Eldritch Moon Spoiler Thread
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Posted on June 20, 2016, 11:36 a.m. by DarkLaw
I don't think there is one yet, at least not one posted recently. If there is, feel free to correct me.
TMBRLZ The effect already exists on several cards at same or lower CMC that dig 4-5 deep in Modern. Having it at instant speed is basically never relevant given the uses of the existing cards in these decks, e.g. dredge.
June 30, 2016 3:49 p.m.
Saying they're not comparable because they don't do the same amount of damage doesn't make any sense, bolt is strictly better because it is the exact same card just stronger.
As for the scenario you explained, your own card is losing you the game because it is better than the alternative. I understand where you're coming from but you're completely ignoring what it means for one card to be strictly better than another.
June 30, 2016 3:49 p.m.
Also I'm not trying to argue or go too off topic; in the case of the two original cards being discussed, neither is strictly better because they're both situationally better depending on the deck. I just wanted to clarify for anyone new to the game who might be reading this thread that many cards are strictly better than others.
June 30, 2016 3:52 p.m.
Omeros - What cards at 2 or less CMC mills yourself AND lets you return a card to your hand?
The only one I know of is Corpse Churn... and it is only creature, not 'creature or land'. - This is not 'several'
However, I agree that this isn't likely to see modern play... Corpse Churn isn't used in Modern, and I don't think that adding 'land' to that is relevant enough to help it make the cut in any deck.
In Standard though... should see some play.
June 30, 2016 3:57 p.m.
All I am saying is that using the term strictly better is factually wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with just saying better you dont have to use strictly better because it does not exist.
As far as standard dredge things I will be trying out a deliruim Mindwrack Demon Deathmist Raptor BG deck should be fun with some self mill cards.
June 30, 2016 4:08 p.m.
Here are several. Remember, the question was about in Modern. Satyr Wayfinder, Commune with the Gods, Gather the Pack, Grisly Salvage, Mulch and even Life from the Loam through dredge+recast.
Yes, these only return cards from among the milled but take a step back and think about how the decks that use these cards (except Loam) and how quickly they want a kill. What you're milling is generally at least a large portion of your graveyard on the turn it's played if on curve. Mill on turn 2 with one of these, then dredge as necessary on turn 3 and start dumping all mana into threats.
June 30, 2016 4:11 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #8
Angels have been seen in this block, but where are the demons? I would very much like to see how Emrakul's influence is affecting them, but few, if any, have appeared in this block, thus far. Why is that?
June 30, 2016 5:35 p.m.
DemonDragonJ that's a good point... What is happening to Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip now that Emrakul is here? Any ideas guys?
June 30, 2016 5:45 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #10
Just because having the stronger card doesn't benefit you when you're already losing doesn't make Lightning Bolt not strictly better than Shock.
June 30, 2016 5:53 p.m.
shinobigarth says... #11
Strictly better is more for when you're building a deck. If you have 4 open slots and you want some burn, you would have to be a special kind of retarded to put Shock in over Bolt.
June 30, 2016 6:15 p.m.
Nightdragon779 says... #12
Eternal Scourge is great. Ready? Play eternal scourge. Next turn play Eldrazi evolution on it. Fetch a reality smasher. Then recast scourge. It's disgusting.
June 30, 2016 6:41 p.m.
Out of all the Eldrazi-themed card we've seen so far Grapple With The Past seems to have this human-like element to it. I mean, does anyone know why the eldrazi girl would want the teddy so much when her mind has completely been lost to Emrakul?
In fact, do we even know what incentive there was for Emrakul to leave Zendikar and corrupt Innistrad? The card is a clear stand out in my opinion from all the gruesome things. Still creepy but different.
June 30, 2016 7:03 p.m.
StopShot if you read the story Emrakul Rises, especially the part with Hal and Alena, it's fairly clear that almost everyone who isn't mentally protected is undergoing a huge internal struggle. It seems totally in line for at least someone some where to fight back against it and want an old sense of comfort...
As for the second question, that one is much easier. Nahiri built the Drownyard Temple off the coast of Nephalia and concentrated the plane's mana through the Cryptoliths there to lure in Emrakul. It's the same kind of lure that Sorin, Ugin, and Nahiri used back on Zendikar to get the three Eldrazi Titans to come to Zendikar where they could be trapped. Just this time Nahiri is pissed because Sorin didn't help her in the original Zendikar block so she made the same thing all over again minus the trapping part.
Hope that helps clear it up :)
June 30, 2016 7:11 p.m.
Linkdude74 says... #17
Nightdragon779, sorry to shut your idea down but Scourge only exiles when targeted by an opponent's spell or ability. Not only that but if you meant Eldritch Evolution, as Eldrazi evolution isn't a card, sacrificing doesn't target unless the spell says "sacrifice target creature". I like the idea, but gotta look more carefully at the cards. That said, Delve stuff sounds fun with Scourge
June 30, 2016 7:41 p.m.
Linkdude74 says... #18
Nightdragon779, sorry to shut your idea down but Scourge only exiles when targeted by an opponent's spell or ability. Not only that but if you meant Eldritch Evolution, as Eldrazi evolution isn't a card, sacrificing doesn't target unless the spell says "sacrifice target creature". I like the idea, but gotta look more carefully at the cards. That said, Delve stuff sounds fun with Scourge
June 30, 2016 7:41 p.m.
Nightdragon779 says... #19
Linkdude74 Yeah sorry I read it wrong I thought Eldrazi Evolution exiled the creature and not itself lol.
June 30, 2016 8:08 p.m.
Punderstorm says... #20
Am I the only one noticing the lack of any mention of the moon? I get that the common theory is that Emrakul will get trapped by the moon Helvault style, but considering how much the moon was mentioned in SOI and the fact that the set is literally called Eldritch Moon, I was really expecting it to have more relevance than just a plausible way of dealing with Emrakul.
June 30, 2016 9:50 p.m.
@Punderstorm, Notice how Tamiyo and Liliana haven't come out yet either? We don't have anything story related that hasn't been revealed in the story yet. Granted the spoilers will eclipse the story eventually but Wizards will want to hold the Walkers and Story cards for as long as possible. If it gets a card it'll be later in the spoiler season
June 30, 2016 10:03 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #22
We don't even have a quarter of the cards yet. It is a bit early.
June 30, 2016 10:31 p.m.
@Zaueski, Oh no, I actually read that article, but its not everyone on Innistrad. Yes, Emrakul has a very strong effect going through everyone's mind, but that doesn't mean every single human has become an eldrazi abomination, especially shown in a lot of the cards. You'd think those who have gone through a massive change in physical shape would be those whose minds were lost first. If Emrakul was supposed to be a ruling force who can manipulate the mind, why would she allow the corrupt to still hold onto anything that made up of their former self? I don't think it's really resistence to her corruption has evidence in the flavor text on how it cues that she actually allows somethings, but why?
Also I perfectly know Nahiri's intentions, but I question why Emrakul would leave the other titans or not finish off Zendikar first before moving on. Zendikar should have just as much power to offer, and if Innistrad really became more of a power magnet why didn't the other two titans join her? It just seems too simple to say it was the temple alone. I feel like there should be a deeper reason than just face value and this card in particular only makes me question that more.
June 30, 2016 10:48 p.m.
So, we'll get the art depicting Nahiri's death next week? I'm ok with it, just so as long as they show the piece then.
June 30, 2016 10:51 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #25
Even after Emrakul is defeated, I expect that its presence shall have lasting effects on the plane of Innistrad; what does everyone else here imagine shall happen to the plane after the battle?
June 30, 2016 11:14 p.m.
I'm expecting a few of the mutations to last on Innistrad,but I can't say anything because I'm not expecting to go back to Innistrad in a few years.I feel like the entire Innistrad story will be done after this,so after,there'll be no reason to go back.
June 30, 2016 11:48 p.m.
I am still hoping that Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded is partially responsible for something that's gone wrong so far.
I am still dreaming that his +1 will change to "Draw a card, then discard a card."
Maybe "Target player draws a card, then discards a card at random" would also be better? I dunno. There are a billion tweaks you could do that are all at least 10% better than it is now.
June 30, 2016 11:51 p.m.
Punderstorm says... #28
Zaueski, I'm not suggesting that they spoil the end of the story right away, but considering how big a part the moon is supposedly playing here, I can't imagine it being ONLY the final act. I'm not asking for big story cards, just some references here and there.
July 1, 2016 12:16 a.m.
Well, I guess I can now say goodbye to Okk in my "come on, that mana cost can't be right" Gruul deck.
July 1, 2016 12:33 a.m.
Transforms into:
I like the Evangel, still not sure on how I feel about these new werewolves although a mana dork one is appreciated.
July 1, 2016 12:51 a.m.
Regarding the Eldrazi child wanting a toy for comfort... Eldrazi Conscription says in the flavor text how Eldrazi power shatters identity, so no. Maybe the toy wronged Emrakul in some way?
The story needs fixing, but hey, cool set so far.
July 1, 2016 1:15 a.m.
DarkLaw - you're assuming they don't transcend any of that though as they are the titans. As far as we know the three titans are responsible for all the havoc. Each is an independent entity and all the eldrazi drones and processors and what have you are literally just extensions of the titan they represent. All forms and presence of a specific titan on a plane are just extensions and manifestations as they reach through the Blind Eternities.
Maybe they had an identity once. The merfolk of old on Zendi idolized them (wrongly) as Gods.
We don't know jackshit about the Eldrazi Titans. Least of all Emrakul.
For all we know they're ancient planeswalkers who made the wrong decision and now they're consciousness is held together loosely among these monstrosities.
July 1, 2016 2:07 a.m.
On a side note:
Getting real sick of these Eldrazi Werewolves.
Literally ruining the tribe.
July 1, 2016 2:08 a.m.
Punderstorm says... #34
I agree about the Werewolves. There are a lot of different things werewolves could do that wizards hasn't bothered with. The mechanic is very strategy driven, but not enough of them help with that strategy. I was especially disappointed with Ulrich, because despite being an alpha, he doesn't really help his fellow werewolves, which makes him a poor figurehead for the tribe.
July 1, 2016 2:17 a.m.
I'm liking the new werewolves for this set. They'll be great for a fun tribal edh deck.
July 1, 2016 3:02 a.m.
There's always the chance that first week is all things eldrazi and the doom they're causing and next week will be all about the resistance against them and how the story ends. My guess is that likely there will be more werewolves untainted that are going to fight back. Same with Vampires, Liliana Vess's zombies, and probably humans. Heck we might see spirits do the same thing. That or Wizards completely forgets about spirits in this set.
July 1, 2016 3:31 a.m.
Emrakul mutates everything living that is not a planeswalker. This includes werewolves (besides Ulrich, there no non-eldrazified werewolves), vampires (we have not seen an EMN vampire without at least 3 arms) and humans (every single one except Thalia so far).
The only hope is zombies, who do are undead and not mutable.
Guess why Liliana's card is called Liliana, the last hope!
July 1, 2016 3:37 a.m.
Punderstorm says... #38
I hope that at some point it explains why some people (Thalia and Ulrich for example) are immune to Emrakul's corruption.
July 1, 2016 4:57 a.m.
Only those strong willed are able to push the desire to give into Emrakul, thus even a PW can be taken over.
A similar idea to this was observed in the recent lore which was about Arlinn's awakening as a walker. She was weak willed when turning into a werewolf, and killed everything in sight despite not wanting to.
When she traveled to another planet upon awakening as a PW, she spent years learning to control herself before returning to Innistrad. This strength of will is why I assume she will survive the mental attacks.
Even more recent is seeing Emrakul having an effect on Jace's mind, but with the help of Tamiyo, he was able to push out Emrakul's call.
As long as you have a will you can be mutated by Emrakul (if you give in), this includes plant life like the trees which mutated in the lore/card.
July 1, 2016 5:04 a.m.
Punderstorm I get the feeling that it's all about willpower. Emrakul exerts an influence over all living things, by getting into their minds. Naturally, some people are stronger than others to resist this, through mental disciplines and having trained their minds (like Tamiyo, and potentially Jace, had he not allowed Emrakul into his mind during his investigations).
Which kinda explains the werewolves as, look at Ulrich. He's old. He's probably managed to form a particularly strong mental discipline, which is why he has not given in like all other werewolves.
Thalia and Odric are devout leaders of their faith (ie Avacyn), so would be more disciplined than the average Joe Bloggs.
Hal and Alena are somewhat more disciplined from facing the normal horrors on a regular basis.
July 1, 2016 5:23 a.m.
Guftders so how is it that 2 of the 3 powderpuff angels have given in to Emmy while one hasn't? (Referring to the flavor text on Brisela)
July 1, 2016 5:34 a.m.
The angels went made due to the influence of Emrakul over Avacyn who then both influenced the angel's mentality.
Sigarda proved herself willfully powerful more so than Bruna, Gisela, and Avacyn by not given into the madness.
July 1, 2016 6:06 a.m.
Sinist3r, it as CChaos has described. Avacyn basically ruled over the angels, as it was she who bestowed upon them the greater power through which they could better fight the monsters of Innistrad. With Avacyn's mind tainted by Emrakul, through her, all other angels fell. Sigarda distanced herself from Avacyn after the death of the unmentionable sister, which is possibly why she alone was able to resist.
July 1, 2016 6:16 a.m.
StopShot I like the theory of the horrors this week, and resistance to follow.
Regarding the eldrazi teddy-bear girl debate: In Make a Wish, perhaps the same weaknesses that made people throw coins in the well are also manifested in their eldrazi horror forms, so the weak-willed are also flawed in a way.
July 1, 2016 8:12 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #45
It appears that Liliana will indeed make an Oath. Also, Tamiyo's new art. Spoilers in the text.
These are from the Art of Innistrad book.
July 1, 2016 8:31 a.m. Edited.
That Tamiyo art looks amazing. I hope the actual card is as good.
July 1, 2016 8:45 a.m.
Is it just me or did that look like one of those art books like they had for BFZ?
July 1, 2016 8:59 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #49
Stromkirk Mystic
2R
Creature - Vampire Horror (Rare)
Trample
When Stromkirk Mystic deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may play that card.
Madness 1R
3/2
Not sure if that's exactly how it'll turn out since it's a translation, but oh well.
Bellock86: Same product for a different block.
July 1, 2016 9 a.m.
Lots of 3/2s in this set. Interesting. Strong abilities but die to 2 mana 2/2 creatures.
kengiczar says... #1
Grapple looks very exciting since it's a strictly better version of all those crappy sorcery speed self mill
cards from the Return to Ravnica block.
June 30, 2016 3:46 p.m.