Emrakul hint in new SOI clues?
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Posted on March 24, 2016, 1:13 p.m. by Caligula
annnnd discuss!
I think it's exciting, if it's nothing but a huge coincidence than wizards, you suck.
EDIT: I realize it could be a stretch, but cmon, let's entertain the thought of Emrakul on another plane.
BloodoftheBloodMoon says... #3
If emrakul were to be on this plane, he'd become a planeswalker, since he "planeswalked" so I highly doubt he'll be in this set, since they have already revealed there will only be 4 planeswalkers.
March 24, 2016 1:41 p.m.
RegisteredDecksOffender says... #4
Excellent observation Caligula.
Clues within actual clues.. WOTC you sly dogs..
And as far as what ryanjoha I'm not sure that's entirely accurate.. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that precisely what Eldrazi do? Move plane to plane devouring the planet's mana?I don't believe they HAVE to be qualified as Planeswalkers in order to jump planes.
Can I get a lore expert in here to clarify?
March 24, 2016 1:46 p.m.
Titilanious says... #9
Idk Man, I really hope it isn't emmy, that just seems like a very poor design choice on wizards part.
also I feel that all of the other referances point toward either Marit Lage or some new lovecraftish horror.
March 24, 2016 2:10 p.m.
ninjaclevs13 says... #11
I think we all need a little TheDevicer in our lives and posts
March 24, 2016 2:15 p.m.
@Titilanious except the same references of Marit could be made towards emrakul. Large black tendrils etc. And in another card.... Gotta find it.. Ah ha Incorrigible Youths there's some evidence of black tendrils (with what appear to me hands) in the art, which leans more toward emrakul.
March 24, 2016 2:21 p.m.
Plus if you wanna take the name of the set literally, Shadows over Innistrad. What is so damn big it could make a shadow over the plane? Marit being a sea based legend and all, really leaves emrakul. But this is all just speculation and hypothesis.
March 24, 2016 2:23 p.m.
Titilanious says... #16
Caligula emmy doesn't have any attribute to water or ice also she doesn't have any real reason to be there.
Also I am more leaning toward some new horror rather then anything in the past
March 24, 2016 2:26 p.m.
The image in the original post is not the only part of this 'conspiracy theory'...
The flavour text os the card Tamiyo's Journal references "Entry 434"
In the Clue with 4 words, the 3rd word corresponds to the 4th word of the statement "Remember this: they came as three."
I'm keeping my eyes out for other such references...
"711" - Remember
"922" - this:
"653" - they
"434" - came
"855" - as
"546" - three
March 24, 2016 2:26 p.m. Edited.
Larger pic.
The extra eye's too give reason that some sort of distortion could be warping the kids, and we know Emrakul is the eldrazi that can manipulate living matter.
March 24, 2016 2:28 p.m.
A system has been discovered that works in multiple (possibly all) languages the cards are printed in. This really makes it look intentional.
And yes, the Eldrazi travel the multiverse while not being planeswalkers. They originated in the Blind Eternities.
March 24, 2016 2:28 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #20
There's also Magnifying Glass, Warped Landscape, and Thraben Inspector.
March 24, 2016 3:51 p.m.
Take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt. In the interest of full disclosure, I would far prefer to see Marit Lage or a new baddie than see Emrakul, so I'm looking for reasons to believe Emmy isn't behind this.
With that said: I'm seeing a lot of claiming (mostly elsewhere)that this algorithm/code/puzzle/whatever you want to call it produces the exact flavor text of Ugin's Insight and seeing people claim that it's exactness can't be a coincidence, so it must be true... The problem is that it doesn't produce the exact flavor text; Ugin's Insight says "but do not forget" and what we get from the clues says "remember." Do they mean nearly identical things? Yes. But if the strength of this decoding is that we produce identical text to the flavor text of Ugin's Insight... Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but almost identical and identical is an important distinction (I hope).
March 24, 2016 5:20 p.m.
sergiodelrio says... #22
saj0219 nah... It's actually a perfect fit I'm afraid. Like when I tell you today (aka Ugin's Insight being from a set in the past) "do not forget: XYZ", and then I want to remind you of that statement at any given point in the future... supposing you'll have followed my advice to not forget it, I'll be refering to my statement with "remember: XYZ", not with the exact same words.
March 24, 2016 5:39 p.m.
I suppose these are the first tokens with flavor texts for a reason. Probably also why there are so many arts of the same token. Hm......
March 24, 2016 6:47 p.m.
Also, BloodoftheBloodMoon, based on the lore, the Eldrazi are powerful enough that they can traverse the multiverse without being planeswalkers
March 24, 2016 6:49 p.m.
@Titilanious I don't think it would be horrible design if Emrakul showed up in this block. Wizards made a very big point to specify that the new block structure would help with the story telling aspect. It allows them to move the story along faster (by avoiding core sets that caused gaps in the story telling), and they said they wanted to tell more of the story through the cards and via other aspects such as the former Uncharted Realms (I forget what it's called now). So if we are to assume that the storyline is going to flow better from set to set and block to block, then it wouldn't be unreasonable to think of each new block as a new chapter of a book. The setting may change and new characters may be introduced, but everything is still going to tie together with the story already being told.
This is a big change from how things were. Because of the nature of core sets being designed with newer players in mind (while also trying to cater to experienced players) they created gaps where the story wasn't being continued. This combined with the need to advance the storyline so new cards/characters/mechanics could be introduced meant that they had to skip around in the story. So while we had things like Ravnica and Return to Ravnica the story wasn't being told linearly. It was more like a bunch of smaller stories being woven together, jumping from one to the other and back so we were never focused on one thing for too long. With out the large gaps created by the core sets, the story can now continue along as it should and naturally progress.
So, in a way it would make sense if Emrakul were involved. It's no secret (even before the flavor text) that there were three Eldrazi Titans. Currently the story has been all about the release of the titans, the gatewatch forming, and the Zendikari banding together to defend Zendikar. If the story is supposed to flow and progress, you can't ignore the fact that there were 3 titans and just move on and end that part of the story because 2 of them were defeated. When they were release all 3 were release, it wouldn't make sense for 2 to go on a rampage and the other to just disappear as if nothing ever happened. Plus, they've been building toward this moment since the tarkir block. Sarkhan saving Ugin, Jace subsequently being told to find Sorin by Ugin, etc. I'm not guaranteeing anything, but it would actually be kinda awkward to have the story building toward this moment of having to come to Innistrad to find Sorin only to completely change the story and have it not pertain to the events that led us here in the first place.
March 24, 2016 7:19 p.m.
Also, if you look at the Thraben Inspector, those appear to be emrakul-y things that she is picking off the buildings
March 24, 2016 8:25 p.m.
Titilanious says... #29
abenz419 I understand what you are saying, but i also feel like having it happen so soon wouldn't be a good decision either. Think of it as a good book or movie, having a major enemy show up right away just seems rushed if not forced to me. I would rather have them search for her rather then her just show up randomly. I mean I am gonna play regardless so it really doesn't matter what happens lol.
March 25, 2016 12:12 a.m.
Of course emrakul will bemail in EDM,I find it crazy that people still consider this a theory! Think of it from a design perspective, they didn't just "accidentally" make all of these clues,they were thought up and they knew that people would find them and there havery been WAYYY too many clues for it to be a coincidence. Also, they announced that with the release of origins the stories will be much more straightforward and they already planned for emrakul to be in the next set after oath.
March 25, 2016 1:50 a.m.
Maybe emrakul learend from the mistake from his bros and won't show up "physicaly" on the plane before every life has vanished from it so he stays behind the moon and does some emrakuly shit so the residents kill each other
March 25, 2016 3:16 a.m.
RussischerZar says... #33
My current favored theory, developed by yours truly, is:
Emrakul is currently busy, devouring Innistrad's moon, since it's THE major source of mana of the plane. And because the moon is influencing everything else, people get mad and other weird things happen.
Nahiri potentially knows this and channels the moon / Emmi to influence Avacyn, Sorin's posterchild to get her revenge for whatever (she thinks) he did to her -> Avacyn goes mad.
March 25, 2016 7:15 a.m.
Well see there's the problem. Your treating it as if Emrakul is the final villain and the story is over once Emrakul is defeated. That's just not true though. The story will continue on past the eldrazi saga and there will be more antagonist that the gatewatch will have to defeat. It wouldn't make sense to move on past this part of the story into something else with so many lose ends. It also wouldn't make sense not to have Emrakul show up in this block, because then that means the eldrazi saga will have to be dragged on for at least 2 more sets (1 block) after this. If they did that it would contradict everything they've worked for over the last 1.5-2 years as far as advancing the story and being able to tell it more straight forward.
It would be poor design to change the story and then in a year or two have to come back and finish this one. They don't want the story to be so broke up like before, (zendikar and battle for zendikar... Ravnica and Return to Ravnica for examples), and not having Emrakul in this set would contradict that.
March 25, 2016 9:07 a.m.
TheHelvault says... #35
Emrakul seems wayyyyy too soon. But if I were Nahiri, the Lithomancer, and I wanted to get revenge on Sorin, I would send all three titans to Innistrad. Seeing as 2 are dead, Emrakul seems like a good choice.
However, yes, a very poor design choice.
March 25, 2016 1:51 p.m.
Who says they're gonna defeat Emrakul on Innistrad? He could just pop up, wreak some havoc, and be chased off.
March 25, 2016 3:51 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #37
Am I alone in my understanding of Marit Lage? She's a great sorceror - I've always taken it to mean that she was that tiny person in the foreground STANDING UP to the tentacled monster, not the monster itself.
THAT'S power!
March 25, 2016 4:38 p.m.
"Marit Lage was a powerful being comparable to a demi-god with a kraken-like figure who came to be imprisonned on Dominaria at some point before the Ice Age. [1] The Argivian scholar Arkol thought Marit Lage was a planeswalker, but he was wrong: she is a being of immense power, able to move across the planes but not by the same means planeswalkers can. Little is known about her life, her fate, or even what exactly she was. It's implied that she wreaked havoc on Dominaria at some point ("lifetimes" before the Ice Age), and it's clear that she had a human following (Acolytes of Marit-Lage and Brine Shamans) even long after her disappearance. During the Ice Age, she was frozen in the heart of a glacier. It is unknown whether she survived and what happened to her or her body once the Ice Age ended."
March 25, 2016 4:41 p.m.
albert_lopez says... #40
Yeah I don't think there will be an emerakul because that would mean he planes walked so if he did come back he would be a planes walker.
March 27, 2016 5:38 p.m.
albert_lopez, not true. In the lore the eldrazi are so powerful that they can traverse the blind eternities without being a planeswalker
March 27, 2016 5:44 p.m.
albert_lopez says... #42
2austin5 Oh I didn't know that about the lore. Well in that case maybe they're will be an emrakul but will the deck even last through the rotation
March 27, 2016 5:54 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #43
2austin5, albert_lopez: The Eldrazi can move through the Blind Eternities without a spark, yes. However, they were imprisoned on Zendikar by the Three aeons ago, and were unable to pseudo-planeswalk away. At the end of the Rise of the Eldrazi block, it was stated that they were unable to leave (implying that Emrakul would be trapped on Zendikar still); however, the information given in RtE has been somewhat ignored by recent canon so we don't know if Emrakul could have left the plane.
Mindgrind says... #2
Here we go...
March 24, 2016 1:15 p.m.