Howling Mine Dragon!!!
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Posted on June 8, 2015, 11:05 a.m. by Rasta_Viking29
OMG this is playable!
Seems more like a Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker emblem Dragon.
June 8, 2015 11:11 a.m.
I clicked on this all excited that it would be a Dragon literally from the Howling Mine, like lore wise... still I guess that's gonna see a buttload of Standard play, right alongside Thunderbreak Regent. I love this new thing of Red getting awesome big flyers at 4-5 mana.
That's not mythic, is it? I can't tell.
June 8, 2015 11:14 a.m. Edited.
Seems good, only thing that might stop it from seeing play is the fact that you discard your hand the turn it comes down, so if you play it on turn four you're likely discarding at least two cards before it has any impact, setting you up to be blown out by removal.
June 8, 2015 11:15 a.m.
magnetcrocodile says... #7
How about that Subterranean Scout - thing? An unblockable Rabblemaster? lol
June 8, 2015 11:23 a.m.
SpartanCEL says... #9
Black seems to have a lot of draftable commons/uncommons
June 8, 2015 11:37 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #10
Between shortcut goblin and the menace mechanic, I am excited to play RDW again once origins hits.
June 8, 2015 11:50 a.m.
magnetcrocodile says... #12
Also Titan's Strength got a reprint. Oh my Heliod
June 8, 2015 11:58 a.m.
canterlotguardian says... #13
Almost makes me wish Savage Summoning was still Standard legal. Leave 2RRG open just in case your opponent starts thinking too big for his britches, if not flash in the dragon at his EOT, get the first draw off it before you have to discard at your EOT. That's pretty nice.
June 8, 2015 11:59 a.m.
Wait, Titan's Strength got a reprint!?
BEST NEWS OF MY LIFE.
June 8, 2015 12:20 p.m.
EmblemMan RDW of course. It's a late game draw engine that RDW desperately needs.
June 8, 2015 12:50 p.m.
Dont most rdw decks run like 16 lands youll never cast him
June 8, 2015 12:52 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #19
EmblemMan no they don't. I don't know of any deck constructed by a competent magic player that runs 16 lands in Standard.
This dragon looks awesome as a curve topper for red aggro decks and could be good in an aggressive R/G midrange deck. There is also the possibility that it has powerful synergy with some other cards that involve the graveyard. At worst it is a 4/4 flier for 4 in red, which we already know is solid.
June 8, 2015 1:02 p.m. Edited.
Ok well then you clearly havent heard of boss sligh which wS a deck for awhile created by a very well known aggro enthusiast and proffessional magic player tom ross and these decks did run 17 lands and can be considered a form of red deck wins
June 8, 2015 1:07 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #21
personally I think you'll be seeing this one in some sort of either Rakdos or Boros Midrange strategy for sure
June 8, 2015 1:12 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #22
"I have provided no evidence to support my claim, but I know the name of this professional magic player, and i'll be damned if my e-dick isn't ten feet longer than yours"
-emblemman, 2015
June 8, 2015 1:22 p.m.
EmblemMan - You couldn't be further from the truth. Google Paul Sligh and see what I mean.
June 8, 2015 1:25 p.m.
How is that at all what i was claiming yeah i know his name but i also know the deck achetype and know that red deck wins as an archetype is not defined by one deck list and jwiley thats fine i was just referencing one type of rdw that i know you guys dont have to be so attacking and critical for having an opinion geez
June 8, 2015 1:28 p.m.
Guys... Off topic enough. The general consensus is that this thing is playable. It'll likely find a home in a few aggressive or midrange strategies. That's nice.
June 8, 2015 1:31 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #26
It debuts on SCG.com at $10. I don't think it's a $10 card personally. I see this guy as boom or bust with a price tag around $4 or $15 when the dust settles. I'm going to hold off on ordering at the moment.
June 8, 2015 1:40 p.m.
You asked... "Dont most rdw decks run like 16 lands youll never cast him."
They answered, "No!" (with more clarification)
You then tried to defend your point with "Ok well then you clearly havent heard of boss sleigh which..."
So, of course they will then try to reiterate their point.
Really, I would hardly call 1 deck list which runs 17 (not 16) land (18 when it placed 1st) "most rdw".
June 8, 2015 1:58 p.m.
Why do EmblemMan's posts on this remind me of IM? Anyways, great card for RDW, not so much for anything else.
June 8, 2015 2:03 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #29
JA14732 do you think it's too much drawback to see play in midrange?
June 8, 2015 2:04 p.m.
Rayneous I understand my wording with "most" and maybe even "well clearly" was a little off or unnecessary. However, they did not say no they said no competent magic player would play that. So I gave them an example of when that happened, granted my number was off by one in my research, but the reaction and the following reaction to my response was definitely uncalled for . If they just said no thats not very common or no thats not the type of deck we are talking about thats fine I wouldnt have said anything more about it. Also I dont always have the best grammar and punctuation while on my phone thats why :P.
June 8, 2015 2:07 p.m.
I like the idea of running this + Ensnaring Bridge.
Great method of defence while giving you card advantage and an evasive attacker.
If it had even the slightest built in protection it would be absolutely awesome... though possibly broken.
June 8, 2015 2:14 p.m.
So this is pretty much an Outpost Siege on a flying stick. I love it. GIVE ME MORE.
June 8, 2015 3:53 p.m.
VampireArmy, I could see this working in any red aggro deck, but if this gets removed after you discard your hand in midrange it's GG. You're 100% fucked, devoting your time to believing in the heart of the cards-and the top of your deck.
June 8, 2015 4:51 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #35
that's a fair assessment. Yeah I can see the problems when you put it like that.
June 8, 2015 5:04 p.m.
JA14732 If you're playing RDW, and that happens, you should be dead by then anyways. This just offers what could possibly be an out. You don't need this to discard your hand, because your hand should already be gone, and your opponent should already be dead.
June 8, 2015 6:09 p.m. Edited.
VA and I were discussing this card's applications in a midrange shell. Obviously it kicks ass in RDW, but I believe that that's this card's only application.
June 8, 2015 7:33 p.m.
magnetcrocodile says... #38
@ThatJunkMage and Runlue
There's a released 'sample deck' list and Titan's Strength is in the red deck. You can see it here
And I quote:
'If a card is in a decklist below but not listed above and not a new card, that means it is a reprint that is also in Magic Origins.'
June 8, 2015 8:19 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #39
This is going to look so pretty in my Feldon of the Third Path EDH.
Arvail says... #2
That's not bad.
June 8, 2015 11:08 a.m.