[Community Discussion]: Journey into Nyx reactions
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Posted on April 10, 2014, 4:35 p.m. by Epochalyptik
Let's talk JOU.
What cards impress you so far? What seems overhyped? Are there any cards you can't wait to get your hands on?
HorrorAvengers says... #2
I love pharika for my jund shattergang brothers EDH deck. Group hug someone, give them good blockers, or fuck everyone and use the snakes to sac.
April 14, 2014 12:20 a.m.
Am I the only one that thinks pharika is terrible? I honestly think that she's down there with the selesnya god. Even once you get her online with her ability it seems really clunky. The other gods just seem better. At this point, god rankings for me go 1. Athreos 2. Iroas 3. Kruphix 4. Keranos and pharika at 5. Kruphix goes higher than Keranos because there is already a sort of simic deck out there, and he's better in commander. Athreos seems like a powerhouse in any B/W aggro deck. What are you guys' thoughts on the gods?
April 14, 2014 1:16 a.m.
Pharika isn't very good directly, but Golgari has gotten so much hate these few blocks that people REALLY want to make Golgari work.
April 14, 2014 1:23 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #5
Pharika is fairly meh. Even online a 5/5 body isn't all that great.
3 CMC makes her playable, but she certainly isn't game winning.
April 14, 2014 2:04 a.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #7
I am kinda pissed MBD is getting this 1bb 5/5 flyer with the only drawback opponents draw a card on your next upkeep, small price. I'd say nightveil is kapuut after may 2nd in MBD sorry nightveil is going to be a buck again. Why wizards you give drown in sorrow , bile blight, to ruin other devotion decks and now a 5/5 for 3 mana oh and flying. gee I wonder if the deck dominating the format need another huge bone. Anyone else realize whats happening to standard here.
April 14, 2014 2:56 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #8
When I saw pharika, in the flesh, i almost threw up.
I was willing to overlook her utterly terrible art, but she's an enchantment, that DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. It's a complete nombo with Scavenging Ooze and Whip of Erebos , the best possible use for her would be to combo with Domri Rade in jund, but that would be two sets of 3-drops that can't attack or block in one deck.
If you can get her devotion online, a 5/5 indestructible beat stick ain't nothing, but you could play "Master who ate all the food at the feast" and you'd have a 5/5 flyer with a far less depressing downside.
Atheros and thassa shit all over pharika.
April 14, 2014 4:47 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #9
I don't know about you guys but I read her ability as:
BG: Kill an attacking creature that doesn't have evasion or first or double strike.
And reusable kill spells are a good thing, right?
I think she will see play in one of the graveyard based decks that have popped up recently.
April 14, 2014 5:43 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #10
Just saying:
T1 Overgrown Tomb
, Elvish Mystic
T2 Overgrown Tomb
, Pharika, God of Affliction
T3 Forest
, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
-> attack with an indestructible 5/5
April 14, 2014 5:46 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #11
You don't even need the shocks if you have T1 Forest, T2&T3 Swamp.
April 14, 2014 6 a.m.
Master of the Feast is PERFECT for my Nekusar deck. I desperately want a copy.
April 14, 2014 9:36 a.m.
Lordofevolution says... #13
If pharika had exiled any creature from anywhere she would of been amazing but instead we get a awful god, worse than karametra IMO because at least karametra doesn't help opponents
April 14, 2014 10:14 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #14
How does Pharika help opponents? You know you don't actually HAVE to use her ability on your opponent's graveyard. And even if she's no Scavenging Ooze graveyard hate wise, it's still better to have an opposing 1/1 snake with deathtouch than an opposing 5/5 immune to sorcery removal that drains 2 life each turn as just one example.
Also, she combos with Golgari Charm .
April 14, 2014 10:26 a.m.
When I first looked at Pharika I was like: Yesss! 3CMC, then I read her ability and was like: eh? Are you fucking kidding me?
Master of the Feast is a really awesome card though! 5/5 flier for 3 is nothing to be laughed at and in the right shell you don't really mind your opp. drawing an extra card...
Athreos looks like Modern material, but we'll see about that. I think the top contender after JOU is going to be some form of B/W creature deck.
April 14, 2014 10:29 a.m.
Lordofevolution says... #16
How would she get rid of that? You'd have to exile the thing after you already killed it and at that point who cares about it anymore?
April 14, 2014 10:36 a.m.
I know it's already going around, but Athreos, Arcbound and Ornithopters in modern is pretty nutso.
April 14, 2014 12:24 p.m.
RussischerZar says... #18
Lordofevolution: My example was referring to using Whip of Erebos to bring Obzedat into play, after which he will stay due to his exile trigger. Even after you kill him again he can just reappear. Not so much when exiling him in response to the Whip activation.
April 14, 2014 12:34 p.m.
Arorsthrar says... #19
Honostly, with Master of Feasts, wizards is saying "Play black or get out of standard". If your opponent drew an extra card during their upkeep, it would be a little better. The fact that the opponent gets a cases during your upkeep means if has to be instant, which is most characteristic of black. Never thought a turn 3 card could stare down a Stormbreath Dragon , Archangel of Thune .
April 14, 2014 1:19 p.m.
thataddkid says... #20
Dropping master of feasts kills any deck without black or G/W. And guess what black has to hose G/W? Lifebane Zombie ! It's play black, or play anything else and lose.
April 14, 2014 4:15 p.m.
Are people really thinking that Master of the Feast is that great. Wow. Every colour has options to deal with it and card advantage is one of the most crucial aspects of the game. You realise he encourages 0-for1'ing where the opponent deals with him using a card they just drew. He's extremely risky, and if he DOES see massive play I guarantee there'll be some sort of Arrest type card that will be in U or W and do loads of work. It's absolutely mind boggling to think that this card is game breaking. It gives the opponent such a large advantage it's just balanced nicely.
April 14, 2014 4:25 p.m.
I think we really need to think about cards before claiming they'll break the game. Card advantage is hugely, hugely important. A 5/5 for 3 is amazing. Together, it looks fair.
April 14, 2014 4:26 p.m.
Arorsthrar says... #23
After rethinking everything... I see the downside of master of feasts. Not as powerful as I thought before, but definetely a high impact and pressure card.
April 14, 2014 4:35 p.m.
HorrorAvengers says... #24
the card's still spectacular in black aggro. But pacify will be it's biggest enemy.
April 14, 2014 8:22 p.m.
UpsetYoMama says... #25
If you have access to Pacifism . We'll see if it forces white to run it in the sideboard. And even then, cast Devour Flesh on your own Master of the Feast . I think a lot of decks will struggle with dealing with this guy early. Card advantage is nice, but if you take 10 or so damage from him and don't have a kill spell/answer, you may be so far behind it doesn't matter. Then again, it seems like 50% of my games at FNM come within 1-3 life, so you never know.
April 14, 2014 8:33 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #26
Nobody in their right mind runs a card to deal with one card specifically. running Pacifism is about as greedy as it gets. white doesn't need it. since his ability triggers on its owner's upkeep, you can deal with it at instant speed and still get a free card out of it. no need to be more greedy than that. all that being said, Master of the Feast is a very good card. he will see a good amount of play, but I doubt we will see anything to specifically deal with him.
April 14, 2014 10:36 p.m.
Arorsthrar says... #27
A lot of MUD that have splashed white (U/w devotion) already run Pacifism in the SB as an answer to R/G/X monsters, specifically Mistcutter Hydra . And even White Weenie decks have at least considered Pacifism to combat R/G/X monsters. Master of the Feast could be what pushes Pacifism into the sideboard, and definitely isn't specific to him only.
April 14, 2014 10:45 p.m.
UpsetYoMama says... #28
"Nobody in their right mind runs a card to deal with one card specifically." I beg to differ on that one. Most sideboards are made to specifically deal with certain cards. For example, running something like Rootborn Defenses
against control is to deal specifically with Supreme Verdict
. Or Celestial Flare
in white weenies to side in against R/G Monsters to deal with Stormbreath Dragon
. Of course, the more versatile the card, the more matchups it can be used against, the better.
April 14, 2014 11:06 p.m.
HorrorAvengers says... #29
Pacifism is such a versitile card already for white I wouldn't be the lest bit surprised to see pudgy demon push it into the sideboard.
April 14, 2014 11:29 p.m.
Although the versatility of Pacifism is undeniable I'm not likely to be torn away from my playset of Chained to the Rocks anytime soon. haha
April 14, 2014 11:43 p.m.
HorrorAvengers says... #31
gotta run that playset of sacred foundry in mono white just for the chained to the rocks XD
April 14, 2014 11:58 p.m.
I have a Xenagos, God of Revels deck and so I'm excited for Heroes' Bane as well as Dictate of the Twin Gods .However, the card that I'm most excited for is King Macar, the Gold-Cursed .I personally see a lot of potential in this guy, and I'm going to exploit him as best I can since I'm currently find of my EDH Phenax deck (Phenax's Devotion to Amnesia) which takes advantage of tapping for mill then untapping for Inspired.
I'm excited!
April 15, 2014 1:21 a.m.
Does anybody else feel Battlefield Thaumaturge is waiting to be broken. I feel like he is going to be a 4 of in a lot of decks. Curse of the Swine now costs UU. Doomblade costs B. Launch the Fleet costs W to trigger all your heroic. Glimpse the Sun God costs W to tap down their entire field while triggering all your heroic. He just seems super pushed to me.
April 16, 2014 1:26 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #34
Pacifism is not that great against R/G monsters because one of their best cards is Stormbreath Dragon , which has pro white. my point is that all those examples have many other uses. Celestial Flare is really good against a lot of agro strategies. Rootborn Defenses is good against all sorts of removal, not just Supreme Verdict . my point is you are better off removing the threat than getting greedy. Its better to remove the devotion IMO. It's okay if you don't agree with me. after the set comes out, we will see what happens
April 16, 2014 1:34 p.m.
I'm really excited about rebuilding my burn deck with Eidolon of the Great Revel , Boros Reckoner and Dictate of the Twin Gods . Make the deck a bit more Reckoner-combo-ey, maybe with blue for Epic Experiment . Mana bases will be a lot easier with Mana Confluence . I'm also really interested to try out Master of the Feast , maybe in a Rakdos aggro game. The way it triggers on my upkeep both pushes and nerfs it. If an opponent wants to kill it on my end step or their turn, it loses the advantage for them, but it also negates combos with Spirit of the Labyrinth . I think Rakdos blitz could get a lot better this set, with Gnarled Scarhide maybe in the 1-slot, and adding Prophetic Flamespeaker with Madcap Skills . Madcap Skills also makes Pain Seer more viable. It'll be very interesting to see.
April 16, 2014 2:28 p.m.
I'm excited about getting more cards for Notion Thief to work with.
Dakra Mystic = Reveal cards from the top of all libraries... discard them if you don't like your opponents card... otherwise draw 2. - Not bad for a 1-CMC creature!
Master of the Feast = 5/5 Flying, draw an extra card at the beginning of your upkeep. - Not bad for a 3-CMC creature!
Dictate of Kruphix = Draw an extra card during each players draw step. - Awesome for a 3CMC with Flash!
Since each card has merits without Notion Thief , it's still an interesting deck when he doesn't appear/stick around.
Feast of Notions Playtest
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SCORE: 3 | 4 COMMENTS | 106 VIEWSApril 16, 2014 2:48 p.m.
Mark my words, gather up Mana Confluence before it skyrockets. There are so many good aggro cards right now, they're just missing a few pieces. If decent mana fixing is available next block aggro will reign.
April 16, 2014 3:51 p.m.
Eduardogbg says... #38
Why people say that Mana Confluence is better than City of Brass ?
Damage can be prevented, paying a cost can't. A triggered ability is part of the stack, a cost don't even resolve. Abilities can prevent you from paying the 1 life cost, but can't prevent you from tapping City of Brass . Say, who would use a tapping card on your City to deal you 1 damage? Of course Hidden Strings , Ral Zarek and other few. Only.
I'm not saying it's bad, just saying it's not better than City of Brass
April 16, 2014 3:55 p.m.
I really like Eidolon of Blossoms , too. It's obviously worse than some of the other enchantress cards, but strong in-block and strong with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx . It's especially powerful with Fated Intervention . I've mocked up a deck with it, Nyx's Twinkle, and it all seems to work quite well together.
April 16, 2014 4:08 p.m.
Eduardogbg I would say that it's neither better or worse. Frequently, they'll be the same. City of Brass is better when you're at one life, but Mana Confluence is better with things like Prismatic Omen or Underworld Connections . In Legacy, the Death & Taxes archetype runs 4x Rishadan Port , which also makes Mana Confluence slightly better. They're each very strong, but neither is strictly better.
April 16, 2014 4:11 p.m.
Eduardogbg says... #42
I didn't said it was worse, I just said it wasn't (strictly) better.
April 16, 2014 4:26 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #43
These cards seems perfect for each other and that may work well in modern together or maybe use it in other decks that are more janky together
Just seems fun to use.
April 16, 2014 4:31 p.m.
brokendwarf says... #44
Would Battlefield Thaumaturge reduce an Essence Scatter to 1 blue? Or does it not work the way I'm thinking it could?
April 16, 2014 8:03 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #45
ok so anyone else like Pharika, God of Affliction with Eidolon of Blossoms and Pack Rat ? Add Lotleth Troll and Herald of Torment or Master of the Feast .
Golgari Charm
for regen and pairs with pharika if needed for opponents' graveyard control.
Vraska the Unseen or splash Kiora, the Crashing Wave as an alt to pack-rat win-con?
April 16, 2014 8:04 p.m.
Dalektable says... #46
brokendwarf I don't believe that would work, I think it needs to be targeting a creature in play. Essence Scatter is targeting a creature spell as opposed to a creature in play. At least, I believe how that would work.
April 16, 2014 8:06 p.m.
Eduardogbg says... #47
brokendwarf No, wouldn't work. He needs the spell targets a creature card in play, in other words, a creature permanent. Essence Scatter , targets a creature card in the stack, in other words, a creature spell.
April 16, 2014 8:19 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #48
To clarify, whenever an effect references a permanent type or subtype, it references only permanents of that type or subtype unless the effect says "[type] card." Remember that permanents are objects on the battlefield. Spells and cards in other zones are not permanents.
April 17, 2014 12:26 a.m.
Nigeltastic says... #49
My mind just got blown away by the G/B dredge goodness from JOU. Nyx Weaver and Strength of the Fallen are essentially just want was needed to catapult it into amazballs and make Pharika sweet(er).
April 17, 2014 12:36 a.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #50
Mesmeric Fiend is back! Alongside Thoughtseize , Duress , and Lifebane Zombie this is oppressive.
lazypizza says... #1
Pharika's spoiled! Another 3 drop 5/5 that spams 1/1 deathtouchers, prettttttttty good
April 14, 2014 12:13 a.m.