Eldritch Moon Spoiler Thread
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Posted on June 20, 2016, 11:36 a.m. by DarkLaw
I don't think there is one yet, at least not one posted recently. If there is, feel free to correct me.
Eh. Hoping for another control Liliana. Get more creature focused stuff. Sigh. Loving the set as a whole but a lack of ambition with the noncreature stuff so far barring that 4 mana blue card which is very much for standard. Where's our Soulfire Grand Master? Not necessarily the best card but a really bold design for noncreature decks. Kind of hoped for that from Liliana here. Not necessarily broken but something bold for decks that didn't want to jam creatures.
July 4, 2016 11:05 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #3
But, ChiefBell this is the future! Turn it all sideways!
July 4, 2016 11:09 a.m.
Edit: probably a good sideboard card against infect in modern, abzan coco, and a few others. Arguably playable against control due to snappy. Playable also against grixis and jund due to her card advantage reanimation BUT her + ability would be poor there.
Sideboard her for matchups where the + ability is significant.
July 4, 2016 11:12 a.m. Edited.
GoldGhost012 says... #5
Lands? Turn them sideways. Creatures? Turn them sideways. Artifacts? Turn them sideways. (Gideon) planeswalkers? Turn them sideways.
Soon, enchantments and non-Gideon planeswalkers will be turned sideways as well. After that, sideways instants and sorceries.
July 4, 2016 11:13 a.m.
Gets excited for Nephalia Academy
...
Sees "your opponent controls" clause
flips a table
July 4, 2016 11:29 a.m.
That new wolf. Not sure how to evaluate it for werewolf EDH. It's a nice combat trick to ensure survival, but beyond that...??? Any more wise ideas?
July 4, 2016 11:30 a.m.
Phaetion It ensures you will survive Languish and Anger of the Gods/Pyroclasm and might help a few vs Toxic Deluge?
July 4, 2016 11:32 a.m.
I suppose. I just wish it was +3/+0 instead. It's still got beautiful art. Even if I don't run it, I'll pick it up for that.
July 4, 2016 11:34 a.m.
Phaetion,
[Spirit of the Hunt]? LOVE IT!
Flash is exactly what Werewolves want and protection from Languish and Avacyn's Transform effect is exactly what Werewolves need.
Plus it's fetchable with CoCo.
I'm thinking 1-2 in the mainboard (and full set in the 75) of any Wolf deck that wants a shot.
Wedge's preview video and his thoughts are here.
July 4, 2016 11:37 a.m. Edited.
New Lili is anything but OP. She will be ok, but not overwhelming. I guess Standard Zambie Tribal will be a thing now.
July 4, 2016 11:39 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #18
Deploy the Gatewatch
4WW
Sorcery (Mythic)
Look at the top seven cards of your library. Put up to two planeswalker cards from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Gideon and Liliana may not have seen eye to eye, but that did not stop them from fighting side by side.
Don't think this is an official translation, but it seems fine.
Selfless Soul
1W
Creature - Spirit (Rare)
Flying
Sacrifice Selfless Soul: Creatures you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
2/1
July 4, 2016 11:43 a.m.
Ghostkitten2 says... #19
Deploy the gatewatch
Sorcery
4WW
Look at the top 7 cards of your library, put 2 planeswalkers from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
I wanna make this work in modern!! But its so slow omg
July 4, 2016 11:45 a.m.
DarksteelBadger says... #20
Deploy the Gatewatch into Bolas and Ugin... fun.
July 4, 2016 11:45 a.m.
Deploy into Tamiyo 2.0 and Bolas with Doubling Season out. Good luck people, you'll need it. Though I wish I could say Tamiyo's 1.0 emblem too
July 4, 2016 11:48 a.m. Edited.
So "the Last Hope" IS the new Lili's name after all? I don't care if that makes sense in the context of the current story arc, it sounds incredibly stupid.
Name aside, she's pretty decent for a 3-drop Planeswalker. Her +1 is supposed to keep big attackers in check like Jace, Telepath Unbound Flip's +1, not really kill stuff. -2/-2 would be too powerful for something you'll potentially be using every turn from T3 onwards. Her -2 may not be stellar, but it's Delve fuel, helps enable Delirium, can be great in graveyard-based decks or if you're running cheap stuff with ETB/LTB effects (Shriekmaw comes to mind). And her ultimate should be a -6, but who cares.
July 4, 2016 11:53 a.m.
Punderstorm says... #24
Yep, the card MaRo was talking about was the spider. Which there was barely any demand for. I'm really sick of Wizards trolling us. But then I guess it's our faults too because every spoiler season we all seem to forget how disappointing the last one was.
July 4, 2016 11:55 a.m.
Punderstorm: That said, no one asked for The Gitrog Monster either.
July 4, 2016 11:58 a.m.
Thanks but my group decided to not use the same walkers another is already using.
July 4, 2016 12:03 p.m.
Gitrog is pretty cool though with a new and exciting interaction with lands. The spider is just..... very vanilla?
July 4, 2016 12:15 p.m.
Punderstorm says... #30
Phaetion, that's true, but The Gitrog Monster was something that you could make a cool deck around. Spiders are almost all vanilla creatures with reach. They're boring and not very good.
July 4, 2016 12:15 p.m.
Deckologist says... #31
Could play black green elves and use Conspiracy calling spiders but that's just gimmicky
July 4, 2016 12:17 p.m.
Well, I predicted the cost of the Oath (not too difficult), and it was obvious that zombies would be related.
And that flavor text is pointing exactly at ME XD
Superfriends is clearly a thing now, I mean, it's gonna be a thing "forever". With Oath of Nissa, Deploy and Call the Gatewatch, your necessities are covered in every phase of the game.
July 4, 2016 12:20 p.m.
My point was that hardly anyone asked for a legendary frog.
July 4, 2016 12:24 p.m.
beakedbard says... #34
So I can't choose between Bant, Abzan, Mardu and Esper walkers. Time to brew all of them.
July 4, 2016 12:26 p.m.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
Am I the only one who thinks that new Liliana sucks ass?
starts with 3.
that's really below average already, even for the manacost.
if she could only do something usefull or spin up fast, but no.
we get a lameass +1 upspin that does literally nothing.
we get a shitty half-tasigur for -2 that you never even want to use because you don't want to spend the little loyalty she has for random crap. -2 is beeing hard on her.
we get a -7 emblem that's only going off in your next turn and shits some zombie tokens BUT ONLY if you have some zombies on the field already. far far away from beeing a win con, basically useless ulti unless in a zombie tribal EDH deck.
July 4, 2016 12:28 p.m.
I don't think she sucks. She has definite merit. But it's very specific merit.
July 4, 2016 12:30 p.m.
Deckologist says... #38
ChiefBell shhhh... He doesn't know how to use the shells.
July 4, 2016 12:32 p.m.
------, You are probably not reading the ultimate correctly - it is "X +2 zombies, where X is the number of zombies you have". So, the least you will get is 2 zombies if you have none.
The +1 is quite applicable in most situations - it does not need a target and is generally more useful in the standard meta than Liliana of the Veil's +1 which does nothing once the opponent is hellbent and does not affect the board.
Her -2 is effective in the mid and late game, allowing you recursion of your most powerful bomb for a very low cost. It is not at all comparable to tasigur's ability, but it is instead a Corpse Churn effect.
Of the whole block, she is by far the most powerful of the 6 planeswalkers and will sit squarely behind Gideon as a top 2 planeswalker.
July 4, 2016 12:33 p.m. Edited.
CanadianShinobi says... #41
------ Irrational anger is always the best method of conveying your opinion. I know this from experience.
I would say that she's remarkably underwhelming, but underwhelming doesn't necessitate that she's bad. She fits in with WotC current design philosophy and that's about it.
July 4, 2016 12:59 p.m.
The new Liliana:
+1 keeps it alive/kills weenies
-2 is card advantage and fuels synergies
-7 will win you the game pretty quickly
If you like ------, I'll trade for any copies that you open. Keep in mind that it 'sucks ass' though, wouldn't want to have to swap you a good card for it.
July 4, 2016 1:35 p.m.
CanadianShinobi I agree 100% with you but I must admit some disappointment given how powerful Green and White are right now. If only Lili were a must-answer threat rather than just "decent" we might see a more complex Standard format in the making. As it stands, EMN seems to be giving the other three colors just enough goodies for people to hold out hope the G/W and Bant decks will have competition before rotation with Kaladesh.
July 4, 2016 1:37 p.m.
I am underwhelmed by Liliana. But don't get me wrong, she's good. Have you noticed that she's just a black flip Jace? The plus is better, the minus depends, ultimate is relatively similar. As in, not the same, but it will slowly overwhelm people.
Next, the counterspell. Eh.
Legendary spider hype.
July 4, 2016 1:45 p.m.
Incendiary Flow 
Sorcery
Deals 3 dmg to creature or player, exiles on death.
_"What's your plan?" Gideon asked.
"Are you serious?" Chandra replied._
I like the flavor text.
July 4, 2016 2:10 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #47
Bad Burn spell
Incendiary Flow
Sorcery
Deal 3 damage to target creature or player. If a creature would die this way, exile it instead.
WotC, why would you reprint Incinerate at Uncommon, and what is SOOO good about 2 mana for a Bolt that you just HAD to make it at sorcery speed? Red needs a little love...
July 4, 2016 2:12 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #48
Stellar flavor text on Incendiary Flow. Pretty good Lightning Strike replacement.
July 4, 2016 2:35 p.m.
Let's have a closer look to this, so long-awaited, so nicely hyped, sexy girl, that was said to be everyone's last hope, her alone able to "duel" (or "deal with", or "compete anyhow" etc.) with new Emrakul.
1BB - 3cmc is always cool. Everyone realizes that after what happened to Jace, Vryn's Prodigy's very few weeks after Origins release. Is there any card you'd like to play in mono B deck turn 3?
Hm... are there any mono B, or heavy B-oriented decks nowadays? Haven't seen any in my meta, but perhaps. Anyway, ok - 3 drop planeswalker that hits...
< +1 > ... Nothing. In whole current standard there is literally no removal as weak as this ability in current Standard. Death Wind, Tar Snare (I wouldn't dare mentioning Grasp of Darkness here), Flatten (even Throttle), Sparkmage's Gambit, Boiling Earth, Seismic Rupture, Eyeblight Massacre - each one of those unplayable (limited - hardly, constructed - highly) cards is better than this ability in the matter of spot removal, attackers or blockers disabling etc. I'd understand it for +2 loyality counters, but +1 is not even good for a laugh. In comparison to Jace, Architect's +1 ability it's still slightly worse (Jace could at least defend himself against non-boosted tokens). Jace, Telepath has the very same level of defens being MONO U guy with much better option to flashback already used removal. Turn 3 stupid vanilla Expedition Envoy is far beyond disarming by -2 or removing by -1. Stupid Gideon's +0 Ally is to strong for Liliana - most powerfull necromancer in the history of multiverse, who killed legendary demons during last few hundred of years.
< -2 > Strictly worse Corpse Chun. It could give us a body to defend Liliana, but let's take a look at other - X abilities that leaves our planeswalker at 1 "life", taken in no-time by any kind of crap coming towards us.
Jace, Telepath -2 : as I said before, flashback for any removal or other support, worth risk of leaving him at 1 or crucial to our own win / survival, no matter what happens to Jace after that. Returning a creature from graveyard to pay for it afterwards (definitely not usable in turn 3) is much, much worse option
Chandra, Roaring Flame -2: removal against something weak, still better than new Lily's +1 and she stays at 2, not 1 after that.
Liliana, Defiant Necromancer -X (let's say -2): don't make me compare it. Sylvan Advocate is the best option, any other is also good, especially with a 2/2 zombie from flip.
Nissa, Sage Animist -2 : 4/4 elemental. Period.
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar -2: any turn 1 or 2 drops becomes a decent target for Grasp of Darkness and good blocker (still talking about turn 3). Later in the game - you've surely been hit by it, you know it.
Kiora, Master of Depths -2: Pretty much the same, only strictly better and she stays on 2 after that.
Nahiri -2: gimme a break
Narset -2: 2 removals to defend her, while she stays on 4
Jace, Unraveler / Ob Nixilis -2 : much better defence, much more credit.
Arlinn's -2: there are some similiarities (stays at 1, so quite risky), but here we have strong removal with 3 dmg into a creature and wolf token summoned earlier.
Sarkhan Unbroken -2: 4/4 flying dragon
Sorin -X: mwahahahahahhaha
Tamiyo -2: hits 2 creatures / permanents (Gideon for example), stays on 2.
This ability is simply Mortuary Mire with some random option to fuel delirium / ruin your draw / give a start to some zombie-tribal ressurection gimmicks. In my opionion, the worst -X ability so far.
< -7 > I don't know. As I said, I haven't seen a good, consistent, highly aggressive zombie tribal deck. I've been running UB control with Rise from the Tides since SoI release and I wouldn't need it there. Even IF somehow you'll be able to hit her ultimate, that's not much for an ultimate as such and that's quite pathetic in comparision to other ultimates in Standard - Sorin's, Nahiri's, Nissa's, Jace's (any version), Ob's - any one's. Each single one ultimate is a death clock for an opponent, with much less effort for us to use it for the win than with Lily's, and with much more effort to overcome it for the opponent thatn with Lily's.
All in all - many of you probably have different view for this card and I respect that. But I can hardly believe that this planeswalker stands up to anyone's hopes and imagination about "THE Last Hope" against apocalypse and Emrakul.
July 4, 2016 2:40 p.m.
Punderstorm says... #50
Why is Deploy the Gatewatch a mythic? Seriously, why? Do they really think that planeswalkers are going to get pulled in draft enough for it to be super good at rare? I understand that it'd have to be rare because it's something with an unusual effect, but to stick it in as a mythic is just terrible.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #1
That new Lili looks pretty good, not op, but strong enough to see play for sure. Her +1 hoses small creature decks, her -2 is a psuedo-Tasigur play, and her ultimate wins the game. I like her. Plus her art makes me think she is saying "come at me Bro'mrakul".
Also, that new flash wolf is a needed addition to werewolves. I love how between that Pack Guardian, and Howlpack Resurgence (and Collected Company if you choose), a solid chunk of the werewolf deck's permanents can be played at instant speed.
Nephalia Academy seems to have a ton of potential and it is a may ability which is nice.
July 4, 2016 11:05 a.m.