your chances of seeing a card you can use of theirs. If they had a triple color in either blue or black, it would be used instead. Its a decent card, but not fantastic. Right now its and end to a means.
December 29, 2013 4:32 p.m.
megawurmple says... #8
I don't think Damnation will see a reprint in BNG, not with Supreme Verdict in Standard at least. Maybe in the next block, once Verdict is gone, but not in Theros block.
December 29, 2013 4:53 p.m.
At one point there was Mutilate , Terminus , Supreme Verdict , Bonfire of the Damned . We don't need to be scared of board clear.
December 29, 2013 4:56 p.m.
megawurmple says... #10
I guess. That's just my lack of Standard experience talking. I only really play Modern.
December 29, 2013 5:06 p.m.
And I think the meta was a lot more rich and interesting when the AVR/DKA/INN set was in. I really think they need to throw some goodies towards dual coloured decks. They have devotion for mono coloured and that's working fine. To increase variety it would make sense to try and encourage something else.
December 29, 2013 5:18 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #12
I thought that after RTR block focusing so much on decks with a minimum of 2 colors and with the possibility of 4 and 5 color decks that weren't nearly as unreliable as they should be Wizards was making the entire Theros block more mono-colored focused. For the last 2 1/2 months there have been 2 dominate decks in mono color, but speaking of variety how long before that were mono-color decks simply unplayable because they were too easy to hose?
December 29, 2013 5:28 p.m.
YouGotFranked says... #13
@ChiefBell i hope you're not talking about the "Delver era". That was one of the most boring standard season i ever saw.
December 29, 2013 5:39 p.m.
I hope they thought of something similar to Phyrexian mana. The 2-point shock to cast a card definitely fits in the mythology (sacrifice to a god)
December 29, 2013 5:39 p.m.
Ok, I see that point. I'm really hoping they make a creature based removal option for green. Can't wait to see what new comes out!
December 29, 2013 6:01 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #16
Yeah, I think ChiefBell meant the inn/rtr block, that was a very rich meta after scars rotated out. It was a brewers paradise
December 29, 2013 6:23 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #18
Sure was, I don't want delver era back again, blue and black need to be very careful with the cards they print this set or its going to break the meta
December 29, 2013 8:38 p.m.
ShadowLand says... #20
I would love to see some decent tutor cards, I don't know how they would fit into the theme though
December 29, 2013 9:32 p.m.
MonsterFinder221 says... #21
more 1/1 green flying creatures for one Green mana.
December 30, 2013 10:10 a.m.
ShadowLand says... #23
Oh man that would be all I would need to get Ashen Rider to be a real threat in my orzhov deck Walrusyn, I really hope we see some black discard this set. I would serve two functions. Both for re-animator to be a real thing, and for having people discard cards after you thoughtseize or duress them.
December 30, 2013 7:22 p.m.
@ShadowLand: Well, I play with Rise/Fall on my Rakdos Infection deck. Better than Wrench Mind but not as good as Hymn to Tourach . Hymn to Tourach is pure awesomeness. It would be great to have it in Modern :)
December 30, 2013 7:30 p.m.
lookoutimscary says... #26
Honestly, something to help out White Devotion because Evangel of Heliod sucks. A boost for Green Devotion would be nice too!
December 30, 2013 11:13 p.m.
lookoutimscary says... #27
Maybe even Enchantment Lands, but those might end up being OP like the Artifact Lands
December 30, 2013 11:15 p.m.
I always look at Golgari Longlegs and I'm like, this could be a Stalker Hag but with just non-basic landwalk right now... and it'd be like $8.
December 31, 2013 12:59 a.m.
shaistyone says... #29
White needs a devotion-based Light from Within .
Remade Pillage as 1WR that hits land or enchantment.
And some further exploration of the monstrous mechanic. When a creature is monstrous, you could:
Draw cards
have to sacrifice it at tend of turn
have it make other things cheaper
actually make it smaller and unblockable!
gain control of opponent's things
etc.
etc.
For wipe, Mutilate variant based off of devotion
Last Stand variant based around devotion
December 31, 2013 1:08 p.m.
Maro, the Sneaky 1BB
Creature - Scarecrow
1BB Monstrous -2: When Maro, the Sneaky becomes monstous, it becomes unblockable ang gains shroud.
4/4
(joke mockup take none of it seriously to the flavor of the set).
December 31, 2013 1:28 p.m.
Well, how about a insanely since the'they've done a G/U planeswalker, and we've never had one, how about rapish R/B planeswalker!
December 31, 2013 4:48 p.m.
lookoutimscary says... #33
Prehstun there was Sarkhan the Mad he's a R/B Planeswalker..
December 31, 2013 5:20 p.m.
"...it would give the creature decks a real edge..."
I'm sorry; creature decks don't already rule the format?
December 31, 2013 8:29 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #35
Come to think of it I would love a good aggressive 1 drop either white or R/W hybrid. Heroic would just make it better.
As to the people saying that they hope white gets some devotion cards; although I wouldn't object since devoted white weenies would be awesome to play, I believe that I read somewhere that while all 5 colors have all of the new mechanics in them that White is the predominate heroic color, Blue and Black are where the concentration of devotion cards are, and Green and Red are where the monsters are. To support this and to compile the data for myself to see if what I read was right(multicolored cards being counted for each color)
Heroic:
White- 7
Red- 4
Blue- 4
Green- 3
Black- 2
Devotion:
Black- 5
Green- 4
Blue- 2
Red- 2
White- 2
Monstrosity:
Green- 6
Red- 5
White- 2
Blue- 2
Black- 2
So It looks like blue just doesn't get any of the new mechanics although other than that it was accurate. The return of scry was of course good to Blue with 12 non-land scrys and red in second at 6. Apparently the loest CMC god and one powerful other devotion card was enough to make me think blue had a lot of devotion cards.
December 31, 2013 8:40 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #36
I'd like to see a prison card like Crawlspace be released, just so I can use Kiora, the Crashing Wave more effectively in a BUG build.
January 1, 2014 2:50 a.m.
KnightsBattlecry001 says... #37
I'd love to see more unique heroic effects. Most of the heroic stuff we have in Theros is just put a +1/+1 counter on the creature with heroic. I'd like to see heroic be mixed up a bit.
January 1, 2014 3:50 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #39
I would rather have a Propaganda effect than Crawlspace since it is a tempo move as well a way to lessen the damage that can get through. I love the idea to prevent attacks for long enough to actually use Kiora, the Crashing Wave although she is still good enough that I see removal getting used on her without a second thought.
January 1, 2014 9:04 a.m.
A good Rakdos Planeswalker would also be great... Almost sure it won't happen though.
January 1, 2014 10:38 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #42
No, the point of a prison card for Kiora, the Crashing Wave is to be able to use her +1 effectively Gidgetimer, shutting down the opponent's creatures while I control the rest of their field in a BUG build. She works as a stall for when their is no answer for the creature they just played. Having a prison card allows for her +1 to work even against creature heavy decks. I could care less about her -5 ability, as that isn't important in a BUG build when you are chipping away at their life with Dark Confidant , Snapcaster Mage , Vendilion Clique , Deathrite Shaman and Tarmogoyf .
Though I'm not even too sure she would be that effective enough even with the prison card to warrant using her in modern, as what is currently there is really good at keeping the board level anyways. She might end up as a sideboard option again.
January 1, 2014 2:20 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #43
I'm unsure of what I said that makes you think I was fixated on the ult. I like Propaganda better than Crawlspace overall because it basically makes you opponent decide if they want to swing or cast spells. Even on turn 4 and 5 only 2 opponent creatures can swing ( same # as Crawlspace ) but even later when they can pay 6 to swing with 3, FFS they just paid 6 mana to swing. If you are only trying to +1 or -1 once then you don't need any effects to save her. But she is powerful enough even when taking into account the first 2 abilities that I see her getting hit with Lightning Strike and Hero's Downfall a lot
January 1, 2014 6:53 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #44
"I love the idea to prevent attacks for long enough to actually use Kiora, the Crashing Wave ..." - Gidgetimer
Sentence doesn't make too much sense as you don't have to wait long at all. Turn 3(or 2) play your prison, turn 4(or 3) play Kiora. So the only waiting you'll be doing is for her ult.
January 1, 2014 6:57 p.m.
megawurmple says... #45
Femme_Fatale I agree. I can't really see Kiora making waves in Modern (see what I did there?). However, I can't really see her in many sideboards either. What would you side her in against? Also, if you're "chipping away at their life total with Tarmogoyf ", you're doing something horribly wrong. Goyf does not chip away, he tears out massive swathes in one go.
A new prison-type effect would be really good. I think it would do a lot to change up Standard. It hoses mono-U and (to an extent) mono-B devotion, so it would stop them from being so dominant. It would also help to push the heroic mechanic and encourage voltron decks which Theros wants to happen really badly given the focus on enchantments and the presence of Ethereal Armor in Standard.
I also think some cheap bestow would be good. Something nice and simple like a 1/2 for 1 with bestow for 2. It would make bestow playable.
January 1, 2014 7:12 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #46
2GU for a sorcery speed Pay No Heed isn't "using" the Planeswalker. Using her is being able to get at least 2 +1s out of her or going into a damage prevention / card advantage and ramp +1, -1 cycle
January 1, 2014 7:14 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #47
I'm going by the English definition Gidgetimer. Not an altered one.
Your right about Kiora, the Crashing Wave not really doing much in in sideboard either TitansFTW. In standard against Desecration Demon and the likes yes, but there aren't many colours who could use her effectively enough to be able to work well in tournaments. I guess it is just a matter of waiting for more spoils, see what happens to ride the waves.
January 1, 2014 7:22 p.m.
I want white devotion. Search 'Devotion' with the color white in Standard on Gatherer and you will find a grand total of...2 cards! Heliod, God of the Sun and Evangel of Heliod ...That's it?!
Yup. They made a set that focuses on devotion and mono colors. White symbolizes order, and white could also symbolize the divine. If white is weenies and weenies are human, why are there only two white cards that use devotion when white should have the most devotion anyways?!
Answer this for me, WotC, and I may just be happy.
January 1, 2014 7:45 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #49
My mistake I should have said " I love the idea to prevent attacks for long enough to actually make Kiora, the Crashing Wave useful". Since without protection she is either 2GU for Pay No Heed or Explore which either way is overcosted.
January 1, 2014 8:11 p.m.
Esper wouldn't care that much about Damnation, since Lotleth Troll isn't a big thing and Blue Devotion can counter it. It couldn't even replace the rare singleton Planar Clensing or Merciless Eviction, since these are mostly for superfriend matchups.
Black Devotion wouldn't use it, because killing your own mana symbols and swing Gary for two seems... Stupid...? Also, I need Damnation to make Grixis and/or Black Control work. Screw white... I hate white...
But aside from that, I enjoy utility lands. Desolate Lighthouse and the other Innistrad lands were awesome and still have a place in my commander decks.
Wizard of the Damned says... #1
Damnation would probably in the set after Born of the Gods. Into nyx or something of that nature? Seems like it would fit that set a little better
December 29, 2013 1:01 a.m.