Eldritch Moon Spoiler Thread
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Posted on June 20, 2016, 11:36 a.m. by DarkLaw
I don't think there is one yet, at least not one posted recently. If there is, feel free to correct me.
00xtremeninja says... #3
Why print the two angels at different rarity levels? This meld stuff feels like Wizards is doing a rip off of the monopoly game at McDonalds.
I JUST NEED THE OTHER MYTHIC AND MY MONOPOLY IS FINISHED!
June 27, 2016 11:33 a.m.
elpokitolama says... #4
Oh my god, Brisela.
Which, in French, sounds just like "break her", which makes it even creepier. X)
June 27, 2016 11:35 a.m.
shinobigarth says... #5
i'm not sure what to think about all these Megazord cards, though Brisela is crazy town. i imagine she might have to be banned in modern because she screws over a large majority of modern with the can't cast CMC 3 or less thing. and your opponent will have a hard time even playing removal to get rid of her as well.
June 27, 2016 11:38 a.m.
RoyaleWithCheese says... #6
The Mythic melds them together, the Rare doesn't. Thats why, I guess.
And god, some people in here just complains about everything...
June 27, 2016 11:38 a.m.
From Eldritch Moon Mechanics:
"There are three pairs of meld cards: Hanweir Battlements and Hanweir Garrison, plus two more you can read about in other articles on DailyMTG today."
We've already seen all 3.
June 27, 2016 11:39 a.m.
I think they actually did a pretty good job with the 3 meld cards, I'm glad there aren't any more. Sure it'll be clunky in limited but still looks fun. Gisela looks very playable. I like hanweir slightly better, though.
June 27, 2016 11:39 a.m.
Really interesting stuff! But I'm confused with Meld, do both cards have the same whole back card of Brisela, or is one half of Brisela on the backside of both cards, meaning that Brisela will be basically the size of two cards? That's the only thing I'm confused about, what's physically on the backside of the meld cards.
Emerge seems like such a good mechanic, simple, easy to comprehend, and flavorful. Wretched Gryff actually seems really good for a common. Actually, all these cards seem relatively powerful for their rarity level. I think Emerge will turn into the best mechanic of this set. Not as clunky and complex as meld, but interesting enough to surpass the others.
Escalate is cool and makes a lot of sense as a mechanic.
June 27, 2016 11:41 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #11
@ shinobigarth, you do have to find, cast, and resolve both angels before anything happens. Gisela also dies to bolt, and neither have protection from most removal. You're probably already winning if you get this far.
Do we have official rules text for Meld? Where is the flipside physically printed? On the back of both, or just one (either the one with (melds with xyz) or the one without)? What happens to the second card?
June 27, 2016 11:41 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #12
I think it's also worth noting that we've seen a lot of commons and uncommons so far. Isn't day 1 of spoilers usually predominantly rares/mythics?
June 27, 2016 11:43 a.m.
Looks like each card has half of the meld card printed on it. You need to actually put them together to create the flipped side.
I think its a fine mechanic because its so limited (only 6 cards total).
June 27, 2016 11:44 a.m.
Huh that's crazy. So one will have all the text on the flipside and the other most of Brisela's actual art.
June 27, 2016 11:45 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox
...Actually, if you can get Gisela into your graveyard, you only have to find and cast Bruna. - She'll bring Gisela back to the battlefield, and complete the meld.
Each card has half of the 'transformed' card. They will actually 'combine' to form one large card.
If something flickers the large creature (Cloudshift), both halves will return to the battlefield face up.
Still not sure how the CMC of the large creature is calculated though...
June 27, 2016 11:47 a.m. Edited.
@Rayenous: Ah okay. Thanks for clearing that up! That's way more intense then I expected haha.
June 27, 2016 11:49 a.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #17
That's interesting. Legal B.F.M. (Big Furry Monster)!
Also interesting interaction that she'll bring back the other. Overlooked that
June 27, 2016 11:51 a.m.
I never built a EDH deck so fast in my life. I guess I got to be the first person to build Brisela. whew
Anyway, the nice thing about Bruna and Gisela are that you can choose which one to be the general and the deck can play the same. It's neat, really.
June 27, 2016 11:52 a.m.
shinobigarth says... #19
yep. she brings back an angel. someone somewhere is gonna build around her in modern, just for the CMC 3 screw. just hope it doesnt take off.
i mean you can Murderous Cut her, but thats the only thing playable, unless they give us something specifically in this of value.
June 27, 2016 11:56 a.m.
That land and the 2/3 red creature are crazy good.
I really like the "Emerge" mechanic but it's just not good vs Instant heavy removal unless you use something like Leyline of Anticipation or Savage Summoning so that you can respond to a kill spell with Emerge.
They need a new keyword which is like shroud or hexproof while a card is untapped. Basically Dragonlord Ojutai's protection and then I would play with this mechanic.
June 27, 2016 12:05 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #22
Man, these initial spoilers are beginning to turn my apprehension about more Eldrazi into genuine excitement (which is great because I do love me some Eldrazi).
Here are a couple thoughs:
1) Between the fact that there are only 3 meld pairs and how powerful the Hanweir pair and the angel pair look on there own as individual cards, added with the ridiculousness of their melded form, I think Wizards did a great job with this mechanic. Keeping the # down doesn't really screw with limited, but rewards people for completing the pairs. Also, I'd be surprised if the Hanweir pair or the Angel pair (at least Gisela) didn't see play in standard
2) Emerge looks like a super powerful yet simple mechanic. Here is to hoping for some more powerful emerge cards
3) That green 1cmc delirium dryad just looks ridiculous. T1 that guy, T2 Sylvan Advocate is quite frightening
4) Escalate looks pretty good, and Blessed Alliance so far looks great. Side Note - From the art on Blessed Alliance it looks like the spirits of Innistrad are helping out the good guys.
5) Lastly, I think Thalia looks really powerful in standard even just to slow your opponents down enough to set up your board state. cough cough Brisela cough cough
June 27, 2016 12:10 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #23
I actually like the way Hanweir Garrison looks. It looks powerful due to its token making. Impact Tremors, anyone?
Also, the Cryptolith Fragment; could it be viable in Commander? I do not know much about EDH, but it looks like a tapped, groupslug Darksteel Ingot.
June 27, 2016 12:16 p.m.
Yeah Hanweir Garrison could be a strong player in Standard.
June 27, 2016 12:43 p.m.
"the fact that Wizards went with Emrakul as their grand mystery (which was the most obvious thing they could have done, even if you ignore the imagery in the card arts) is proof that they have no idea what they're doing. Or maybe they do. Maybe they're only planning on magic lasting a couple more years and they're just trying to tie up all the loose ends first. That's the only way I could see this as knowing what they're doing."
Firstly, why did you tag me? Secondly, do you even know what you're talking about?
Moving on. Madness and delirium back is nice. I'd prefer investigate even if it doesn't make sense. Escalate is neat, I suppose. DFC's are obvious. Meld is questionable. Gisela is probably standard playable without Bruna. Maybe even the Hanweir pair. But aside from EDH, not really good anywhere else. The thing that annoyed me the most, though, is that Wizards is promoting shipping and tentacle... Stuff. What exactly about "Brisela" was a good idea? I won't be playing the cards because of that, but also because of how Wizards is trying to force the combo down our throats.
Oh yeah, there's emerge too. But that requires being a creature deck, and I tend to stay away from that.
June 27, 2016 12:43 p.m.
Yeah Hanweir Garrison could be a strong player in Standard.
June 27, 2016 12:43 p.m.
Thalia's ability makes even more sense now... 2 of the 3 Meld transform and swing that turn. Since they 'exile and return', Thalia will prevent them from attacking that turn.
The third is the Angels, which doesn't have haste, and can't transform until end of turn... so Thalia will have less effect on them. I think that makes a lot of sense, from a flavour perspective.
June 27, 2016 12:58 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #28
Midnight Scavengers and Graf Rats at common will be both a draft archtype and a pauper deck once the set releases lol.
June 27, 2016 12:59 p.m.
I'm interested in seeing more 'Emerge' creatures... though I'd be more interested if they had gone with '...sacrifice one or more creatures..." rather than just a creature.
June 27, 2016 1:07 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #30
It's interesting how people said that the front side of Hanweir, the Writhing Township wouldn't be a land were correct. And technically the people that said it would be a land are also correct. Though the collector's number on HtWT matches Hanweir Garrison's number.
June 27, 2016 1:13 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #31
Interesting legendary tutor to be paired with the angels?:
June 27, 2016 1:15 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #32
I might just try to make the Midnight-Rats deck a casual deck when this set comes out lol.
June 27, 2016 1:15 p.m.
Forget the angels, that card's good in every EDH deck that wants to tutor a legend other than a commander.
Also, it says "legendary card", not creature, if you didn't notice.
June 27, 2016 1:26 p.m.
Clues deck... tutor for Tamiyo's Journal... cast the Journal, tap the Journal, sac 3 clues, tutor any card.
But really...
5CMC for a 4/4 First Strike. Not great.
5CMC for a 'Tutor a Legend'. Not great.
5CMC for a 4/4 First Strike, and a 'Tutor a Legend'... for some reason, still not great.
Commander only card, I guess?
June 27, 2016 1:39 p.m. Edited.
Gisela into Lancers into Dromoka into Bruna.
Not great, Not bad imho.
Throw Thalia in the front of that too.
June 27, 2016 1:50 p.m.
Realistically (as far as EDH is concerned at least) it's probably only even close to playable in 
or 
- add any other color and you just have better options unless you're going for jank.
June 27, 2016 2 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #37
In case anyone was wondering, the converted mana cost of the back side of the Meld cards is the sum of the CMC of both the fronts.
So Brisela has CMC of 11, Hanweir, the Writhing Township has CMC of 3, and Chittering Host has CMC of 7.
June 27, 2016 2:04 p.m.
I'd like to recall to the idea that many people questioned the playability of Nahiri, the Harbinger...
Look at how that one turned out.
Just gotta keep an open mind.
June 27, 2016 2:23 p.m.
demonicgrizzly says... #39
i am still waiting for the reveal of a good green beater for my modern stompy deck. i have been let down by the last few sets.
so far the little one drop delirium guy looks pretty solid but...stompy is has a very hard time turning on delirium
June 27, 2016 2:48 p.m.
Bruna + Gisela isn't going to be a combo in modern...Bruna simply costs too much, and the fact that Brisela stops all 3 CMC and under spells is unimportant. The angels only meld on the controlling player's end step. This means that since bruna doesn't have flash, you have to both get her into play without being countered, and have her AND gisela survive through main phase 2. In other words, assuming you set up the entire combo so that gisela is in the yard, bruna brings her back, and you get to the point where you can cast bruna, the combo is stopped by Path to Exile, Lightning Bolt, Murderous Cut, Go for the Throat, Doom Blade, and Lightning Helix. Those are just the commonly played instant speed modern removal spells which handle the combo, not to mention counter-magics like Remand mopping the floor with those kinds of shenanigans.
The combo is also likely to be stopped by Liliana of the Veil if you pull it off, or Murderous Cut.
Gisela seems pretty good on her own (other than dying to bolt) but because she does die to bolt, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet outclasses her in almost every way. Yes he lacks evasion, but he packs graveyard hate. Yes he lacks first strike, but he has the ability to generate tokens or grow himself. He still has lifelink, but doesn't die to bolt. That means only a deck which runs white but not black would even consider Gisela, but at that point you might as well go for Baneslayer Angel since it can get through Celestial Colonnade.
Don't get me wrong, I think bruna is absolutely crazy good for commander (she's literally a Sharuum the Hegemon for angel decks), but for modern I can't see these two angels seeing play.
Just figured I'd give a full breakdown of that combo, since we seem to have a few people who are scared of the "your opponent can't cast spells with CMC 3-" clause on brisela
June 27, 2016 3:12 p.m. Edited.
nobu_the_bard says... #41
I don't think she's great for Commander either, or very practical in general, but the set's not done being revealed yet, and...
She's awesome.
And really isn't that what it's all about ...!?
More importantly, poor Reya Dawnbringer no longer being the angel with the highest CMC.
June 27, 2016 3:20 p.m.
shinobigarth says... #42
I was only worried someone would figure out a way to cheat out Brisela and then it becomes a thing. I don't have extensive modern knowledge though. If it's too hard to bother then that's nothing but good news. Just didn't want a stupid format warping like the eldrazi mess.
June 27, 2016 3:24 p.m.
Oh no, I perfectly understand how reliably being able to pull off a combo which basically states "your opponent can't play modern" could warp the format.
Just wanted to make sure people knew that this clause absolutely does not stop you from mandhandling the combo nine ways to sunday.
June 27, 2016 3:27 p.m.
shinobigarth says... #44
Yeah of course, if you are drawing your removal. They could respond with hexproof as well or just Silence you before. I'm just saying I won't be surprised if some dickweed figures out how to make it work, then all the net deck kids think that's cool and copycat the deck.
June 27, 2016 3:36 p.m. Edited.
I was theorizing a Goryo's Vengeance reanimator until I was foiled by Wizards and their "cast" trigger for Bruna. So yeah it's really hard.
June 27, 2016 3:38 p.m.
The only way I can see Brisela being at all useable in Modern is through some sort of Gifts Ungiven (or similar) package... but there are just better options out there.
Buried Alive + Animate Dead, in Legacy, could let you reanimate both halves by reanimating Bruna, which brings back Gisela... then shutting down almost every deck in Legacy... how many Legacy decks can win on the basis of their 4+ CMC spells?
You know someone is going to try it in both Modern and Legacy...
Edit: TMBRLZ - I just did the same thing... 'cast triggers' suck, and should only be on Eldrazi... which, I guess this 'sort or' fits.
For Standard, it's as simple as self-mill/discard + Ever After.
June 27, 2016 3:41 p.m. Edited.
Garrison and Battlements both look really good. But should I preorder them if they are to spike up in price?
June 27, 2016 3:44 p.m.
Personally, I just wanna put them both in my Captain Sisay EDH deck. Mix them with Gaddock Teeg and the noncreature lockdown is eternal!
June 27, 2016 3:45 p.m.
I may be a little late to this, but I just realized how meld works...each half of the card is printed on the back side of the card. So when you transform them, each card is put sideways to create the large picture of the melded creature. My OCD is going to kill me on this one...in sleeves there will be no way to perfectly align the cards. lmao Wizards, the ultimate troll.
June 27, 2016 3:51 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #50
I just noticed an interesting wording on the meld cards: "...if you both own and control...". So it effectively hoses any attempt to steal the pair and meld for your own profit (not that that would really happen in any format other than EDH). I also wonder if this very specific wording suggests some Dominate type cards in the set.
PistonGolem says... #1
I just wonder how many Meld cards we can see. It takes two DFC cards to make one Meld. If there are only 20 DFCs in the set, and we need room for other DFC cards, then we could only have 10 Meld cards, making 5 Meld Combinations. We might see a lot more DFC's in the set.
June 27, 2016 11:31 a.m.