Eldritch Moon Spoiler Thread
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Posted on June 20, 2016, 11:36 a.m. by DarkLaw
I don't think there is one yet, at least not one posted recently. If there is, feel free to correct me.
Boza I don't doubt it but do we have a 100% confirmation it's fake?
June 22, 2016 6:58 p.m.
Thanks Bovine073 and PistonGolem I was wondering how Coax wasn't broken, but that makes sense.
June 22, 2016 7:26 p.m.
JKLawson89 says... #6
Tibalt is not dead.
The plane itself seems able to be corrupted by Emrakul Thraben Inspector, much like Ulamog and Kozilek effect the land in their own way Ruin in Their Wake.
With that, Hanweir seems like it could have been directly touched by Emrakul.
Bruna and Gisela probably will just be Eldrazi Horror and not an Angel anymore.
June 22, 2016 8:04 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #7
So, MagicSpoilers says the Hanweir Ooze is a white creature, any thoughts?
June 22, 2016 9:31 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle Denial048 It's a flip card so the other side is white. It's likely a creature or an enchantment.
June 22, 2016 10:54 p.m.
Can't be white based on the collectors number, unless there is about 120 colorless cards and about 15 of each colour.
That said, I would assume they are calling the back side white, because it is almost the same color as devoid white cards
June 22, 2016 11 p.m.
ok, since presumably lilliana is going to fight emrakul, would it be possible to get a black oath? That gets you zombies or makes your opponent discard?
June 22, 2016 11:10 p.m.
AwezomePozzum says... #12
TobyG Lol it's been said plenty of times that Liliana doesn't want to be part of the superfriendjusticeleaguebros FINE, the Gatewatch anyway.
That lili PW was totally fake tho. I mean, 50 F*CKING ZAMBIES. FOR SEVEN LOYALTY.
June 22, 2016 11:35 p.m.
Does anyone know who the voice actress for Liliana is in the Eldritch Moon trailer? It sounded a lot like Jen Taylor to me, but I can't find any information on it.
June 23, 2016 12:10 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #15
Sloanan if that is legit that is brutal. It will slow things down in a hurry for your opponent, it will also gives you a turn to deal with those hexproof dragons.
I want that for my B/W control deck (if legit)
June 23, 2016 8:17 a.m.
Supplanter of Identity 
Creature - Shapeshifter
Whenever Supplanter of Identity attacks you may exile another target non-token creature. If you do, Supplanter of Identity becomes a copy of that creature until the end of the turn. Return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control at the begining of the next end step.
0/3
June 23, 2016 8:21 a.m.
Basically, you swing at your opponent with their largest/best creature each turn. - Unfortuantely, if you copy a creature that has a "when this creature attacks..." ability, you don't get to use that ability.
Real good in Limited. Probably useable in some Commander decks. Not likely good enough for Standard. Horrible in Modern/Legacy.
June 23, 2016 8:26 a.m.
elpokitolama says... #18
WAIFU'S BACK TO KICK ASSES
I checked the card, and it is most likely completly legit! I didn't completly check the art, but it fits Voss' style. :)
Damn, that's the reason why Death and Taxes/Hatebears players like me were so hyped by the return to Innistrad.
June 23, 2016 8:29 a.m.
Thalia, Catar Heretic 
Legendary Creature - Human Soldier - Rare
First strike
Creatures and non-basic lands your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
"The Lunar Council do not guarantee your salvation. You have to earn it; with a sword, if necessary."
June 23, 2016 8:42 a.m.
Supplanter synergies in Standard:
- Force transform cards back to their front side... "That's a nice Ormendahl, Profane Prince Flip you have there! And you only had to sac 5 creatures for it?"
- Permanently kill something by combining it with Processing. "I'll exile your Archangel Avacyn Flip.. hit you for 4... after combat, I cast Wasteland Strangler, put Avacyn in your grave and kill your 3/3."
- Flicker your own creatures with ETB effects. "I'll swing... I'll exile my Reflector Mage.., and at EoT, bounce your creature."
June 23, 2016 8:54 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #22
Solid in Standard, but HUGE in modern
Fetchlands can't be used on drop, and can be pulled by CoCo
June 23, 2016 8:56 a.m.
Not only can fetch lands not be used when played, but when they are used, what they fetch will be tapped. - Hurts them so bad.
June 23, 2016 9:45 a.m.
Well it's not a 2 drop but that new Thalia is still pretty dope. Dope like Sin Prodder..that is good but not quite good enough to warrant a spot in modern IMO.
June 23, 2016 11:16 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #25
In modern Rayenous if they fetch it won't be tapped unless it's the battle lands.
In standard; absolutely it will suck hard.
June 23, 2016 11:20 a.m.
What? If somebody uses Polluted Delta to fetch Watery Grave then they would both come in tapped while Thalia is in play.
Maybe you meant to say Legacy/Vintage with the ABUR duals?
June 23, 2016 11:22 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #27
kengiczar I disagree
How many non-basic lands do modern decks often hold?
In a control deck Thalia can really do some damage, and her first strike ability makes her pretty tough to take down
June 23, 2016 11:22 a.m.
AgentGreen A lot? I'm not sure what point is trying to be made.
June 23, 2016 11:25 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #29
kengiczar First off, it won't work that way
What would happen is when Thalia is down, you play the Delta. Delta ETB tapped so you can't use it right away (you have to tap, then pay the life and sac it), then on your next turn you want to use it to fetch Watery grave; that grave comes into play tapped regardless if you pay the 2 life, so it really slows down fetches and ramp decks.
Baltic the point I'm trying to make is that Thalia is going to be a modern control staple
June 23, 2016 11:27 a.m.
AgentGreen I think I see the confusion. I think you may have mixed up "standard" and "modern" in your original comment
June 23, 2016 11:30 a.m.
Boza are you sure it is a rare? It looks like a Mythic symbol to me...
Either way, I am super stoked to fit 1 or 2 of these into my Abzan coco combo deck in modern. (maybe in the 75 if not the 60)
June 23, 2016 11:51 a.m.
@ AgentGreen - "What would happen is when Thalia is down, you play the Delta. Delta ETB tapped so you can't use it right away (you have to tap, then pay the life and sac it), then on your next turn you want to use it to fetch Watery grave; that grave comes into play tapped regardless if you pay the 2 life, so it really slows down fetches and ramp decks."
This is exactly how I said it will work.
June 23, 2016 11:53 a.m.
She will not be a control staple I don't expect because she's very fragile but she will be a very popular card nonetheless. I will be running her in Abzan (sideboard) and I think she has an easy place in hatebears too.
Against fetchlands heavy decks she puts them back so many turns it's just a win. Especially if you can follow up the tempo swing with aggression.
June 23, 2016 11:54 a.m.
ChiefBell What matchups would you be bringing her in for?
June 23, 2016 11:57 a.m.
I tend to go very creature heavy G2 and G3 against Jund and Grixis to really pressure their removal spells. I'd bring her in then. Both are fetchland heavy decks, and if I get to go first it's a potential drop for me when they're still on 2 lands. If they left a fetch or shock for t3 then I've kept them off lili or some other significant play while I curve out into rhino.
June 23, 2016 12:35 p.m.
Reaxetion, first, Buy-a-box promos are never mythics and also, on other pictures of the card, you can clearly see it has the rare symbol.
June 23, 2016 12:50 p.m. Edited.
Boza I didn't know she was the BaB promo. Thanks for the clarification!!!
June 23, 2016 1:01 p.m.
Maybe I've been playing a different modern, but when I see people playing fetches, the land they fetch is only a shock if it is necessary. Otherwise, they fetch basics. That and Thalia's high cost (for modern) are strikes against it. I still think that it will see play, and the creature lockdown is probably better than you think.
Anyone comparing Sin Prodder to Thalia, you know where the door is. Thalia's way better. Also, new shapeshifter is bad. Would it break the game to get a clone that costs 1UU or UUU? Metamorph was the result, but breaks the color pie, so it should be fairly balanced.
I enjoy rants, so I'll start another. Wizards is making everything about creatures. Why? I suppose that's why I prefer older formats to newer ones. As for why that's relevant, they just put effects of enchantments on a creature.
June 23, 2016 1:16 p.m.
We have had some amazing instants and sorceries recently so I disagree with that. Look at Collected Company and others. Creatures are being pushed to the limit but our non creatures are not bad.
June 23, 2016 1:20 p.m.
DarkLaw Most modern decks try to get away with 2-5 basic lands (excluding the obvious merfolk, burn, and the like). And even if they fetch a basic to avoid the penalty it still hurts their mana for the rest of the game instead of the speed for that turn. It can hit the battlefield turn 2 in decks with ramp which is a HUGE advantage when on the play - especially if they didn't expect it coming when they kept their hand.
As for a good clone - I don't think 3 mana would be a bad thing for the game. Sure it would see some play, but I feel like there is better things to be doing with 3 mana. I support the idea! (Phyrexian Metamorph was also busted because it could hit more then just creatures, think Clever Impersonator for any color).
Also, I agree with ChiefBell. The creatures are being pushed to new heights but that doesn't mean our non-creature cards are bad. Look at Always Watching , Westvale Abbey Flip, Collected Company, Declaration in Stone, Nahiri, the Harbinger, and Brain in a Jar. Each of these have been major role players at some big payout tournaments - note its one of each type of card for example's sake. I like where R&D/Development is going and I think its healthy for the game.
June 23, 2016 1:36 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #41
New Thalia + Noble Hierarch...
Hatebears player worldwide are rejoicing at the addition of another good card.
I don't know if it makes the cut, to be honest, but this is just another piece in their toolkit at least.
June 23, 2016 1:37 p.m.
"Anyone comparing Sin Prodder to Thalia, you know where the door is. Thalia's way better."
So we should just ignore the fact that no self-respecting 
or 
deck cares about facing this card at all? I mean with Lightning Bolt, Path to Exile and Abrupt Decay, all costing less than this creature its just a Matter Reshaper with no upside in plenty of matches.
And please understand this isn't a "dies to removal" arguement, this is a "your hatebear is slow" argument.
June 23, 2016 1:41 p.m.
kengiczar I am not particularly excited to play against it with my Abzan combo deck. Even if I have removal that still slows me down. It also wastes valuable removal on a card that doesn't "win the game" on its own.
If the card demands an answer to be "not good" then it is a good card.
June 23, 2016 1:46 p.m.
I like ChiefBell's take on it. In matchups where sheer number of threats can carry the game this card is not bad at all.
June 23, 2016 1:47 p.m.
kengiczar - We do care about facing it. It has to be removed or we most likely lose. Adding another threat to the "must kill or die" category is very dangerous for decks that rely on removal.
June 23, 2016 1:53 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #46
New Thalia will fit just fine in existing white creature shells like hatebears. Part of the strength of those decks are how many creatures in the deck are weak on their own, but become overbearingly taxing once deployed together. I think any deck that ever thought about running Blind Obedience in the SB before will recognize Thalia as an upgrade. It will be a good card. Not bombtastically-great, but it's solid.
June 23, 2016 2:25 p.m.
Sorry, ChiefBell and Reaxetion, but I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Coco literally fetches creatures itself, and all of the cards that Reactexion listed except for two care about creatures (Ormendahl becomes a creature, so...). Notice how I said "everything's becoming about creatures". Obviously, everything was exaggerated, but many influential cards in recent years care about creatures even if they aren't them or don't become them. Wizards themselves said that they want about one viable but in no way overpowering control deck in standard. I guess some people don't appreciate the beauty of a Stasis lock.
Regarding kengiczar's statement, if you're expecting it to need to be hit by removal, you're assuming that it isn't played in Hatebears, because Hatebears make that really hard. And I'm not sure it's good enough to be played in many other decks. Also, dies to removal argument is assuredly a way to put a card on the "consider" list.
June 23, 2016 3:04 p.m.
I mean yeah, you still have to win with creatures. You're not getting a burn deck or something else in standard. That's fine.
June 23, 2016 3:06 p.m.
I mean my point is that everything always has and always will devolve to creature based antics at some point.
Boza says... #1
It has been debunked, the above is fake.
June 22, 2016 6:47 p.m.