Eldritch Moon Spoiler Thread
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Posted on June 20, 2016, 11:36 a.m. by DarkLaw
I don't think there is one yet, at least not one posted recently. If there is, feel free to correct me.
TheFoilAjani says... #2
Punderstorm No, it's exactly the opposite; you aren't getting enough Planeswalkers in a draft for it to be rare, otherwise we get another Call the Gatewatch. It's great at mythic because you won't run into it too often in draft.
July 4, 2016 2:50 p.m.
Punderstorm says... #3
Wiktul has a good point with that. Emrakul would kick this Liliana's ass. It's been made clear that she uses the chain veils power against Emrakul so why is she so weak? Flavor wise, Liliana's new card is a huge fail.
July 4, 2016 2:52 p.m.
Punderstorm says... #4
@TheFoilAjani OK that's a fair point. That makes sense, but man what a disappointing pull that'd be.
July 4, 2016 2:54 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #5
Punderstorm We can't have a 3 cmc planeswalker beat your 13 cmc Godbeast, that would just be silly :P
And Liliana's ult kills pretty quickly by the time your opponent could cast Emmy.
July 4, 2016 2:54 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #6
Oh yeah, no arguements there. But they're printing the card, so we'll just have to deal.
July 4, 2016 2:55 p.m.
The problem with Liliana is that everyone underrates it. Just like baby Jace, coincidentally.
July 4, 2016 2:57 p.m.
Punderstorm its probably the other way around, PW are not gonna be pulled alot in draft so it would make a horrible rare. At mythic its alot less likely you will get one, which is nice since its unlikely you will get to use it..
July 4, 2016 3 p.m.
shinobigarth says... #9
i dunno, i believe in new Lili. her emblem sits there continually giving you more zombies, and it does something if you get out multiples. -7 is a lot for that when she starts at 3 though.
July 4, 2016 3:24 p.m.
TheAlexGnan - Getting back cards you get to use once (Jace with instants and sorceries) is much better than getting back cards that stay for longer (creatures with Lili). Jace's ability is more in demand because it's just worth more in terms of value.
July 4, 2016 3:38 p.m.
The_Redpill says... #11
I'm just going to pretend that MaRo's card was Liliana instead of the spider so I don't have to cry.
But considering the new Liliana, I might have to cry anyways...
July 4, 2016 3:45 p.m.
shinobigarth says... #12
she's not bad, everyone was just expecting Lili Veil part 2 which was not gonna happen. you dont auto put new Lili into any black deck like with Veil, but you can make her work. if you manage to pop her ult in a zombie deck, you at least have a replenishing army for the rest of the game, even on an empty board. even if not her -2 puts stuff in the yard for a deck that wants that.
well see how much $ she settles on, i might build something around her or put her in something zombie related.
July 4, 2016 5:43 p.m. Edited.
genericaura says... #13
Pretending that you play New Lili turn three, and your opponent is going to play Emrakul turn nine (assuming they don't crack a fetch, that's pretty normal) Lili will have her emblem turn seven, and produce two zombies, then four, then six, for a total of twelve zombies, almost twice the power of Newmrakul. Liliana can kill Emrakul, without any help, and seems like an underdog to everyone comparing the cards. I'd say it matches the story well.
July 4, 2016 5:48 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #14
DarkLaw YES. People these days don't get how powerful a planeswalker for 3 mana is. Liliana is pretty stellar if you ask me.
+1: Will usually kill a dude that was played on Turn 2 or 3. Not always kills, but also reduces what your opponent can hit for. Sometimes, this is just a falter effect on one of your opponents creatures. Also help out because it helps kill the big butted creatures in combination with Languish. Later on in the game, it still kills stuff, but whatever, it don't matter much by then. Instead, you...
-2: This actually in the late game is better protection. Milling in a format with delirium is strong enough, but also getting a dude back? And not just any dude, but your best creature? Seems very strong.
Ultimate: Wins the game. Doesn't really matter however because you're already winning if you can ultimate her.
And this is only a three mana investment. Hopefully stores will underrate this card as well. I'm gonna preorder a playset.
July 4, 2016 5:51 p.m.
AwezomePozzum says... #15
genericaura: That does make sense, I think i might build a grixis zombie spell deck around her and Rise from the Tides.
July 4, 2016 5:52 p.m.
So I'm stoked I've already been playing mono black delirium and now with the new delirium green drop and this Lili I'm absolutely playing GB delirium. Holy crap this deck is gonna be good.
July 4, 2016 5:55 p.m.
Yeah, G/B Delirium looks super promising once they spoiled Gnarlwood Dryad, One-drop deathtouch is always amazing and this one gets bigger later in the game. It's completely perfect.
July 4, 2016 6:04 p.m.
demonicgrizzly says... #18
I want Eldritch Evolution in my tiny leaders deck.
It basically reads "sac a creature and search for whatever you want"
July 4, 2016 6:21 p.m.
New Lili is meh overall, but I'm okay with this because I run a mono black zombie edh so it works for me lol. But that's the issue, she is only good because I'm running zombies. I wouldn't touch her otherwise.
Wanting to just touch on United Resistance. I would probably run this in Nekusar because this allows you to be a bit more political. You can just hit one person with this several times to end them, and it works great if you're down to the last two. Lastly it can serve as removal if needed. It's not the best card by a mile, but for more budget decks, it can function as a very versatile and political card.
July 4, 2016 6:34 p.m.
They missed the prime standard Opportunity for reprinting LOTV. Many good decks are creature decks that go wide.
July 4, 2016 6:49 p.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #21
DarkLaw Maro says that the Modern cards needed for reprints are too powerful for Standard. Meanwhile prices for Modern staples keep climbing and Modern Masters is unsubstainable since it's a draft oriented set.
Welcome to the infinite sadness.
July 4, 2016 6:56 p.m.
If people are complaining about the flavour of Lili not matching her possession of the Chain Veil, I feel like her Ult is that flavour. It's an accumulation of Zombies over time. The Zombie army minimally starts at 2 and it just gets bigger from there. To me, that's using the chain veil to keep her Zombie Army growing over time.
July 4, 2016 6:56 p.m.
The_Redpill says... #23
I don't think it works this way, considering they're mana abilities, but shouldn't Summary Dismissal be able to counter lands tapping for mana?
July 4, 2016 7:03 p.m.
No, you can't counter lands. That effect would break magic and Wizards would never print a card capable of it
July 4, 2016 7:06 p.m.
The_Redpill says... #25
No I don't mean countering the land, I mean countering the 'T: add B to your mana pool' ability
July 4, 2016 7:09 p.m.
demonicgrizzly says... #26
Doesn't work. Mana abilities don't use the stack, including lands making mana.
July 4, 2016 7:18 p.m. Edited.
genericaura says... #27
The_Redpill Mana abilities essentially have split second, they can't be responded to. It's one of the few things that can't be countered. (The other one I can think of is lands, which don't even use the stack. That's why it always says "play" a land instead of cast.)
July 4, 2016 7:20 p.m.
The_Redpill says... #28
Ok yeah, that's what I originally thought. Thanks for the clarification
July 4, 2016 7:31 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #29
Mana abilities, both activated and triggered, don't use the stack and resolve immediately. And therefore cannot be responded to. That's the most basic explanation for it.
City of Solitude is one of the very few cards that, by itself, shuts down mana abilities, including ones that are on lands.
July 4, 2016 8:16 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #30
@DarkLaw wizards has never reprinted a planeswalker in an expert level expansion besides the core sets. there's no way they'd break that trend here.
Only reason New Lili could possibly not be good is because of the metagame. If wizards focused a tad less on creatures (which is what I think is happening on Kaladesh) we're probably going to see Liliana do much better. I still think she's very powerful though.
Lili also is real good against Nissa, which I like. Also, a lot of creatures have two power in the meta, so that's a bit of a bonus, being able to essentially bubble a dude.
Rule #1 of planeswalkers: Never, Never, Never underestimate a three mana planeswalker.
July 4, 2016 8:34 p.m.
Rule #2: Never underestimate the power of a 2-mana planeswalker...oh wait.
July 4, 2016 9:04 p.m.
shinobigarth says... #32
haha.
anyway, i was watching this video just now, and Wedge made a good point. he reminded how a lot of people said Baby Jace, and Nissa and Chandra from Gatewatch were bad when they were spoiled.
July 4, 2016 9:22 p.m.
Well I will say that this Liliana is annoying to play against when I am playing Lingering Souls + Young Pyromancer in a 
deck.
July 4, 2016 9:58 p.m.
I dont know about you guys but I am very excited for lilianas oath and liliana. I have been wanting to make a BG delirium deck do well and I think those will really help. I also think that liliana is good in BG control but her minus 2 basically doesnt do much until much later in the game which is why I think she would be good in a graveyard strategy. Either way I am excited for them.
July 4, 2016 10:43 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #36
Cryptbreaker
BCreature - Zombie (Rare)
1B, Tap, Discard a card: Put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token into the battlefield.
Tap three untapped Zombies you control: You draw a card and you lose 1 life.
1/1
July 5, 2016 12:16 a.m.
Im excited about Cryptbreaker, if we get one or two more good and cheap zombies that may finally be a thing in standard!
July 5, 2016 12:36 a.m.
Dang, he's a good discard outlet, but I'm not sure how good he'd be outside of a zombie deck. He technically can work all by himself, but it's a bit too much trouble than its worth unless your deck is built for zombies. (In which case it mostly is, but I'm pondering his viability in a non-zombie reanimator EDH deck.)
July 5, 2016 12:37 a.m.
Crypt Breaker is pretty darned good. (By WotC's latest power-level trends anyways.) Trading your expensive cards for a turn two 2/2 blocker so you can stay on curve is a wonderful ability for a 1 drop to have, especially if you have a 5-6 drop in hand but you had to mull to 4 or 5.
Also discarding Prized Amalgam so you have a 2/2 to help protect T3 new Liliana seems decent.
July 5, 2016 12:44 a.m.
Punderstorm says... #41
This set is really driving me nuts. I really want to like it, and I love the artwork, but damn, the quality of the cards in this set are so lacking. I think the only things that have really caught my interest are Docent of Perfection, Tamiyo, and now Crypt Breaker. I suppose the upside to this is that I won't be spending much money on this set.
July 5, 2016 2:20 a.m.
Well I mean if you play Standard Tamiyo might be pretty expensive.. can't say for sure but I could see it.
July 5, 2016 2:23 a.m.
Punderstorm says... #43
Nah, I just do EDH. I prefer not to sink a bunch of money into a bunch of cards that will tank in value and never get used again after rotation.
July 5, 2016 2:36 a.m.
Remember back when Perplexing Chimera made a big splash at LGS "fun" games for awhile?
I am hoping for something zany like that.
Trisket Skeleton Phobia is close to that but I don't think it's gonna matter unless I make a bunch of mono decks with no way to remove it and tell people to "have fun".
July 5, 2016 2:51 a.m.
Hey, I noticed a lot of the cards spoiled so far have been uploaded to the deckbuilding system, but not Haunted Dead. Just saying I'd like to see this added. I don't really know who to tell about this sort of thing so I'm posting it here...
July 5, 2016 5:16 a.m.
I'd just like to point out that Curious Homunculus is a DFC :P
But hey, other than that, it's great that you've got pretty much everything (except for probably the Melds) sorted out weeks before the release :)
Also, casual plug for my brew: A New Storm to Harness
July 5, 2016 7:13 a.m.
July 5, 2016 7:18 a.m.
Sometimes I almost wish there were different threads for the reveals depending on what format you play... as an avid Standard player this set is amazing lol Yes, I recognize there isn't nearly as much value in the older formats but please let us get hyped about it without trying to bring it down. And there have certainly been modern and even Eternal playable cards in the set. So all that to say, let the Standard players have their hype season and stop trying to tank the excitement because the cards aren't modern or edh relevant
July 5, 2016 8:40 a.m.
Unfortunately, there will always be a complainer or two about the power level. Though you are right Zaueski.
July 5, 2016 8:46 a.m.
The power level of this set is off the charts!
And I mean Show
Anyhow Zaueski, besides the obvious mythic Planeswalkers, what else is amazing for standard? I am genuinely interested!
TheFoilAjani says... #1
Wiktul I think I can mostly agree woth the analysis, but two things;
Liliana makes it easier to kill things in combat with her plus than literal-actual-baby-Jace, which means attacking into a Sylvan Advocate with a zombie token is actually good.
Quick correction, Jace, Telepath Unbound Flip's minus ability is -3, not -2.
July 4, 2016 2:48 p.m.