Dual lands post rotation
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Posted on May 5, 2014, 4:08 p.m. by harrydemon117
Right now we have pretty good mana fixing, but the shock lands are rotating out come October.
What do you guys think will be next? Fetchlands in the next block? M10 duals like Dragonskull Summit ?
Servo_Token says... #3
I'm thinking check lands are making a comeback. It'd be sweet as heck if they switched it up and made the enemy checks from innistrad into coreset.
I don't think that we'll be seeing fetches for another year or so.
May 5, 2014 4:18 p.m.
Yeah I don't see fetches happening in the next block. Wizards is trying to push mono and 2 color decks, fetch lands would go completely against that idea. I wouldn't expect to see the buddy lands back so soon. Which leaves us most likely with the check lands. Although its also possible Wizards comes up with something completely new. Who knows...
May 5, 2014 4:23 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #5
Fetch lands won't somehow make mono and 2-color decks obsolete. If the shock lands aren't in Standard, then fetch lands suddenly only tutor for basic lands. They may be the best lands every printed, but they don't do a damn thing without relevant duals to tutor.
i.e. Reprinting fetch lands will maintain the balance of Standard, provided Wizards doesn't do anything dumb (which they won't).
May 5, 2014 4:42 p.m.
@NobodyPicksBulbasaur: fetch lands make it significantly easier to splash for a 3rd, or even 4th color, even if you don't have shock lands to fetch with them. Putting fetches back in standard will absolutely increase the prevalence of 3 and 4 color decks, and that's something wizards seems to be trying to cut back on, at least for now.
May 5, 2014 4:51 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #7
I really wouldn't mind a couple months with fetches and shocks being legal in Standard. All PTQs are sealed during that timeframe anyway.
May 5, 2014 4:55 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #8
I'm not sure they will print checks in the next set, remember they weren't printed in m14 simply because wizards felt they were too powerful in combination with shocks and wanted to restrict mana bases a little whilst shocks were still in standard.
May 5, 2014 4:58 p.m.
@fluffybunnypants: I completely agree with you. I think it would awesome to give standard players a taste of consistent "modern" style mana bases for a couple months. I think it would bring a lot of those players into modern after the rotation. But I really don't think Wizards will do that.
May 5, 2014 5:02 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #10
That's what I thought originally too @Schuesseled, so I thought that they would see play in the next block and not M15 core set (so that standard didn't have shocks and M10 duals at the same time).
I mean the Temples already are forced to come into play tapped, so what other mana fixing could they have for 2 colored decks? It doesn't see like the SOM lands like Darkslick Shores would work very well unless they came early
May 5, 2014 5:02 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #11
It's been a very long time since it's been uncommon for a 2-color deck to splash for a third color. The situation Wizards is most trying to avoid is 3-4 color only-the-best-spells.dec. Fetches alone aren't enough to facilitate that sort of gameplan.
It's more-or-less been established that Wizards is reprinting fetches in the near future. The only real question is which set will they be part of? If I had to guess I'd say either the next block or M16. I'm not exactly an expert in the matter, though.
May 5, 2014 5:02 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #13
Pretty sure Wizards said no more dual lands in core sets. Those sets are treated as entry level sets and dual lands taking up the rare slot in boosters is unappealing to most inexperienced players.
May 5, 2014 5:05 p.m.
smash10101 says... #14
Wizards said no duals in M14 because of how nuts mana bases were in INS-RTR standard. I think fetches won't make it into the next block, due to the fact that they didn't really need reprinting until about 3-6 months ago, and they have that sort of thing nailed down way longer than that in advance, and it's unlikely that we'll see them in a core set due to them not wanting to print only 5 dual lands (they said that when they announced no duals in M14) so I guess the block after the next one.
I think that the next block could have buddies or maybe filters. I would also be a fan of something like River of Tears , which would be fun with fetches. But really, who knows?
May 5, 2014 5:28 p.m.
The Doctor says... #15
Wizards stated that Fetch lands ARE being reprinted, but not for at least another 18 months. Meaning M16 or the fall block after "Huey"
May 5, 2014 5:35 p.m.
I know that wizards doesn't want fetchlands to be in the same standard as shocklands and I know that its been spoiled that fetchlands will eventually see a reprint. But come on people, shocklands are just about to rotate out in september, what on earth makes you think that just because they said they'll do it sometime in the future that they'll reprint them the second they get a chance as shocklands rotate out of standard. Aside from the obvious that they won't be printed in consecutive standard blocks, the two land cycles are not connected. So that means when shocks rotate out you don't immediately get new fetches, and vise-verse, just because fetches get reprinted and eventually rotate out doesn't mean you'll get new shock lands.
I see a dozens of comments everyday about how they're hoping for fetches in the next block and honestly, you people need to quit setting unrealistic expectations. Its not unrealistic to expect a reprint, its just unrealistic to expect it immediately because that's what you want. Temper your expectations and look forward to the things that you know ARE immediately coming. Keeping your hopes up for something that you already know isn't going to happen just causes you guys to be disappointed when the next set is finally released and instead of enjoying what the set does have it just ends up being a "set-bashing" because it doesn't have what you want. You'll enjoy the game and what each set has to offer as soon as you realize that things don't happen simply because that's what you want. Be happy that you know fetches are eventually coming, quit being so disappointed that it doesn't happen on your schedule.
May 5, 2014 5:47 p.m.
I think Mana Confluence was printed as a way to allow 2-3 color decks to survive while they are in the process of reprinting checks/pains/filters or something like that (maybe even something new) in Huey and the following sets.
May 5, 2014 5:48 p.m.
Mana Confluence allows 3 colour to survive.
Fetchlands on their own don't allow 3 colour decks to thrive just because they only allow you to fetch a land of that one type according to the fetchland in question - therefore they're most powerful when used in conjunction with shocks. Fetches on their own are actually a bit meh in terms of fixing but great in terms of thinning.
May 5, 2014 7:56 p.m.
blackmarker90 says... #19
What if they reprint the ABUR duals in Huey. They aren't on the reserve listing and it would drop the price or increase the price of the originals. I know I'm going to get flames at for this, bit in all reality it is wizards game and they will do as they please to an extent. And who wouldn't want to see duals with modern borders. I know in all reality outside of a special set this is a very improbable situation, but not impossible.
May 5, 2014 10:02 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #20
Fairly certain that original duals are on the restricted list, which means that they can't reprint them... Plus, that would mean that duals were allowed in modern. Shock/fetch bases were broken enough as is...
May 5, 2014 10:29 p.m.
abur lands are on the reserve list, i think zen man lands would be a nice return, or filter lands
May 5, 2014 10:31 p.m.
Just saying, thinning via fetches makes virtually no difference in spells drawn. I see people mentioning that, so I thought I'd just shoot it down before it started misleading people. It has been proven to be a false concept.
May 5, 2014 10:45 p.m.
The Doctor says... #24
how does it make no difference? It effectively removes two cards that you wouldn't want to draw.
May 6, 2014 1:25 a.m.
BlueEyesRedMage says... #25
You know what I'd love to see? Enemy coloured Man Lands. That would make me simply giddy with glee.
May 6, 2014 4 a.m.
Blakkhand Except it does make a difference, just not a large one. Regardless of whether the difference is negligible or non-negligible, it's still some amount that you can appreciate.
Regardless, it all feeds into the 'fetchlands are most useful in conjunction with shocklands' argument.
May 6, 2014 6:14 a.m.
harrydemon117 says... #27
I've only been playing Standard for the past 3-4 years and I can't remember them NOT printing some sort of dual land in a block whether it an M10 dual Drowned Catacomb , SOM "early land" Darkslick Shores , or a Shock land Watery Grave .
Even Theros had the scry lands Temple of Deceit , so I'm pretty sure that they're going to print something else in the next block...question is what could they reprint that will not "break standard" and have everyone using 4-5_color_good_stuff.dec
Fairseas says... #2
Fetches would be sick. I honestly like the check lands from the core sets. For awesome trade value I hope the fetches
May 5, 2014 4:12 p.m.