Commander 2019...
Spoilers, Rumors, and Speculation forum
Posted on Aug. 1, 2019, 9:32 p.m. by ZendikariWol
I know this is weird to say but do these new commanders come off as unabusable to any of the rest of you folks? The most breakable (in a good way) looks to be Anje Falkenrath but even she doesn’t have a high margin of breakability.
It just feels like these commanders tell you very bluntly how to use them. There aren’t many subtle interactions, and none of them have an ability that can trigger 2+ times per turn. Sevinne, the Chronoclasm can do something on everyone else’s turn and that’s cool but...
Idk. Anybody with me here? Anybody else, who could perhaps make me more optimistic? I’m good with either.
ShutUpMokuba says... #2
For what that matters the command zone guys said that the sultai deck might be among the best commander pre cons ever released.. That means it might not totally suck even it's probably not that good either.. (i haven't had the time to sit down and look at every card at the moment so i'll just report that for now)
August 6, 2019 3:56 a.m.
Do not listen to the command zone guys on this one - they have exlusive rights to preview the full decks. If they want that level of access again, they will say the decks are the best thing since sliced bread, for every deck.
Personally, it is a fine, but not exciting deck. It is a bit too linear and the new cards are not exciting enough. I will be buying some cheap singles, like Ash Barrens or more Command Tower .
August 6, 2019 4:12 a.m.
ShutUpMokuba says... #4
Well they lost a lot of credibility when they said 2018 pre cons were great.. Being sponsored by wizard itself does make them not totally trustworthy.. However i wanted to report their opinion
August 6, 2019 4:52 a.m.
I looked at the Sultai decklist and here are my two cents:
Pros:
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solid land base
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good artifact reprints
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good ramp reprints
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some of the new cards look interesting
Cons:
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no Dream Chisel (as I predicted)
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unimpressive morph package
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no boardwipes (only Bane of the Living which is not Toxic Deluge )
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vraska inclusion is both flavour and value fail
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relatively low value with reptint price adjustment maybe you could brake even at best.
Solid B-
August 6, 2019 5:33 a.m.
I don't think they made a tier 1 morph deck, but they certainly made a 70% deck here.
I feel like a large part of these morph cards would do well in a Yarok deck too.
They didn't make anything truly busted, but that's our job to make busted decks anyway.
August 6, 2019 9:39 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #7
Staizer - Get ready for a long response:
I did look at the same list as you did, but as a longtime morph player, this deck is a disappointment. I've already made my thoughts on Kadena clear so I'll make that response short.
Kadena:
A bland Sultai value engine that brings nothing new to the table. She isn't a bad card by any means, but she doesn't address any of morph's biggest weaknesses. I'd still play Animar, Soul of Elements , Kruphix, God of Horizons , Muldrotha, the Gravetide , and maybe even the new Bant brawl commander over her.
The choice of morph/manifest related reprints
Some fine inclusions. Ixidron , Stratus Dancer , and Vesuvan Shapeshifter are nice, but they chose to exclude most of the best morph/manifest related cards: Dream Chisel , Ixidor, Reality Sculptor , Whisperwood Elemental , Riptide Entrancer , Voidmage Prodigy , Voidmage Apprentice , Aphetto Runecaster , Primordial Mist , Obscuring AEther , Unblinking Bleb , Weaver of Lies , Brine Elemental (though this one actually makes sense), and even Backslide . I would never expect all or even most of those to make it into the deck, but a couple would've been nice and would've made more sense than something like Deathmist Raptor or Silumgar Assassin .
Value reprints
Not much to complain about here as there is some solid value in the deck, though I think Cloudstone Curio or Equilibrium would've been good value reprints that interact well with the theme mechanic.
New cards
Only Scroll of Fate and Kadena's Silencer are worth mentioning here. I know I sound like a broken record, but none of the new cards help address the issues facing morph: speed and the fact that morph is a value based mechanic that requires a massive mana investment. Morph will always be a casual mechanic, but it needs something that reduces the cost of triggering morph, or something that allows for multiple activations (my hope was for repeatable Backslide effects). Neither of those issues were addressed by the new cards in this deck. I would've been happy with just 1 card that helps in that way...1 card.
Is this a good pre-con for new players? Yes. Does it have value? Yes, though most of the value cards are only that way due to scarcity. I think many will end up tanking in price. Will it win games against the other pre-cons? Probably. Will it win games against even 60% decks? Unlikely.
So is it a good pre-con and I am being extra critical? Maybe, but this mechanic has had a special place in my heart for a very long time (Morph was first introduced when I was a little kid and just starting out playing Magic). I was excited to see morph finally get some needed reprints and support. Instead the new cards aren't that inspiring and the reprints honestly look like they just pulled up Gatherer, typed in "morph", and then picked some of the first things that they found.
August 6, 2019 11:44 a.m.
ShutUpMokuba says... #8
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor when you say that the deck won't likely beat 60% of the decks you mean other pre cons or every deck? Because in the second case it seems unlikely to me that any pre cons would ever win 60% or more matches against not precons decks...
August 6, 2019 11:56 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #9
I mean't the other pre-cons in this set, and "60%" is referring to 60% power level decks (usually a step above a pre-con or a slightly modified pre-con).
August 6, 2019 12:01 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #10
One more thing I'd like to say because I think this is important, and then I'll shut up:
I have been very vocal about what I perceive as issues with this particular deck. This is my opinion. If anyone on here who was excited about the morph deck sees my earlier comments, and afterwards feels less excited about the deck then I say: Don't be deterred.
If you find the deck interesting or exciting, then go pick it up, play it, enjoy it! After all, Magic, and especially Commander, is all about having fun. If you see a card or deck that energizes you to play, don't let some rando on the internet (or even people you know in person) stop you from playing what you want. I doubt that I changed anyone's opinion with my earlier complaints, but I just wanted to say that in case my comments did negatively impact someone's desire to try the new morph deck.
climbs off of soap box
August 6, 2019 12:24 p.m.
ShutUpMokuba says... #11
Opinions are important because they make us see other prospectives.. It's up to the reader to have a critic mind to give the right importance to each one... A list of comments like "this is the best deck ever!" it's pretty useless.. However your last comment shows that you have the right attitude..
August 6, 2019 12:52 p.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #12
I usually buy all 4 and then me and my buddies play em after they are released. I was worried initially because two of my friends were dead set on playing the morph deck.
Then they spoiled the Legendary Wall and one of my friends apparently died and went to heaven.
When it comes to precon playability I think having a commander that can draw a steady stream of cards will go a long way when playing against other precons. I can easily see Kadena winning a lot of games vs. the other decks. However now that i know the flashback deck is also a pillowfort deck all bets are off lol
August 6, 2019 2:31 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #13
I am not at all happy about the reprint of Ixidron, since that card can completely ruin decks that have no way to turn their cards face-up, again.
However, the new version of Volrath is awesome (although 5 mana for a 7/5 is definitely overpowered, in my mind), and I am excited that each deck shall contain a new incarnation of a character from the Weatherlight saga (I personally am hoping to see new incarnations of Barrin, Crovax, and/or Ertai for the final two). I personally believe that he should have been only black and blue, because I do not believe that either his personality or abilities are green, but I suppose that having three colors in his mana cost is what allows his overall cost to be so low.
The reprint of Thespian's Stage is excellent, and I cannot believe that it was never printed in a Commander set before this.
Rayami is almost certainly from Zendikar, judging from her (I shall presume that Rayami is female, form the name) body paint, but from what plane is Grismold?
The artwork on gift of doom is insanely awesome, and I especially appreciate the dark atmosphere that it evokes.
Did Exotic Orchard really need another reprint? Would it really have been that difficult for WotC to have reprinted Reflecting Pool , instead?
However, the reprint of Thran Dynamo is always appreciated, since its price is still high, even after all of its previous reprints (which is evidence of how amazing a card it is), and the same is true for Reliquary Tower , as well.
I also do appreciate the reprint of Opulent Palace , so I hope that WotC reprints both Jungle Shrine and Mystic Monastery in the appropriately-colored decks, as well.
The reprint of Sol Ring was expected, but I really wish that WotC would not reprint it in every Commander deck, since it was once a very rare card, but now is very commonplace.
With dockside extortionist, I see that WotC is continuing the trend of small and inexpensive creatures that shall prove to be supremely annoying, with two earlier examples being Treasure Nabber and Collector Ouphe .
It is nice to see that WotC is reprinting the battle lands, or at least three of them; why could they not have reprinted all of them, or at least have reprinted Canopy Vista , as well? Sungrass Prairie is a nice card, but it has already been reprinted, and Temple Garden , Wooded Bastion , and Canopy Vista are all vastly superior to it.
Mandate of peace will definitely annoy players of aggressive decks that focus on combat; I like the card, but its mana cost is definitely too low; I personally believe that it could have cost and been perfectly balanced.
Thalia’s geistcaller is very nice, but, with only 1 toughness, is far too vulnerable to remain around for a sufficient duration to have a major impact upon a game without major protection; at least she has the ability to protect herself.
Empowered autogenerator could have been nice if it either cost 1 mana less or did not enter the battlefield tapped, because it is far too slow as it currently is; I shall keep Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chalice in my Atraxa EDH deck and Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus in all my other EDH decks, because they are far faster and can more easily produce large amounts of mana.
With ignite the future, I believe that this is the first time that a card has said “until the end of your next turn,” which is an interesting new ability, but I do hope that WotC uses it sparingly, to prevent it from being abused.
Backdraft hellkite is very nice, with it being a repeatable version of Snapcaster Mage , and I like how it continues the trend of creatures that provide interesting and powerful effects upon attacking, with prominent previous examples being Hellkite Charger and Aurelia, the Warleader . At only 5 mana, that is a really good bargain, in my mind.
Wow! This game finally has a legendary wall! It took twenty-six years, but WotC finally printed such a card! Its effect is nice, but rather weird.
The reprint of Ghostly Prison is very nice, but I am very displeased that none of the reprints have re-used the original art, since I feel that the original art does a better job of conveying the idea of the card’s effect.
August 6, 2019 7:11 p.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #14
Let's speculate about the missing Weatherlight legend:
We already know three out of four:
The morph deck gets Volrath. The madness deck gets K'rrik. The flashback deck gets Gerrad. We get some hints about the possible fourth character from the populate deck:
- the character might be represented in all of the main commanders colours OR in one colour less. As we recently got new card for mirri and sisay, WG seems to be out. Gerrad already is WR, so this is out as well, which leaves us with another Naya legend or a Gruul one. Knowing WotC likes symmetry, we'll propably get two heroes and two foes. With only Gerrad as a hero for now, another heroic character seems realistically. I could imagine we'd get a Gruul Tahngarth, but I'm not very deep into the old lore, so I don't know if the minotaur has any green characteristics at all. Unfortunately, I have no idea for a possible naya legend. Any Vorthoses here to help me out with this?
August 7, 2019 2:13 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi The most likely candidates would probably be a pre-spark Daria, a seemingly selesnya colored mage or a pre-spark freyalise. But now that I’m looking at Tahngarths lore, he seems to fit into naya colors perfectly, Tahngarth was very battle intensive(red) he was good hearted(white) and hated the abnormal mutations that eventually corrupted his body due to yawgmoths minions(green). Honestly I could see him being one of the three face legends of the naya deck.
August 7, 2019 3:19 a.m.
What about a new Starke of Rath ? He was technically a crew member...
The only other candidate is Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary , who can be GW or RG or Naya, depending when in his life he is portrayed.
August 7, 2019 3:36 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #17
If we are going the hero route then I'd expect the last Weatherlight legend to be Tahngarth. The Naya shard fits his personality/lore well enough and I thought Gavin Verhey mentioned him in his list of characters that need another card. I could be wrong on that last one though.
Also, Pramikon, Sky Rampart is freaking hilarious and I love it. I am trying to decide if it's better to just go full pillow fort, forced combat, or both with the legendary wall.
August 7, 2019 8:24 a.m.
multimedia says... #18
I'm disappointed in Jeskai Mystic Intellect(scroll down). It honestly looks like a complete mess :( It lacks any real strategy or reason for having certain cards? It's like a completely different team made this precon than Faceless Menace. Wizards really has zero idea of how to build a noncreature centric Commander precon.
Nothing in Mystic Intellect comes close to Scroll of Fate and Seedborn Muse 's power level in Faceless Menace and the rest of the value in precon is sparse:
- Sol Ring
- Dockside Extortionist
- Elsha of the Infinite
- Backdraft Hellkite
- Ignite the Future
- Ash Barrens
- Ghostly Prison
- Command Tower
- Sun Titan
- River Kelpie
- Prairie Stream
- Exotic Orchard
I was holding out hope that the secondary Commanders in the Jeskai deck would be good and thankfully one of them is. My only reason to get this precon is Elsha of the Infinite as she's an actual General that makes sense for Jeskai since her prowess ability is powered by her other other abilities. She's a threat to do Commander damage with prowess, card advantage using the top of my library, infinite combos, flash for sorceries/artifacts/enchantments.
Mono red is getting some goodies in the precon. Dockside Extortionist is a good blink target and can potentially make a lot of ramp the turn it's played which is good for a two drop. He could become a red Commander staple depending on what price he levels at. I like that he's a Pirate since Pirates need more good cards. Treasure strategies needed a low mana cost efficient way to make treasures to go with Smothering Tithe which by the way is good upgrade for this precon especially if against Faceless Menace.
Backdraft Hellkite looks powerful, Past in Flames on a stick, more repeatable card advantage in mono red. Seems excellent with powerful burn Price of Progress . Flying of Hellkite is helpful to be able to potentially attack again with it, but it needs haste.
Ignite the Future is a super charged Light Up the Stage , but it has too high of a flashback cost which is unfortunately ruining the theme in the entire precon. It's good in the precon with Backdraft Hellkite . With Kess, Dissident Mage as General since can get the bonus of potentially playing three free spells with it for only four mana.
August 7, 2019 9:19 a.m. Edited.
LittleBlueHero says... #19
So I don't know if Gavin Misspoke but he said that there were still 2 weatherlight saga legends to be spoiled after we new about Volrath K'rrik and Gerrard.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is one yet to be revealed for teh naya AND the rakdos deck.
I really want Tahngarth, it might be cool to get a new Tsabo Tavoc too with some new twist on legendary hate.
August 7, 2019 9:49 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #20
Speak of the devil, Tahngarth was just spoiled and he is pretty spicey.
August 7, 2019 10:09 a.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #21
His ability is pretty unique, I like how you can send your commander damage all over the place!
August 7, 2019 10:12 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #22
Sorry for the double post, but I find it interesting that takes Voltron to a whole new level. Just drop some Swords of X/Y on him and then run card's like Grand Melee and he will always attack!
August 7, 2019 10:12 a.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #23
Im really excited by all the naya commanders... they aren't overpowered or anything but they offer interesting direction for deck building.
I really want to try naya aristocrats with the new Atla Palani, Nest Tender.
August 7, 2019 11:05 a.m.
DrukenReaps says... #24
Mairsil, the Pretender just got one of the crazier activated abilities I've seen for him in awhile... Pendant of Prosperity becomes draw 2 and play up to 2 lands!
August 7, 2019 11:14 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #25
So I've benn right about Tahngarth. Nice. The new ohran frostfang is incredible. And then, there is Marisi...guess I'll go for the Naya deck.
August 7, 2019 11:16 a.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #26
The more I think about it the more I love the idea of Atla as a dinosaur commander. I currently run Marath, Will of the Wild and while Atla isn't better (Marath is freaking broken), I think it will make the deck more fun to play against and allow me to drop more dinos, which is the point anyway.
The eggs play really well with enrage, which seems to be an ability they keep going back to.
August 7, 2019 11:24 a.m.
multimedia I was looking at building Mizzix deck here (non lab man version) with the flash back theme leaked I figure I would wait and see and I already know the main commander is meh.
Then you start looking and bam Elsha of the Infinite and now I am torn do i build a deck around her instead of Mizzix because it looks like you can have some real fun with her.
Now I really like some of the cards in Mystic Intellect deck but the deck screams terrible.
Really your only counter spell is a 5 cost piece of hot garbage with a 7 cost buy back basically you have no real counter spells in a deck focused on spells that has blue. Really wizards you would have been better of putting old school counterspell which is a common and cheap and a classic commander card as the only counterspell instead you put one of the worse flashback cards ever designed in the deck Fervent Denial
August 7, 2019 11:28 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #28
LittleBlueHero - I am pleasantly surprised at the Naya deck commanders. A lot of them seem interesting. If you would've told me before spoilers started that the Naya deck would interest me most, I would've laughed. Now the Madness deck could change all that tomorrow (Rakdos is my favorite color pair after all), but this Naya deck looks fun.
Atla does seem quite interesting as another Dino commander. She is a nice alternate to Gishath. He is big and beats face (promoting the combat oriented side of dinos), while Atla encourages a more value approach (encouraging capitalizing on the enrage mechanic).
As an aside, Atla + Thornbite Staff + Ashnod's Altar plays every creature from your deck.
Also, Atla's 2nd mechanic says "Egg" in stead of "Egg token". She works with Changelings too.
August 7, 2019 11:54 a.m.
Coward_Token says... #29
Same as _neighbor with regards to the expected quality of the Naya legends. I like that Marisi (and to a lesser extent neo-Tahngarth) plays in the same space as Gahiji, Honored One , that kind of aikido-esque use of enemy resources against each other (as opposed to just directly against themselves) is a neat use of the multiplayer part of EDH,
August 7, 2019 12:06 p.m.
multimedia says... #30
hejtmane, you can play Mizzix of the Izmagnus in a deck with Elsha of the Infinite as General :)
With Elsha one of the strongest things about her is pseudo Future Sight from the Command Zone, but you want a lot of top of the library manipulation because she doesn't let you play lands from the top. You need to be able to filter lands away from the top of your library (lots of repeatable scry) or draw the lands to get more out of her.
Elsha can be versatile don't have use a spellslinger theme since she works with artifacts and enchantments too; those cards trigger prowess and get flash. I think any nongreen blue General who can have interaction with casting mana rocks in the mid to late game has an advantage over other potential Generals. What may separate Elsha from the other possible Jeskai Commanders is her ability to give flash to noncreature spells which could make her an excellent control General. Kykar, Wind's Fury is also a good new Jeskai General especially with Jeskai Ascendancy .
August 7, 2019 1:57 p.m.
multimedia My goal was to build a type of spell slinger deck i do not really have one. Thanks for the scry tip I will put that in for sure. Now the question is do I do this hybrid storm/prowess concept floating around in my head. I wanted to avoid the standard burn through my deck slap down lab/jace I win game.
Now the hard part taking that concept and building a deck and making it work.
August 7, 2019 7:06 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #32
Holy crap! The Madness deck is pulling out some heaters today:
Greven Il Vec's new card is awesome. Anyone like a repeatable Hatred slapped onto a value engine? I just wish he was a bit more aggressively costed.
New Chainer looks sweet as well and probably should be the go-to non-combo madness commander. He won't be replacing OG Chainer anytime soon, but he does add an interesting aggressive twist to the usual slower, value based reanimator strategies.
Nightmare Unmaking is a one sided exile wrath that I can get behind.
and Aeon Engine is just weird, fun, jank!
August 8, 2019 12:42 p.m.
SynergyBuild says... #33
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor I agree, imagine Greven for , and 6/2 stats.
August 8, 2019 12:47 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #34
Yeah 4 mana and 6 power would've been perfect. That way he comes out much quicker, but avoids naturally falling into the 3 hit club as his ability will do that for him. Still though, I am quite excited to try him out.
August 8, 2019 12:53 p.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #35
WotC is putting me through a rollercoaster with these decks. When I saw the commanders, I was sure to want the madness deck. Then the morph deck had Volrath. Then came the populate deck showing off with Tahngarth and some cool cards for different decks of mine. And finally, today I had to swing around once more after seeing Chainer, Greven and all the other insane cards in there. So if the list doesn't totally super-suck, I'll buy the crap out off that deck.
Dayum.
Now I'm calm again.
August 8, 2019 1:16 p.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #36
Ffs, that anti- Waste Not is so freaking beautiful.
August 8, 2019 2:03 p.m.
ShutUpMokuba says... #37
The madness deck looks fine.. I don't get why Ob nixilis is in.. Make fun of me but i hoped they put tibalt as pw since he makes you discard cards and come on we are talking about a madness themed deck.. I must decide which one to pick between this one and the morph one..
August 8, 2019 7:04 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #38
I am not fond of aeon engine, because reversing turn order is not a very useful effect, and can be abused to prevent a player from taking a turn; such effects should have been kept in un-sets, in my mind.
However, that new version of Chainer is quire awesome; is he the fourth character from the Weatherlight saga to be given a new card? I hope not, since he lived long after that story was over. The fact that the creatures that he reanimates do not become nightmares is a flavor fail, unfortunately. I now wonder if there shall be a new version of Braids in the future, or perhaps a card of Chainer’s mentor, Skellum?
Bloodthirsty blade is a very unique and interesting design, and does anyone here think that that is Gerrard in the artwork, when he and Urza were forced to fight each other?
The reprint of Geth is nice, since he has become expensive, recently.
That new demon is quite awesome, as it is essentially a second Phyrexian Obliterator for this format; its mana cost is rather high, but the fact that it has madness helps to balance that.
At this point, reprints of Akroma's Memorial and Vedalken Orrery are highly unlikely, but a reprint of Overabundance would be very awesome, indeed, and would perfectly fit the red/white/green deck.
Skyfire phoenix is a very nice card, and I especially appreciate the artwork; does it remind anyone here of the Firebird segment of Disney’s Fantasia 2000?
Yes, there is a new version of Greven! I especially like how his artwork is a dark parallel to the artwork in the new version Gerrard, although I do not remember if the two of them ever fight (although I still am reading Prophecy, and have not yet reached the Invasion cycle in the novels).
That reprint of Soul Foundry is great; it was not terribly expensive, but it still was long overdue for a reprint, in my mind; since I started playing this game in 2003, when I was still in high school, I have many fond memories (and some not-so-fond) of that card.
The reprint of Pristine Angel is also nice, but I do wish that she had been given new art for it. I actually am surprised that WotC did not reprint Luminous Angel , because she would have been perfect for the populate deck.
Mire in misery is definitely a bend for black, but at least it does not outright destroy enchantments.
August 8, 2019 7:12 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #39
Hmm, so after some thought I think I'll pick up the Madness deck. It just has so many reprints/new cards that fit my play style and current decks. However, I will definitely be picking up a copy of Atla Palani, Nest Tender . She is everything that Mayael wishes she could be (my first commander deck). Naya beef will live again!
DemonDragonJ - Chainer was from the Mirari conflict. The Weatherlight Saga characters printed here are Greven, Gerrard, Squee, Volrath, and Tahngarth.
August 8, 2019 9:30 p.m.
Coward_Token says... #40
About Mire and the color pie: https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/186869030893/just-saw-mire-in-misery-this-is-the-black
August 9, 2019 12:43 a.m.
So all of the decks have been leaked and here’s my take on the decks as a whole. Sultai Morph looks well built and has great functionality, you could drop 20$ bucks and get it too a really good level if you exclude obvious power cards like tutors and such. Naya Populate is easily the best built out of the 4 decks, there’s only really 4-5 cards I’d even bother taking out. It’s also probably the best deck for a new player to pick up since it’s the easiest to play. Jeskai flashback...suffers from really just the card selection. There’s a lot of stuff in here that make me question what went wrong, a lot of the cards are just bad at what they are doing or don’t help the decks central theme of graveyard spellslinging, easily the worst built of the four decks. Rakdos madness is well built, but a lot of the madness cards are effects that you don’t want to run in commander. Around half of the madness cards are bad removal or direct damage effects. On top of that, a couple of madness cards will usually end up being vanilla creatures that don’t do anything since they are bad at accommplish what they want to do. All in all I’m happy with the decks this year, I wish they had gone a bit heavier on the reprint side of the decks, but hey, there’s always next year and these are definitely an improvement on last years decks.
August 9, 2019 1:34 p.m.
Honestly the decks aren't bad for starter decks, but like the new commanders are interesting to say the least. The madness deck just doesn't seem that good though overall, but I also think that's just the inherit issue with a lot of madness effects, as Grixis776 said. I think the new commanders all are interesting new options and should fill some cool new deck types in the formula.
August 9, 2019 8:16 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #43
So I was reading Greven, Predator Captain again and uhh...he is much stronger than I initially thought. Notice the wording of his first ability. It doesn't say "until end of turn". So any damage you take permanently pumps him.
August 9, 2019 8:52 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #44
Nevermind...not reading the card correctly. Ignore me.
August 9, 2019 9:06 p.m.
ZendikariWol says... #45
Whoa! That would be a little crazy, Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor! But even as is, Greven is pretty friggin good news for Jund Aristocrats.
August 9, 2019 9:17 p.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #46
I'll definitely add Greven to Kresh the Bloodbraided . Will be a blast to play.
I can't decide yet what to do with K'rrik. He seems incredibly powerful and I'll definitely play him with Aetherflux Reservoir . I'm not yet sure about Lich's Mastery though. That would be a risky, but powerful plan.
August 10, 2019 12:30 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #47
So after some time to simmer down and actually evaluate the individual cards of the Morph deck, I realized that I may just have to switch out The Mimeoplasm for Volrath, the Shapestealer as the commander of my clone/steal deck.
Sudden Substitution might need to find a way into that deck as well.
August 13, 2019 7:25 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #48
I am very disappointed that Godsire was not reprinted in Ghired's deck, as it would have been perfect for that deck, but I suppose that WotC does not wish to print powerful or valuable cards in preconstructed decks, as unfortunate as that is.
multimedia says... #1
Dig deeper into the Sultai Morph precon decklist and you can find lot of reason to buy it. The manabase alone may be one of the better manabases for a three color Commander precon. Eleven nonbasic lands ETB untapped which is by precon standards an improvement from past precon manabases.
Why are the Signet lands ( Darkwater Catacombs ) being printed as rare lands? These lands don't actually make mana without having another land/one mana first, this is not an ability that's rare. These should be uncommon since they're much worse than Filter lands ( Sunken Ruins ) which are also rare lands.
Land value in the precon (in order):
I'm happy to see Ash Barrens reprinted because it's land that should be in every Commander precon. There's 17 two drops which is an improvement for precon deck building. Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer , Scroll of Fate and Kadena's Silencer look like good cards for morph. Silencer will however not hold at $10 of value it will decrease a lot. I don't know enough about the 13 other new cards to evaluate their value in the precon.
Valuable reprints in the Sultai deck (in order):
Some notable exclusions for a morph theme:
August 6, 2019 3:53 a.m.