fetch reprints
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Posted on April 3, 2014, 2:44 a.m. by saltyk
i hear that wizards are going to make fetch land reprints. does anyone know if this is true?
It seems likely solely based on Wizards' drive to support the Modern format, but don't count your chickens before an official confirmation, or whatever. Worth noting: they can only ever reprint the Zendikar fetches (e.g. Marsh Flats ) and never the Onslaught fetches (e.g. Flooded Strand )
April 3, 2014 9:30 a.m.
julianjmoss says... #6
i cant find the source where it was said (either twitter or an interview) but they are planning on reprinting all of them in the next block (not coreset) or the one afterwards.
April 3, 2014 9:53 a.m.
Didgeridooda says... #7
Graft Onslaught fetches are not on the reserved list.
April 3, 2014 9:53 a.m.
There was some spec that onslaught would be reprinted specifcally to take some of the pressure off zen fetches, blue needing to run misty/tarn would then have access to 4 fetches. Also although id hate what it did to prices, it would make it easier fo people to get into legacy with access to all 10 fetches readily
April 3, 2014 10:03 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #9
If they reprint onslaught fetches, then they will be in standard, and therefore in Modern. They'd need to be in some sort of secondary set like modern masters was to avoid that. I don't really see why they should avoid having onslaught fetches in Modern, as it'd make fetchlands in general more accessible to people, but wizards gunna wiz.
April 3, 2014 10:05 a.m.
Part of it is collectors, judege foils was one way to get them additional copies. And if theu just reprinted them in MMA they wouldnt be modern legal bc they were never printed in standard fo modern. same way TNN isnt modern legal, special sets that have new cards are legacy only
April 3, 2014 10:09 a.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #11
I want reprints as much as the next person, but if you want to play competitively think of it this way would you rather wait 3 years for reprints or get them now to get 3 years of competitive use out of them? Your willingness to pay now is determined by your expected value from their use in the time span between now and their speculated reprinting.
Honestly I'd be fine if they never reprinted them, it clearly draws a line between those who are willing to do what it takes to play at a certain level and people not. Magic is a game, but also an investment. Time, money, mental capacity, etc, these are the things that separate pros/high level players from the average player.
Noit sure if this was relevent, but I felt it was a useful thought.
April 3, 2014 10:25 a.m.
i agree i just bought a playset of Scalding Tarn and then i heard that rumor. i would be a little upset if they reprinted them.
April 3, 2014 11:04 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #14
You should be more upset you bought them during a price spike.
April 3, 2014 1:06 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #15
So ChiefWannaHacka that means poor players are bad players cause they can't afford all the great and expensive cards?
April 3, 2014 2:06 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #16
I honestly hope they reprint them. It'd be nice for those of us who can't shell out 200$ for a playset to have a shot at getting something good. Lets also not forget that not every reprint lowers card costs.
April 3, 2014 2:09 p.m.
megawurmple says... #17
ChiefWannaHacka I see your point, but I have to disagree. I think Magic should be a game of skill and intelligence rather than a 'who has the most money' competition. Obviously in demand cards will always be more valuable than others, and I'll gladly accept that. However, when cards that are necessary for most competitive play reach $90+ then the barrier for entry becomes far too high. No player should have to spend $600 on a bunch of fucking lands to make their deck run more smoothly. It seems stupid to me, especially given that Wizards is trying really hard to push Modern at the moment. I'll be surprised if we don't see a reprint in the next year.
April 3, 2014 2:33 p.m.
R&D doesn't get the memo based on whats currently popular as they are in a constant state of working 2 years ahead of whats currently being released.
The unexpected Hype of Kiora when she was debuted in the duels of the planeswalker's game wasn't able to translate to an actual printing for about 2 years.
Fetches tripling in value over the past 6 months was obviously not predicted or we would have all gotten them months ago. Basically R&D is just now figuring that out at the same time as us, and won't be able to incorporate a cycle of fetch land reprints for most likely over a year.
I won't be surprised to have to wait more than a year before they might make a return in some standard reprinting.
Unless they had a pre-planned reprinting already in the works before all the current fetches exploded in price.
April 3, 2014 2:41 p.m.
We are losing shock lands and even guild gates with the next rotation this fall, so one could speculate that we get the core set buddy lands back this summer in M15 to go along with the scry lands we just got in Theros Block. As well as a possible a return of the Titans, which I have been predicting since Innistrad rotated out.
Buddies and Titans in M15. Kinda makes sense.
April 3, 2014 2:44 p.m.
Another option to expedite us fetches would be to reprint them in modern masters next set, although the price of a single booster of MM is over $10, the going rate for most shock lands, aka your average dual land, I'd much prefer to see fetches reprinted in standard, as that would actually drive the price of fetches down, whereas a Modern Masters reprinting of fetches could quite possibly Increase the value of fetches, which wouldn't be helping the issue whatsoever.
April 3, 2014 3:17 p.m.
Just describing how bad it would not work in our favor to have fetches reprinted in MM where they are seeing play to begin with, Modern, it almost makes sense that Wizards will do what doesn't make sense from our stand point.
For wizards, putting fetches in the next MM set would make them an ASS-LOAD of money, why would they not do that?
April 3, 2014 3:19 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #22
@UmbrotheUmbreon I never said that. I said that having cards that define the level of competition you plan on competing in has a cost. If you want to compete with pros, and to do so you need fetches, then get them. If you want to play Modern on the FNM level you probably don't need fetches. I don't expect to be able to compete with Slash if I have a my first guitar from Wal-Mart.
I'm by no means rich, but I decided to invest in Modern before the current spike, so I built one deck. Then I repeatedly won store credit from my LGS until I could get other staples to other decks. I paid $35 each for my Verdant Catacombs , and complained about it the whole time, but I was committed to playing at a higher level so the near term cost was smaller to me than the expected value I had in playing with the cards. If the expected value wasn't that great to me, then I wouldn't have got them nor the other lands soon after with my credit.
@TitansFTW I totally agree with you, by no means do I believe that what I said or how things currently are is good, but I was merely stating that barriers exist to weed out those who aren't as committed to competing at a certain level. You have to remember some people play for money, and that significantly changes how you approach the game sometimes.
April 3, 2014 3:39 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #23
ChiefWannaHacka: Your statement came off as such. While yes it is good to have a barrier for entry, it isn't good to say that just cause someone doesn't HAVE the money to pay 300$ for a land base doesn't mean they are not strongly dedicated. It just means they don't have that kind of money. Hell if I REALLY wanted to try I'd bring my little mana ramp deck to a Modern tourney, but because of my money situation I can't just go out and get 4 Breeding Pool s, 4 Hinterland Harbor s, 4 Misty Rainforest s, etc.
I'm not saying it's okay to scrooge your deck, but when money for the lands alone hit $300+ then that's extreme.
April 3, 2014 4:03 p.m.
ryuzaki32667 says... #24
Fetches aren't necessary for modern, yes they make the land bases smoother but are not required to play. During the Innistrad-Ravnica standard shocks and checks were pretty good, you can have a land base such as that until the proper fetches are acquired. But until there is an actual reprint there isn't much we can do other than buy/trade for them at the current price or use sub-par fetch lands like Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse if you really want to use fetches.
April 3, 2014 4:03 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #25
@UmbrotheUmbreon I think you might be missing that I agree with you.
While I state these things as existing and give reasoning as to why they do, I agree they are extreme and I don't think it's healthy overall for the continued growth of the format.
@ryuzaki32667 Besides smoothing out mana, they also offer shuffle effects for a minimal cost. That is overlooked often by people.
April 3, 2014 5:36 p.m.
ryuzaki32667 says... #26
Legacy has Brainstorm for the needed shuffle, what cards like the deck to be shuffled in modern? Just assuming this thread is in reference to the modern fetches.
April 3, 2014 5:43 p.m.
SkyRaider42 says... #27
I also disagree with ChiefWannaHacka. There are lots of dedicated players who are not willing to drop 2000 dollars on a modern deck. Take pauper players for example. The decks cost about 40 dollars, and lots of them are dedicated, respectable players. Magic wants to avoid being pay to win, so I think reprinting fetches would be great to not have modern be so intimidating to get into.
April 3, 2014 8:33 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #28
ChiefWannaHacka: Ah, I see what you are saying. The wording makes you come off differently so that's why I spoke up.
April 3, 2014 9:02 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #29
@ryuzaki32667 Not sure, I've been playing Jund for a while now, and the shuffle is nice if I have Bob and Courser out lol.
@SkyRaider42 Someone can be dedicated, but if you want to play on a pro level. you need pro level cards. If you want to dominate pauper, then by all means do so. The point you seem to be missing is that Fetches are not necessary to play Modern, they are necessary to play Modern at a higher level. Either you want to play at a higher level and are willing and able to win fetches or buy them. Again you also seem to be missing that I agree with you, but I'm trying to point out that this barrier exists, and there is a reason that it does. Players like to compete and play at the highest level, the secondary market uses that to it's advantage.
April 4, 2014 10:40 a.m.
julianjmoss says... #30
@ChiefWannaHacka while everything you say is true, it is important to remember that Wizards is really pushing for Modern to become a legitimate format (some may argue that it already is) and one way they can do that is by making more top tier cards easily available to players that want to play on that level but arent in the current position to drop that much money.
April 4, 2014 11:20 a.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #31
@julianjmoss I agree with you, but I would also like to point at the reprints of Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant in Modern Masters. There was an increase in the availability of these cards, but Modern's popularity as a format took off and they just went higher in price due to the skyrocket in demand. So we can't be sure what would happen to the prices of Fetches, though they would probably follow the trend of V clique more likely and fall about $20-$30 since they'd probably be printed at rare.
e.g. I only have a playset of Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant because I got them over the course of about 5 months back at $110 and $50 respectively through a mix of Store Credit, Christmas, and my birthday. Now I'm also lucky enough to have a job with little expenses beyond tuition and food, so my situation is not the typical, but there's no way in hell I'd buy those cards right now.
April 4, 2014 1:04 p.m.
julianjmoss says... #32
understood but i think the prices would drop a lot differently. It would be more comparable to that of thoughtsieze since they are going to be in a core set rather than a special set with limited printing.
April 4, 2014 1:55 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #33
That's true as well, how they're printed will have a huge effect on the pricing, though we could look at Mutavault and wonder what would really happen lol. I guess we'll find out when we get there.
Also my bad to the OP, I kinda hijacked the thread by accident.
April 4, 2014 5:07 p.m.
Finally a thread about fetches with well reasoned and logical arguments rather than the typical " boo hoo hoo fetches are expensive.
Okay sorry. End rant.
Now that that's out of the way, I feel the need to be blunt with this next statement. There is no gaurantee that a reprint would drop the price. Here's my logic:
They reprint fetches (all hypothetical obviously) so now instead of prospective modern players trying to grab them, there are now standard players AND modern players grabbing them up.
As far as MMA is concerned I think it would be better to NOT do that. Simply being MMA would be a better chance of fethces per pack so MSRP goes right out the window. If they print some in Set A of a new block then people (like me) will buy more boxes because that would gaurantee at least one fetch per box so it pays for itself and stores won't be able (or willing) to jack up prices because it will be a set that you can get a single individually wrapped pack at walmart for 4 bucks so doing that would hurt them.
I also want to say that I own one fetch. A Marsh Flats that I traded a bob to get for my edh deck. I do not own a playset of any of them so I am saying all of this as a wannabe modern player. But I I also get why it's expensive. The fetches work. Well. Very well. Better consistency and deck thinning (no matter how small from a math standpoint) matter.
I would love to play competetive modern at the highest level. But cant afford to get Into it with prices like this. I mean for God's sake the last pro tour grand prize was $40,000 US. Of course it's a pricey format.
April 4, 2014 8:56 p.m.
I realize that my first paragraph may come off sarcastic. It's not meant that way. I read through the comments and actually like the statements and facts and theories there in.
April 4, 2014 9:56 p.m.
KrosanTusker says... #37
I guess, as has been said, if Wizards want to push Modern, they need to reprint fetches. If you can't afford Tarmogoyf , save up, trade for them, run Scooze instead, build a different deck. But there is no deck that doesn't want fetches in Modern and there are no replacements that are half as good. This means that everybody who wants to be competitive in Modern -- because having a working mana base is really important -- will need fetches.
I don't think a new Modern Masters set -- with the necessary limited print run -- will provide enough of them to really make a difference. Just look at, say, Bob's price. Is it lower now than before MM? No.
On the other hand, if they're reprinted in a normal expansion, all the standard players (and there's a few of those) will want fetches for two years as well, increasing the price for those two years. There's no easy solution.
April 5, 2014 7:32 a.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #38
While it is true that standard players will crave fetches, being printed in a core set or even a block will severely increase their supply, making them easier to obtain. Was this not the reason why Thoughtseize dropped?
April 5, 2014 7:42 a.m.
KrosanTusker says... #39
Yes, that's true, and so did shock lands, even though every standard and every modern deck needs them. That does make it easier.
April 5, 2014 7:53 a.m.
I was interested in playing modern until I saw the fetch land prices. I tried trading for some fetches, but the people who do have those as well as Tarmogoyf s don't want to trade them. They want to sit on them and watch the prices go up. That only hurts people like me who want to start playing in the format. So saying "why don't you just trade for the cards?" doesn't work, I've tried.
Reprinting is the best way in my opinion. If Wizards really want to push the format then reprinting into standard is their best bet. There will be more available and people will definitely be trading.
Trying to bring more people into a format while keeping it closed to only those who can spend a $1000-$2000 when half of the cost is lands alone makes no fucking sense.
So, as someone who doesn't play modern, why should I play modern when I can build 2 or more decks in other formats for the same cost as a single play set of a fetch land?
April 5, 2014 1:37 p.m.
julianjmoss says... #41
Wasn't Thoughtseize already modern legal?
Anyways, when trying to decide how the price will shift if they get reprinted (and gosh i hope they do because i just got rid of all 5 of mine) its important to see that the onslaught ones will now be standard and modern legal. the zendikar ones will be standard legal since they are already modern legal. You could argue that the price will rise at first because they are now being integrated into a new format and the onslaught ones into 2 new formats. Thus I would expect an initial spike in price. when it comes to long term you can expect them to drop to a more reasonable price like thoughtseize did because there is a larger supply of them around. This will effect the onslaught ones more most likely. Another thing is since all the fetches will be modern legal, scalding tarns will not be as necessary in a blue deck to maintain fixing since there will be access to flooded strands and polluted deltas. while all the fetchs will be in use, it will cut down on the use of each particular one in a deck and allow for flexibility.
Thats just my 2 cents. Also i am pretty sure they are all going to get reprinted because there are like 4 judges that draft at my lgs and they tend to be really accurate as far as reprints and banning goes so i choose to believe them. not really a valid reason but whatevs
April 5, 2014 2:40 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #42
@julianjmoss: If Onslaught fetches get reprinted they will more than likely rise rather than fall anytime soon, because now they would be available in not one, not two, three, but FOUR formats: Standard, Modern, Legacy, and EDH. Those fetches would be insanely expensive for as long as they are standard legal, then after standard would fall a bit because the demand for them in modern will keep it's price afloat. Similar to the argument that Standard players will be moneygrabbing Zendikar fetches, except Onslaught fetches become legal in TWO new formats, not one, and both formats are very popular.
April 5, 2014 2:55 p.m.
julianjmoss says... #43
I said that. there will be an initial rise. i do disagree in that they will drop just because there arent a lot in circulation now and it will be a lot easier to get them.
April 5, 2014 3:08 p.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #44
The rise will be a lot greater than the fall. While it is true after they rotate out the price will fall, it won't fall much as Modern players will still be trying to get them.
April 5, 2014 3:12 p.m.
I kinda hope they reprint them so I can stock up while they are low.
EKGwins says... #2
I think its fairly plausible to say that they will be reprinted in the future, but I don't think there is any sort of official confirmation.
April 3, 2014 2:51 a.m.