Eldritch Moon Spoiler Thread
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Posted on June 20, 2016, 11:36 a.m. by DarkLaw
I don't think there is one yet, at least not one posted recently. If there is, feel free to correct me.
golffore297 says... #2
Guys it's obvious the front side of Hanweir will be a legendary wall. Wall tribal EDH incoming. 130 is really unlikely to be a land and the big crazy thing the town did was build a wall with no entrances or exits so...
June 21, 2016 11:28 p.m.
golffore297 says... #3
Also here's the image for people that haven't seen it. Art is beyond creepy, but awesome.
June 21, 2016 11:30 p.m.
Weird that Emrakul corrupted the houses as well. I assume that Emrakul just corrupted the villagers, but that's still weird territory.
June 22, 2016 12:20 a.m.
Raptor199X says... #5
Well it is an Eldrazi Ooze. Emmy probably just corrupted the Ooze,moss and filth in the town and as that grew, the houses became part of it. Or Emmy corrupted the mould on the houses
June 22, 2016 1:02 a.m.
Ignore what this said before, I didn't realize that I was looking at not the last page of the thread.
June 22, 2016 2:35 a.m. Edited.
For all competitive events, "outside of the game" means "in your side" :)
June 22, 2016 5:40 a.m.
MagicalHacker says... #11
Since these DFCs are noneldrazi->eldrazi, what do you think the flip condition will be?
June 22, 2016 6:44 a.m.
Some kind of delirium-based flip condition maybe?
Also, calling it here and now that Emrakul gets trapped in the moon, which we know is made of silver and can act like the multiverses biggest helavault.
June 22, 2016 7:32 a.m.
KUW if you are playing in a standard event, you can only have standard cards in your sideboard (outside the game). If it is some sort of kitchen table magic and it isn't necessarily standard, grab whatever you want I guess.
June 22, 2016 7:46 a.m.
PistonGolem says... #14
If WotC made Hanweir #130, I am surprised they didn't make Emrakul #13 on purpose. It would have been a "kul" Easter egg.
Also KUW, in a non-sanctioned event, you can use your collection; but in a sanctioned event such as a prerelease, you have to use your sideboard.
June 22, 2016 8:52 a.m.
DarkLaw - Nahiri saw the Eldrazi Titans walking Zendikar almost immediately after escaping the Helvault. - This was during last Innistrad block.
We do not know when Emrakul left Zendikar; only that it was sometime between original Innistrad, and current Innistrad. Emrakul was likely still on Zen when Nahiri saw the Titans had escaped, and it is quite likely that the reason Emmrakul left Zen was because she was lured away.
June 22, 2016 9:15 a.m.
Subbing to the thread to keep an eye for news on Liliana the Last Hope :)
June 22, 2016 9:52 a.m.
MagicalHacker says... #17
DaftVader, maybe something like "Whenever you discard a card, if you have three or more card types among cards in your graveyard, transform ~"?
Also, eldrazi moon theory sounds hella likely (no pun intended).
June 22, 2016 10:13 a.m.
AgentGreen MaRo has already said (during pax I think) that Liliana WILL eventually join the Gatewatch and that all Gatewatch members will have an Oath card.
June 22, 2016 10:34 a.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #19
Considering the flip side has haste, I believe it's safe to assume that either:
the flip condition can be accomplished the same turn it comes out easily enough.
it exiles itself like the Origin Walkers, and re-enters flipped. Allowing etb to be abused in some way.
June 22, 2016 10:57 a.m.
I'm going to jump on a limb and say 
for this Ooze fellow.
June 22, 2016 11:21 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #21
I'd have to say based on art, card name, and similarities with ormendhal that the front side is a land.
Art- you can see the buildings with the ooze more than likely being made up of the former inhabitants.
Name- Hanweir. The place.
Similarities- the haste. Why would a 7\4 trample need haste unless it either exiled and returned or flipped like Abbey? Considering the context of my other 2 points I'll err on the side of saying it's more like Abbey.
My conclusion:. The front will have a steep cost attached to a delerium ability to flip. Such as "5-6: draw a card then discard a card. If you have 4 or more card types in the graveyard, transform."
June 22, 2016 11:37 a.m.
It is not a land, unless there are more than 70 lands in the set. This card is numbered 130/205, placing it in green most likely. An enchantment is the most likely card type this is on the other side.
June 22, 2016 11:44 a.m.
Maybe a corrupted ooze creature? Like a corrupted version of Inexorable Blob?
June 22, 2016 11:54 a.m.
Doesn't that seem a little busted VampireArmy? The last thing Jund in Modern needs is a land that can turn into a 7/4 Trample Haste creature by turn 4 or 5.
June 22, 2016 12:54 p.m.
Good observation Boza.
Maybe the Haste is due to a creature with an activated ability that doesn't require tapping. Or just a triggered ability that is probable to be triggered when you play it. Could also be a result of some type of Lord creature similar to Vildin-Pack Alpha Flip also.
June 22, 2016 12:58 p.m.
Its worth noting that:
1) The card can not be flipped back in its own right. (Now little arrow on the bottom right).
2) Instead of a moon in the top left its an Eldrazi. I wonder what that means in terms of "Transformation" Planswalkers (Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip), Werewolves (Huntmaster of the Fells Flip), and even lands (Westvale Abbey Flip) all have a moon... This new card has an Eldrazi symbol. I think that it is an entirely different mechanic all together.
Perhaps its a card that can be cast for its front side but enters transformed if a condition is met. Or maybe it is a spell that can be cast for its normal cost OR has a alternate cost to cast the back. Just ideas. But I am pretty sure it will be different then any other transform mechanic we have seen to date.
June 22, 2016 1:07 p.m.
I immediately thought Legendary Green Wall creature (think Archers' Parapet from KTK)
Also, I think that this is the art for the front side: [Hanweir Town] http://hanweirchronicle.com/post/146236131111) (lol no idea how to link in images)
June 22, 2016 1:11 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #28
Planeswalkers don't have the sun/moon symbols. It is a modified planeswalker symbol on the front and the planeswalker symbol on the back.
June 22, 2016 1:13 p.m.
I could also see it being a 
wall... Hanwier had created a wall with no doors surrounding the entire town. - With no exits, the filth/much/mold, etc would have been building up somewhere. I think that is what has become corrupted/altered and congealed all the living bits within the town into this horror.
Just my theory at this point.
Not sure why it would have haste though. - The only reason the PW cards are exiled and returned when transformed is because that's how they can (mechanically) get loyalty counters, so that's not likely what would happen when this transforms, so no need for haste for that. - It would certainly have something to do with being easy to transform the turn it enters play... otherwise it wouldn't need Haste. - It could also be that it's a spell that enters the battlefield transformed in some way...
June 22, 2016 1:14 p.m.
Gidgetimer Sorry, I was thinking Garruk Relentless Flip and didn't think to check the current Planswalkers. However my point still stands. Garruk and Arlinn Kord Flip both have the Sun/Moon thing and they say "Transform." The 5 Origins Walkers have the Planswalker symbol and they say exile and return transformed. So different symbol = different mechanic historically.
June 22, 2016 1:23 p.m.
Rayenous What's your source? 2 URs ago, Nahiri only saw Ulamog.
June 22, 2016 1:27 p.m.
Yes, she only saw Ulamog, but the timing in the same story said that she saw it immediately following the destruction of the Helvault.
We know that all 3 titans were present on Zendikar following their release. It was stated that people did not know why nor when Emrakul and Kozilek left (and we later discovered that Kozilek never actually left).
As Eldrazi are fairly single-minded creatures created for the purpose of consuming Planes, there would be no reason for Emrakul to have left on her own accord until Zendikar was consumed. - Something had to have caused her to leave... and since we know of nothing else that would cause a Titan to leave, it stands to reason something lured her away from Zendikar.
(If you require 'canon prof of when Emmy left Zendiakr' to prove she was lured off by Nahiri, I would ask for the same 'canon prof of when Emmy left Zendikar' to prove she was not lured off by Nahiri.)
June 22, 2016 1:34 p.m. Edited.
MindAblaze says... #33
130 is somewhere in the middle of the set, so either black or red most likely. It makes sense to be red, since black and green don't usually get haste.
June 22, 2016 2:14 p.m.
Emrakul is #6... so there's at least 5 other colorless... AND they all fall before "Emrakul,..." alphabetically. - There are probably another 6-7 or so after Emmy.
Let's give a fair to low estimate of 12 colorless cards.
"Coax from the Blind Eternities" is number 51... this is an early 
, assuming there aren't a lot before 'Co'.
We've also been told by MaRo, that there are no 'Deviod' cards... so no need to try to figure out where those cards fit in with card numbers.
Ulrich is multi-color, at slot 191,... let's be conservative again with 10 multi color, and assume 'Ul' is towards the end of those.
So color cards should fit from about 13 to 181... or 168 cards.That's about 33-34 cards per color.
~13-47 = 
~48-80 =
~81-113 =
~114-146 = 
~147-181 =
Even if you shift these numbers by 10 or so in either direction, this (number 130) looks like it is likely a card on the front side.
June 22, 2016 3:13 p.m. Edited.
Jimmy_Chinchila says... #35
So transform symbols: planeswalker symbol and non-spark version on the Origins walkers, Sun/Moon on Innistrad ones, and Emrakul/? on the Eldritch ones. I wonder what the other symbol will be
June 22, 2016 3:14 p.m.
Jimmy_Chinchila - The Emrakul symbol represents things that have been effected by Emrakul.
So the front side should be a symbol representing their natural state.
...So... Probably an Apple Blossom, or a Mocking Bird. Those are symbols of Arkansas ('The Natural State')
:-)
June 22, 2016 3:20 p.m.
Ignore me. Beaten to the number analysis by a few posts. Curses
June 22, 2016 3:24 p.m. Edited.
RayenousSorry, but there are too many completely unfounded statements here. Firstly, you said "created". From a lore perspective, we don't have any clue about their origin.
Secondly, regarding the Eldrazi being single-minded. They have demonstrated some form of intelligence a few times. For example, Emrakul has some kind of method of mind control, and might be able to communicate over massive stretches in a foreign language using its mind? Okay, it's ridiculous, but hey, I didn't write the story. They're just associated with being mindless consumers because they never needed to use any wit to eat planes.
Perhaps more importantly, there's no reason for them all to devour the same plane at once. The only reason that they all came to Zendikar at once was because some massive stores of mana were used as bait or something like that, so plenty to share. They appear to have some kind of friendship going on. But that mana lure was presumably destroyed with the trap, or maybe even just taken by a planeswalker because it was no longer needed. It makes perfect sense that they would split up very quickly after their release to get delicious planes to themselves. The only reason why Kozilek didn't leave was the magical convenience of an unexplained power nap.
June 22, 2016 3:36 p.m.
Rayenous is just being a wizard with all his magic math know-how.
June 22, 2016 3:38 p.m.
I believe that would have been real if it was 10 or 20 tokens at the end, but 50? Nope, highly doubt it.
June 22, 2016 3:49 p.m.
00xtremeninja says... #42
with the threat of 50 2/2's on the battlefield, with an already couple of tokens made from the discard.......nobody in their right mind would allow her to survive past a turn. I could see Wizards doing something incredibly stupid like that to make EDH players have a hilarious addition to their decks, but that screams fake.
June 22, 2016 3:55 p.m.
DarkLaw - When Drana connected mentally to the Eldrazi, her mind was flooded and repeatedly assailed with "You will consume. You will scour clean.". This is a clear depiction of 'single minded'.
Note that 'single-minded' does not equate to 'unintelligent'. It simply means it would be more difficult to 'convince' an Eldrazi Titan to leave a Plane until it has finished the consumption of that Plane... appealing to it's focus of consumption would be the easiest way to do this.
In order to free herself from this connection and prevent herself from being completely taken over. Drana had to force her mind to focus on the thoughts, "I server no one!", and, "I belong to no one!". - Though I used the term 'created', it may not be entirely correct... but they are definitely 'controlled', 'driven' by something/someone giving them their 'purpose'.
I agree... there's no reason for them to all consume the same Plane at once... that is moot to my theories. - Once on the Plane (together or separate) there would be no reason for them to leave until they are done. - But I would point out that their destruction styles are different... they appear to compliment each other and are probably more difficult to overcome than they would be separately.
June 22, 2016 4 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #44
I don't know why I didn't get any notifications but I'll note that my speculation was just that. I never claimed to know for sure.
June 22, 2016 4:05 p.m.
Rayenous The problem with using a large Eldrazi that isn't a Titan as an example of Titan activity is that they aren't the Titan themselves. They're just extensions of the Titans.
I admit getting caught up on the single-minded/intelligent thing. Still, that makes it easier to suggest otherwise. Kozilek demonstrates a glee in killing Gideon, and Emrakul's cryptic mind message seems to suggest that it would like to dominate a plane with mind control, or words to that effect. I suppose these could loosely be forced under the desire to consume planes, but it isn't clear-cut. The major problem is, there's no real way to see if Emrakul has any purpose other than that loosely-defined compound motive. Someone would need to be powerful enough to challenge Emrakul to do this.
On a completely unrelated note, how in the world can Emrakul take over Innistrad? Unless it can mind control every squirrel with the potential to fly on Innistrad, then it's laughable. Ulrich can kill it with a couple of beef-up spells. Single-handedly.
June 22, 2016 4:35 p.m.
Actually, I think Hanweirs front face is red, considering the color of some of the cards from the town for example Hanweir Lancer
June 22, 2016 5:20 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #47
MurderHood, as much as I would like this for its flavor, the ult looks broken. The font and spacing also look a bit off.
June 22, 2016 5:31 p.m.
Oops didn't check gatherer first- there's only four cards with Hanweir in the name, and 3 with Hanweir in the flavor text (though we'll exclude the zombie). Bane of Hanweir Flip, Hanweir Lancer, Gryff Vanguard (assuming they are part of Hanweirs army), Cloistered Youth Flip and Hanweir Militia Captain Flip. So it's either White (unlikely due to set number), or Red.
That Liliana's power level is practically on par with Jace the Mind Sculptor, so I'd be pleasantly surprised if it is legit (text looks weird on my phone so doubtful)
June 22, 2016 5:42 p.m.
Real or fake? Worse than Veil but better than healer. The -2 ability loses to hexproof or targetted abilities, but this could be good in a Mono deck.
June 22, 2016 6:30 p.m.
AgentGreen says... #50
I think that Liliana is bogus
The text is weird.
That being said. If it is legit, it's perfect in a madness or mono-black deck.
KUW says... #1
I'm wondering how Coax from the Blind Eternities is going to interact with format restrictions. Will you be able to lure a non-standard Eldrazi into a standard game?
Also what about pre-release events, can we bring all our backup Eldrazi along and hope to be able to Coax them in?
June 21, 2016 11:18 p.m.