[Community Discussion]: The official Dragons of Tarkir spoiler/speculation discussion
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Posted on March 1, 2015, 1:18 p.m. by Epochalyptik
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Set Info:
Set Name: Dragons of Tarkir
Set Abbreviation: DTK
Release Date: March 27, 2015
Prerelease Events: March 21-22, 2015
Release Events: March 27-29, 2015
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According to MTGS, "An evolution of Manifest will be further explored as a parallel to Morph. Dash and Bolster will return from Fate Reforged. In addition, three new mechanics will be featured."
i don't dislike it per sey, I just think it's a shame, as he's a downgrade from Kolaghan mk1 especially if all the other dragon lords have more useful second abilities in their new forms. Everything having haste is awesome and dangerous and well costed, I will be getting a foil one for my cube and Scion deck, I just think with EDH as a known format, they could have done something different to not make the ability 'switch off' the the format where it would be the most played IMO. Having dead text on a card is annoying and pointless for me haha
March 4, 2015 6:54 a.m.
Just for the record, the new Kolaghan translates as such
"Whenever an opponent cast a creature spell or planeswalker with the same name as a card in YOUR graveyard, that player loses 10 life"
The conjugation prefix "su" comes from soy which means you. So Su means your
March 4, 2015 7:35 a.m.
shepherdofire says... #5
Ob Nixilis, Unshackled and Dragon Lord kaloghan are going to make a combo.
March 4, 2015 7:37 a.m.
I wouldn't call them "disappointing" Rayenous, I would call them "not necessarily for Standard play." Also the new Kolaghan is just plain weird. I'm not sure how often her extra ability will show up, but I'd be intrigued to find out. Also she just happens to be a 6 power haste flier for 6. That's pretty good last I checked.
March 4, 2015 8:28 a.m.
Spaniard here, "su" means her/his in this card. It means your only in polite language. Cards in Spanish refer to their owner with "tu". It's only expectable that players have some familiarity with their cards.
March 4, 2015 8:31 a.m.
shepherdofire says... #12
Her second ability goes against decks that put 4x of most of their creatures in the deck, like mono red. Kill them early with removal, play kaloghan and boom you have them kinda in a corner.
March 4, 2015 8:33 a.m.
I wouldn't use Kolaghan or the Shaman in any format, including EDH. - THAT says something! - I'm usually the one to look for far-reaching combo's and synergies... but not for these.
They are not Mythic quality. - They should be rare, at best. - Only reason to make them Mythic is so that they are opened less often in Limited. (don't want to annoy people by having them open these all the time)
March 4, 2015 8:38 a.m.
Funny that Kolaghan hurts it's own Broods mechanic the most (Dashing a creature when there is a copy in the GY would be horrible). - Not that it hurts yourself, only opponents... but still interesting.
How does that work with Delve... if they remove the copy in the graveyard as part of the cost... was it still seen by this ability?
March 4, 2015 8:42 a.m.
ZooGambler says... #15
LAME dragon. Haste doesn't matter that late in the game 8.89899658/10. And it's only creature spells so that kinda sucks.
March 4, 2015 8:45 a.m.
Rayenous - I would argue that both of those cards are mythic quality. Shaman of Forgotten Lore is a perfect mythic because it is a callback to a powerful spell Biorhythm. He himself isn't a splashy mythic, but he is worthy of the mythic designation. And as I said before, Kolaghan is a 6 power haste flier for 6. That is not the stats of a rare. Also her extra ability can just randomly hose people, so she definitely has mythic qualities. Both of them are odd cards that need to find a home, but I have good faith that they will find a home somewhere.
March 4, 2015 8:45 a.m.
No the delve is part of paying the cost of the card so it gets removed before the creature/planeswalker spell goes on the stack.
March 4, 2015 8:46 a.m.
Kolaghan must translate as his/her (ie. the opponent) rather than your (as in the owner of Kolaghan) otherwise it would just be too bad.
As it has been confirmed by proper spanish speakers to be his/her as in the opponent its not bad. If they try to cast a removal spell that they've already used they run the risk of just insta-losing the game, particularly because you're swinging for 6 hasty damage. Kolaghan is pretty insane actually.
March 4, 2015 8:46 a.m.
ZooGambler says... #20
ChiefBell Yeah creature spells makes her suck. TBH she would be stronger if it was non-creature but flavor wise that wouldn't really make sense.
March 4, 2015 8:50 a.m.
Yeh. She'd be really good if it counted removal. As it doesn't it's just meh. She'd probably be too good if she counted removal actually.
I could see her ability being 'with the same name as any card in their graveyard' and dropping the life loss down to 4 or 5. That way you're nearly guaranteed 10 damage from her, which is big.
March 4, 2015 8:52 a.m.
Kolaghan is still an ok card against mono red or rg monster since it's out of stoke range.
In something like RG midrange with a black splash it could be a nice sideboard card.
March 4, 2015 8:54 a.m.
ZooGambler says... #23
At least she doesn't die to really any form of burn spell.
March 4, 2015 8:54 a.m.
I suppose she MAY be okay against Tasigur... If they have 2x of the same creature in the GY when his ability resolves, you can give them one of those cards. - But that's a stretch.
She is really meant to hose mid-range creature based decks that aim for consistency by running multiples of the same card. - But I don't see enough consistency to bother with this... even as sideboard.
March 4, 2015 8:57 a.m.
shepherdofire says... #25
She does die to both the new Glare of Heresy and Valorous Stance
March 4, 2015 8:57 a.m.
Rayenous: Tasigur players are just going to delve away all of their creature cards when they cast him.
March 4, 2015 9:01 a.m.
March 4, 2015 9:12 a.m.
slovakattack says... #28
Imo, Kholagen has the same problem as Karametra, God of Harvests. They're abilities are things you want on low cmc stuff, not high cmc stuff.
March 4, 2015 9:14 a.m.
I think I'll play Neutralizing Blast maindeck with the new dragons
March 4, 2015 9:28 a.m.
6CMC 6 Power Haste is not enough to make it Mythic...
Even in this Block, there's 5 mana for 7 power Haste. Zurgo Helmsmasher (Though also Mythic) - Okay, so 3 color makes it harder to cast... but with the fixing we have, you always have what you need.
5 mana, 7 power, Haste... single color... Rare - Thunderblust
6 Mana, 6 Power, single Color, Haste... Common - Maze Rusher
Kamahl, Pit Fighter - Also has relevant ability.
Rorix Bladewing - Single color, and has Flying. - Rare.
Making this Mythic rests a lot on an ability that does very little against a lot of decks, and has little to no relevance in the 2 formats where you may want a 6-Drop (EDH and Limited).
- So I stand by my statement of this being a disappointment.
I do agree that the Shaman fits the Mythic slot well, due to it being a 'not commonly used ability'... just like Misthollow Griffin was Mythic due to it's ability to be cast from Exile...
But it's still a disappointment as far as playability.
March 4, 2015 9:29 a.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #32
She dies to a 3=X-Ferocious-Triggered Crater's Claw. That's not hard to have by at turn six. I really think she's great in Limited but in Constructed... not sure.
March 4, 2015 9:29 a.m.
shepherdofire says... #33
control is going to be great against Dragon decks.
March 4, 2015 9:30 a.m.
For me, Kolaghan is also a weenie-hater. Of course, white has much more effective answers for her, but with the red regent happily flapping two turns before, a bolt is guaranteed.
It's something.
March 4, 2015 9:33 a.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #35
I'm actually pretty exctied for the Atarka regent version. Yes yes yo.
March 4, 2015 9:36 a.m.
davidsays1 says... #36
So now that zurgo and narset are no longer khans, and the clans are led by the dragons. What happened to both? People are saying zurgo took narsets spark and people are saying narset is a planeswalker. What if they both are? I mean zurgo was the face of khans... literally.
March 4, 2015 9:50 a.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #38
We know that Zurgo has a new role in this clan as that bell-dude.
And whatever happened in Khans is irrelevant since everything didn't happen because of Sarkhans time travel shenanigans.
March 4, 2015 9:58 a.m.
davidsays1 says... #39
Im not so sure people are saying in this new timeline zurgo stole narsets spark. I means does everyone real want another noncolored planeswalker? Narset doesn't belong to a clan so she would be noncolored
March 4, 2015 10:10 a.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #40
Narset does not belong to a clan anymore. That does neither mean she's not in the Ojutai-Colours anymore nor that she is in them. She might be UR, because whatever. Simply expect Narset to be a planeswalker. The artwork on the packaging makes everything but exactly this highly unlikely.
March 4, 2015 10:13 a.m.
davidsays1 says... #41
Just my personal beliefs. I think they can both be planeswalker. Like maybe zurgo stole the spark making him a planeswalker in the old timeline and he could travel to the future sarkhan made. Then in the new timeline narset never lost her spark? Its going to be 3 planeswalkers and nicol bolas isn't in the set because all creatures are 1 or 2 colors. (Would've been cool him and ugin going at it) just my own speculation.
March 4, 2015 10:15 a.m.
davidsays1 says... #42
I also believe sarkhan will be weaker since he went to the future with unexpected results as in stuff he didn't plan for.
March 4, 2015 10:18 a.m.
alexthegreat38 says... #46
Just the fact that she costs 4 mana and starts at 6 loyalty is nutty, but the abilities seem extremely relevant.
March 4, 2015 10:51 a.m.
"You get an emblem with 'Your opponents can't cast noncreature spells'" Holy fuck, that's good. 6 starting loyalty at 4cmc too.
March 4, 2015 10:51 a.m.
Esper control is a thing in modern?
She's 4 mana which is achievable in control. She starts on really high loyalty. Her +1 is card draw. Her -2 feeds removal spells and card draw spells. Her ultimate is pretty back breaking. Seriously though all a control deck really needs to do is +1 her forever and win the game.
March 4, 2015 10:51 a.m.
I was so sure I'd be disappointed if she was 
. I was positive I'd completely ignore her existence if she wasn't 
. I really wanted her to be . But somehow she's awesome anyway. Yes all the abilities are sweet, but a starting loyalty of 6 for a CMC of 4... That's nothing to scoff at.
March 4, 2015 10:53 a.m.
Holy shit man, that is a dope ass walker for 4 cmc. That ultimate will just wreck control matchups and the other abilities are really strong as well. I did not expect her to come out being this powerful
Named_Tawyny says... #1
Kolaghan is a classic example of people downgrading a card because of a bonus ability.
He's a 6/5 hasty flier haste-lord for 6cmc. Even ignoring the fourth ability, that's awesome.
The 4th ability is just icing.
March 4, 2015 5:54 a.m.