Dragons in Khans of Tarkir
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Posted on July 8, 2014, 3:02 p.m. by Casino647
I know I'm talking about this really late but with Crucible of Fire and Brood Keeper being in M15 this must mean that there could possibly be many dragons to come in at least one set of the next block.
But the thing is, we know is that the dragons were killed off a long time ago in khans. Does this mean we could possibly see a return of dragons or this block taking place in khans but way in the past? Or future?
What do you guys think?
MindAblaze says... #3
It will be interesting...the recent article "Checking in with the Planeswalkers" speaks about the voice in Sarkhan's head being/representing the Spirit Dragon planeswalker Ugin.
I could see it.
I also have a hard time believing Bolas won't make an appearance.
July 8, 2014 3:08 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #4
In the current Lore, dragons are extinct on the plane of Tarkir. That being said, there is a reason that we're going there in the next block. Presumably some sort of story will be driving the block, and that story will likely involve Sarkhan Vol and some sort of dragon shenanigans.
July 8, 2014 3:31 p.m.
blackmarker90 says... #5
If I remember correctly KTK is a top down design, which means that the storyline was developed before the cards were, meaning tons of flavor and "story based" cards.
July 8, 2014 3:37 p.m.
With the way the core set is shaping up and dragons being a pretty significant part of Khan I would assume dragons will show up in force. I've also read some really interesting articles about KoT possibly/most likely bringing back fortification, flanking, horsemanship and/or walls. Pretty excited about KoT. Love that piece of MTG lore. Also hoping for a new Sarkhan walker. BR would be legit.
July 8, 2014 3:48 p.m.
beakedbard says... #7
Haven't Wizards already trademarked "Dragons of Tarkir"? I get the feeling there probably won't be any dragons in Khan but they'll return halfway through the block storyline. If they have trademarked that its most likely a set name so we'll probably see dragons at some point in the block.
July 8, 2014 3:51 p.m.
KrosanTusker says... #8
I'm pretty sure Khans is bottom-up, ie. mechanics come first. As Theros was a top-down Greek world and we recently had RTR (bottom-up but a returning plane) and Innistrad (top-down Gothic horror), it makes sense to have a block, designed bottom-up, set on a new plane.
July 8, 2014 4:16 p.m.
@241543903 Tarkir is Sarkhan Vol's home plane, and as it was pointed out, according to lore the dragons were all killed off on Tarkir, it's what drove Sarkhan insane when he became Sarkhan the Mad . So actually it isn't obvious because spoilers and such lead you to believe there will be dragons but according to story and lore there should be no dragons.
Personally I believe we're going to see dragons at some point in time. I don't think the set will be in the past or future though. I'm assuming there's gonna be some reason in the story that allows the dragons to return. As far as what that is, I don't know, that's all up the the story designers. I just feel like it would be kind of odd to have a block focused on Sarkhan Vol and his home plane and dragons not be apart of the story. Who knows, with all of the artifact attention that M15 has gotten maybe we'll see artifact dragons. It would explain why the dragons have returned after they were all killed and I know people have been speculating lately that artifacts are going to matter in the next block.
July 8, 2014 4:18 p.m.
KrosanTusker says... #10
We normally get one Mythic dragon per set, so it would be peculiar to lose them for a whole block, especially (as abenz419 says) in a block with Sarkhan as the lead character.
July 8, 2014 4:21 p.m.
BurningDragon says... #11
It was pointed out to me that Wizards is a little behind popular culture in regards to their design. Vampires and werewolves were amazingly popular for a while so we got Vamps in Zendikar and both in Innistrad. Greek themed stuff was somewhat cool so we got Theros. Skyrim and Game of Thrones were/are hugely successful. A plot point in both is that of the return of dragons. I would not be surprised if dragons were in Khans already starting to come back.
July 8, 2014 4:32 p.m.
I believe the story may be about Sarkhan bringing dragons back to his homeplane. so maybe the first set won't have dragons, then second set will have a normal amount, and the third will have a large amount of dragons.
July 8, 2014 4:36 p.m.
Dalektable says... #13
Main point...Dragons. Dragons!!! DRAGONS!!!!!!!!!
I like dragons a lot...also I'll kill for an Ugin planeswalker. PS, how cool would it be if the plotline of Khans block was Sarkhan trying to kill Ugin to get the voice out of his head/feel in charge. I don't follow MTG lore, but It's just a thought that might be cool...
July 8, 2014 6:29 p.m.
SOoooo a land where dragons are extinct and a lone warrior with a connection to dragons becomes part of their destructive return??? wait...you mean this isn't Skyrim???
July 8, 2014 8:30 p.m.
It's kind of odd that everyone is comparing it to skyrim when the story line originated back in the alara block. I realize similarities can be draw but Sarkhan's story began 3 years earlier.
July 8, 2014 10:27 p.m.
KrosanTusker says... #16
BurningDragon: Wizards design two years ahead of release, which is one of the reasons why we get this lag between the inspiration and the finished product.
Separate note: I've never played Skyrim, or any Elder Scrolls games. I gather they're supposed to be quite good. Am I missing out?
July 9, 2014 1:25 p.m.
BurningDragon says... #17
KrosanTusker - Yes, you are missing out if you love open world RPGs or if you are in love with dragons. I love both. I've only played Oblivion and Skyrim though, but they are up there in my favorite games.
I also understand the design gap which is why it makes sense for them to do a "dragons are returning" theme. I definitely am not complaining about it if it seems that I came across that way. I could see dragons coming back in Khans of Tarkir or in Dragons of Tarkir personally. I remember Wolrdwake had an Eldrazi plant card in it so who knows to what length they will go. Maybe spirit dragons, skeleton dragons, zombie dragons, or a dragon land related card in the first set followed by regular ones in the next.
July 9, 2014 3:35 p.m.
lothshteth says... #18
It will most likely go along the lines of zendikar except maybe in the second set instead of the third. Possibly leading to an epic nicol bolas vs sarkhan ugin incarnate battle for control over sarkhan and the plane. My money is on sarkhan since, outside of rtr, planeswalkers have been getting owned when it comes to planar affairs.
July 12, 2014 3:54 a.m.
biggestmtgnerd says... #19
I found this:
http://dragonimages.net/details/592-mongol-dragon.html
The mongols sure like their dragons. What about a legendary dragon who must be blocked by 27 creatures or more (27 heads), can block 33 creatures (33 tails) and can only be killed if dealt damage a certain way. What if it was sleeping somewhere hidden until Sarkahn wakes it up and tells it that all the other dragons have died. The dragon then goes, causes a solar eclipse and makes some babies who terrorize everyone.
July 12, 2014 4:32 a.m.
lothshteth says... #20
Ha awesomely ridiculous! But how does one make babies with no mate? I really hope dragon's don't fertilize themselves, just eww. I just hope Bolas doesn't find a mate. End of the multiverse as we know it. Oh god did I answer my own question?
July 12, 2014 6:01 a.m.
biggestmtgnerd says... #21
The dragon may have laid a bunch of eggs before it started sleeping, then they all hatched when it was time to terrorize Tarkir. Otherwise both Bolas and Ugin would make suitable mates. Or if Ugin is a female, Bolas and Ugin could make babies that would inherit their sparks wreck havoc. Maybe they give birth to the dragon with 27 heads and 33 tails. Who knows?
July 12, 2014 8:08 a.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #22
For the record, Sarkhan the Mad
went mad because he was trapped in the Eye of Ugin, either from isolation or perhaps the influence of the hedrons/eldrazi, not from the death of dragons on his plane, the dragons had been on the verge of extinction well before even his incarnation on Alara; Sarkhan Vol
, where he was still relatively neurotypical
My theory is that, if Sarkhan is being haunted by Ugin, the spirit dragon, then perhaps Nicol Bolas wasn't as successful at offing Ugin as he believed. Ugin might be guiding Sarkhan towards reviving them. Perhaps the revival of dragons on Tarkir in an intentional/unintentional side effect of the event that would revive Ugin.
July 12, 2014 8:12 p.m.
lothshteth says... #23
Sounds totally reasonable. I definitely like it, but come on WOTC that is just some mash up of Zendikar and Innistrad. I think its about time we have one of the walkers just start death starring planes left and right to spice it up a little.
July 14, 2014 4:38 p.m.
OmegaAura113 says... #24
The block is based off time travel, so I have a very educated guess: Khans of Tarkir is the latest in the timeline, where the clans are about to go to war. Dragons of Tarkir is a couple hundred years before Khans of Tarkir, before clans were formed and the plane was still ruled by dragons. Finally, Warlords of Tarkir is after the dragons are pushed to near extinction and only the strongest dragons remain, while the clans are starting to form, but not quite formed yet. What do you guys think of my idea?
August 12, 2014 10:31 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #25
I was just thinking exactly that, Regigigas23. Somehow, we are transported to a time relevant to story where the dragons are still alive, and the warring between clans is just starting.
August 12, 2014 10:38 p.m.
OmegaAura113 says... #26
Also, since dragons are really prominent, what if there is the return tri-color dragons? I know only KTK is a wedge set, but the clans are based off aspects of the dragon, leading me to think that there may have been tri-color dragons that inspired the clan's formation. If there are returning tri-color dragons, I would expect them in Dragons of Tarkir or Warlords if Tarkir.
August 12, 2014 10:39 p.m.
Regigigas23 that is genius and now i want my 3 color dragon legends ;-;
August 14, 2014 9:57 p.m.
Either Bolas or Ugin will be printed in this set, im sure of it
September 8, 2014 11:37 p.m.
rho.reduction says... #29
I just want my colorless Commander to make a new EDH deck around. I will admit another colorless planeswalker would be just as awesome too.
241543903 says... #2
Well, KoT is taking place in Sarkhan's Vol home plane, so... It's obvious.
July 8, 2014 3:08 p.m.