fetches in standard
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Posted on May 5, 2014, 11 p.m. by Khanye
I know wizards has said that it wont happen, but how glorious would those 3 months be if they printed fetches in m15...I for one am in favor if a wizards employee is scouring this thread. There would be no current meta, we would have tons of archtypes, DRS would be another powerhouse... would be the best 3 months of standard mtg imo. Do it wizards, do it!
ChiefWannaHacka says... #3
B/G or B/G/x would be too good. Thoughtseize , Deathrite Shaman , Scavenging Ooze , You could almost even build Courser Jund, which is a real Modern Deck.
May 5, 2014 11:04 p.m.
It would be nuts...albeit it will only last a short while, but that would add to the fun. 3 months is enough to get everyone excited, then post rotation, modern is still booming. I dont see any disadvantage of doing this
May 5, 2014 11:05 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #5
Standard is stagnant for 3 months as everyone plays B/G/x...
May 5, 2014 11:47 p.m.
@Khanye you are missing something. While yes,a reprint will lower the prices of the other fetches like everyone keeps saying they want and you'd have crazy mana fixing in standard for 3 months. However, their pre-order price is going to be outrageous. their price all through out standard will easily be the highest in standard, people with current printings will have an immediate head start on those who don't, and instead of standard players getting really excited about modern for 3 months you'll probably scare a lot of standard players away from standard for 3 months. I don't think it'd have the same effect that you think, in terms of increasing modern interest that is. Everyone just seems to be so desperate for a reprint of the fetches because wizards said "yeah it'll happen, eventually" that they want it immediately. I mean yeah a reprint will help bring down current prices but that doesn't mean things are gonna be cheap. Just cheaper.
May 5, 2014 11:48 p.m.
Cheaper is better. It wouldnt scare players. Jund wouldn't be the only thing played. Most rogue decks would come out of it. Yes prices would sky rocket, but only for a short while. The market and meta will be in a flux, but in a good way. Most new players come into mtg through intro decks and booster packs. Having fetches printed, would not only make the mana base out of control but give a noobies a head start on building their modern deck. $100 for a booster box which could contain a fetch or two amongst other cards, or $85 for a misty rainforest...the only thing that would be negative would be the elitists that are gawking at the over inflated prices of fetches...I already have my playsets of them, so I dont care for the reprint in terms of value. I just want to see 4-5 color decks running wild again. Those are fun decks to pilot and to watch perform
May 6, 2014 12:20 a.m.
haha, good booster boxes already sell for above $100. The new commander decks went for above MSRP when they were first released. Duel decks do too. If a booster box could contain multiple fetchlands then it is not selling for $100. It's not like they'll be passing out fetchs for free so more people start jumping into modern,
I'm not talking about scaring away new players from standard for 3 months either. I mean, the current standard players who aren't currently suited with the cards to play a "modern" standard. They aren't going to be cheap, when it's first released supply will be small till product gets opened and circulated and once it's released people will snatch up every copy of it as soon as they can. That means the price will stay close to its elevated prerelease price making it tough for people to acquire even the newer fetches. So, for three months till rotation happened, you could effective scare some of the standard players away from standard, which would be the opposite of drawing in more interest in modern like you were suggesting.
May 6, 2014 12:45 a.m.
Exactly this what Abenz said. The prices will be extortionate anway. They're not going to suddenly be cheap if they're reprinted. This could happen as more and more enter circulation, but not as soon as they're released. It could actually be pretty bad for players.
I also have literally no idea why people think fetches allow you to play 4-5 colours. They don't. Each one fetches a basic land of the corresponding type, according to the text on the fetch. They're only useful for 4-5 colour when they're combined with shocks. As soon as shocks rotate out, you won't see fetches supporting 4-5 colour in standard.
May 6, 2014 6:23 a.m.
Won't happen. Aaron Forysthe already mentioned, that Sets are planned 2 years ahead and that they didn't expect ZEN Fetches to skyrocket they way they did. So no Fetches until 2015, probably not until 2016.
Get your Fetches now, before Modern PTQ season starts. They will never again be as "cheap" as they are right now.
May 6, 2014 6:55 a.m.
Maro, the head designer of the game, has also come out and said ,on his blog, that Fetches and Shocks WILL NOT exist in standard together ever. So they are for sure not going to be around in m15.
May 6, 2014 9:32 a.m.
VampireArmy says... #12
Funny enough, I could see something like filter-lands being in the M-set at some point.
May 6, 2014 11:58 a.m.
@ VampireArmy It's about time they reprint these! Twilight Mire goes for more than 20 or ~ 35 $ which is insane!
May 6, 2014 1:59 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #14
Have u seen my standard deck? While every one is running around building this "new" self-mil golgari deck. Which is rather weak and vulnerable, I've been playing this whole season with the same Rock deck which IMO/Experience is so much more solid and resilient.
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Arorsthrar says... #15
@APPLE01DOJ-The golgari mill decks have top-8'd tournaments, while no true "Golgari Midrange" deck has done so. The G/B decks are MBD splash green. I disagree that Dredge is weak and vulnerable. Until cards like Rest in Peace become sideboard material for every deck, I think dredge has decent match ups against most archetype do to a completely different play style.
May 6, 2014 5:51 p.m.
and even if Rest in Peace is brought in, there is a huge amount of enchantment hate in this set so it won't be staying on the field for long. And on top of them being decent decks, dredge decks are a ton of fun to play.
May 6, 2014 5:57 p.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #17
While we're still slightly on the tangent of shameless self-promotion, I'll mention that Fetch lands would be a godsend for my current deck: Standard Modern Jund: Welcome back DRS!
Anyways, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if MBD takes a Golgari twist with the new Scry lands out. Abrupt Decay , Golgari Charm , Scavenging Ooze , and Mistcutter Hydra on the side are all pretty good reasons to splash Green.
May 6, 2014 8:37 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #18
problem with that is most of the really good green stuff you mentioned is rotating
May 6, 2014 11:58 p.m.
Not for 5 months. If you want to win NOW mbd splashing green is a good option.
May 7, 2014 12:01 a.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #20
I don't see fetches happening in m15, the interaction with shocks AND Deathrite is too powerful. Plus they'll skyrocket the prices of that core set, meaning speculators and modern fans will snatch up the product where they can, meaning that newer players will have less access to the set that is designed to be a starting point for newcomers.
They could very well be in Conspiracy OR at earliest the Fall expansion if we're talking for Standard.
May 8, 2014 5:24 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #21
I've said it before, I'll say it again: I wouldn't mind fetches AND shocks being available in Standard for a couple months. I would actually come back to standard to play in that meta until the shocklands fully rotated out.
May 8, 2014 8:32 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #22
Not only that, but there are no PTQs or PTs for Standard during rotation limbo. So it's not like actual competitive play would be effected.
May 8, 2014 8:39 p.m.
ChiefWannaHacka says... #24
@Khanye I fail to see how the other responses weren't intelligent. Because there will be no pro level play for standard constructed during the time both fetches and shocks would be legal in standard if they were reprinted in M15 is a valid point, but not the only one. Besides that, most magic is played at FNM's not the PT. Magic, first and foremost, is a game where people have Fun. How would that 3 month period effect FNM's where those who have fetches are far ahead of those who don't?
May 9, 2014 2:56 a.m.
@ChiefWannaHacka I pointed that out earlier, but apparently that's not an intelligent response because it doesn't agree with what the original poster wants.
May 9, 2014 3:18 a.m.
I was just trolling fellas, my apologies...yes, it would be hard for players to acquire fetches, however fetches + shocks in standard from playibility aspect is simply amazing. I know it raises the prices of the sets and so forth, but having both in standard will introduce many new players to how modern / legacy function. It will definitely be chaotic, and the individuals with the deepest pockets will surely prevail during that 3 month mark, however it will be one of the most fun limited periods of time for standard.
May 10, 2014 9:27 p.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #27
New players aren't going to learn about Modern and Legacy just by having shocks and fetches in the same standard format because because all the OTHER modern cards aren't around, (Manlands, the Super Two-drops like Gofy and Snapcaster and Bob) and I'm not even gonna go into why standard won't resemble legacy. When new players feel like they can't get into Modern or Legacy it's not because they don't know how to play that format's mana base; it's because they don't have access to the cards that make up top-tier Modern/Legacy decks.
Furthermore, Modern has been growing at a ludicrous rate, new players don't need the fetches to be alongside the shocks specifically to get into Modern; they been doing just fine in that regard.
Maybe...MAYBE it'll be fun for people that want to play three color and already have the budget for Shocks and Fetches, but for the rest of us it'll be abysmal because the game becomes even more "pay to win" than it's already accused of being at times. Games are won and lost on the consistency of manabases, and it's incredibly shitty to basically tell a new player "Oh you're brand new and don't want to drop (at minimum) 160$ on a single playset of lands? well hope you enjoy playing against three color decks that have objectively better mana bases for three months" because that is basically what happens in that scenario.
The fetches need to be reprinted at some point in a product that doesn't have a limited print run, but I agree with Wizards' stance of not sticking them in a standard where dual lands have land-typing and Deathrite Shaman is around.
May 11, 2014 4:55 p.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #28
to put it in a less wordy way.
in the interest of not breaking standard over the knee of the players with the biggest budget, Wizards will /only/ put fetches in a standard where they aren't nearly as strong as they are in Modern or Legacy. This means little to no interaction with lands in the graveyard (like with Goyf or DRS) or with others dual-lands with land-types.
GoldGhost012 says... #2
Welcome to Standard- Special 3 month Modern edition!
May 5, 2014 11:03 p.m.