In (Planeswalker's) Wake
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Posted on June 17, 2014, 8:29 a.m. by ChrisH
I thought that since Wizards is printing In Garruk's Wake, they may do a Wake card for each monocolored planeswalker. What do you think?
Gidgetimer says... #3
Also it is a black card of a hither to primarily green Planeswalker. I'm hoping they don't move Garruk mono-black and instead just make him BG.
June 17, 2014 8:42 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #4
@ Gidgetimer Everything is pointing to Nissa being the mono green planeswalker of the set. I'd put money on Garruk being B/G like in INN.
June 17, 2014 9:57 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #5
I haven't seen anything pointing toward Nissa but I do agree that Garruk will probably be BG I was just pointing out that expecting one for every monocolored Planeswalker is unlikely when this card is from a likely multicolor 'Walker.
June 17, 2014 10:40 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #6
There was a M15 checkbox for limited discovered by someone, nissa is on it.
June 17, 2014 11:17 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #7
NOOOOO!1! Why do they insist on printing horrible Planeswalkers?
June 17, 2014 11:36 a.m.
I would have a hard time calling a PW horrible... BEFORE seeing a spoiler.
June 17, 2014 11:48 a.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #9
Nissa Revane isn't even bad. A planeswalker that can protect itself is always good. Her ultimate is only good in niche Elf decks unfortunately, but still.
June 17, 2014 11:54 a.m.
Nissa is six thousand times cooler than Garruk and seeing another planeswalker lady brought back makes me so glad.
June 19, 2014 2:21 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #14
Planeswalkers that are only good in certain tribes are bad. Nissa Revane 's first +1 searches for a 2/3 with no relevant abilities, her second +1 gains you life for having elves out, and her ult is only good in an elf tribal deck, she also is a 4 mana walker with 2 loyalty.Compare her to Garruk, Caller of Beasts who I was hoping for the reprint of and it becomes +1 card advantage, -3 cheat out the biggest creature you run, -6 win the game and she is severely lacking, but she is 2 mana less than him so that is understandable. Compare this to 4 mana Garruk Wildspeaker who is +1 ramp, -1 3/3 token, -4 Overrun and starts at 3 so is immediately out of bolt range and she still comes up lacking. I know it probably won't be Nissa Revane that we get so I know i can't judge too harshly but if someone said the red walker was to be Tibalt instead of Chandra I'm sure Chandra fans would bitch.
June 19, 2014 2:49 p.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #15
Nissa isn't bad. She isn't very flexible, nor highly competitive. But calling her bad is just wrong. The fact that we call any Planeswalker bad (Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded is the only exception) shows just how spoiled we are. The fact that Nissa will at the very least pull out a 2/3 (deck thinning, by the way) and force a Lightning Bolt shows that she isn't bad. She certainly isn't a focal point PW, but in the right deck, there is no reason not to play her. She creates advantage from the get-go, and only continues to create it if unchecked. Seems like a decent card to me.
June 19, 2014 3:03 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #16
I have had nothing but success playing Nissa, and even when she eats a Lightning Bolt it's one not aimed at my Elvish Archdruid or Priest of Titania . She's not at the top modern or legacy tables, but few walkers are. She's very good in the right deck.
June 19, 2014 4:01 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #17
I disagree with you sir, we can easily call Planeswalkers bad, especially in this case and not be "spoiled". In the case in particular we are speaking in terms of just the Planeswalkers, she must be compared to other Planeswalkers and comes up lacking.
In the general sense the point of calling a card "good" or "bad" is in the usefulness of that card compared to others that could be ran in its place in a deck that could run it. So she must be compared to every 3G and 2GG card in modern at the moment, but lets look at her in terms of the block she was in. Looking up all cards that meet the criteria of 4 cmc and monogreen in the Zendikar block I would happily run 7 before her without a second thought in any deck. There are another 7 that depending on the deck I would consider running over her and only 4 cards that I would always run her before. That does not meet my criteria for calling a card "good" and I may be harsh calling her a bad card bad but she is perfectly meh and from something that is supposed to be one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse "meh" is a bad reaction.
June 19, 2014 4:02 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #18
The card itself can be bad, but Nissa can be good. Nissa as a character is definitely strong, and they can make a card based around her that is competitive and amazing.
I'm crossing my fingers...
June 19, 2014 4:55 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #20
Elves had support while Zendikar was in standard and she was part of the list putting Top 8 showings on a number of occasions.
She's not bad just because you don't like elves. Cards that can blindly be put into any deck spoil us. Cards that make us build decks are good cards.
June 20, 2014 12:09 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #21
I can't say I agree with you MindAblaze!, but I can't say I disagree with you.
Personally, I don't dislike Nissa Revane because she can't "blindly be put into any deck" (good choice of words by the way, those are spot on!), but I dislike her because she does not allow different types of decks to utilize her. Yes, a green planeswalker that is so good that you need it in every green deck is a boring card, but at the same time, a green planeswalker that can only be interesting in a very very specific deck, like "elves", is also a boring card.
June 20, 2014 12:43 p.m.
that is the reason there is more than one green Planeswalker for variety you can choose which one you like more
June 20, 2014 12:52 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #23
Nissa Revane
shows mainboard in 20 decks on MTGTop8.com. As opposed to say the only Garruk that has only had 1 printing that has had a full 2 year run in standard Garruk Relentless
Flip
who has 944 decks. Now this involves a lot of semi-pro and amateur level events so looking at only pro level events it comes up Nissa - 1, Garruk Relentless - 89. I am uninterested in debating the finer points of cards with people who will not listen to reasoning and will link to a guy on SCG saying "I don't know who piloted this deck and I think it was in this event but, yeah Top 8 for Nissa, I may have been wrong to say she was bad." to show that she was "part of a list pulling top 8 showings on a number of occasions"
I like build around cards and I'm not saying all cards should be able to be blindly put in any deck but when Master of Waves
another build around card has 63 pro showings in half the time you have to wonder if maybe 1 card isn't a lot better of a card. I mean heck Door to Nothingness
also has 1 pro level top 8, most people won't disagree that Door is a bad card so why do people come to Nissa's defense so fervently? I'm not anti-elves, hell some of my best mana dorks are elves, but Nissa Revane
isn't a good card, new Nissa (for the love of god tell me it isn't a reprint) may be good though so here's hoping. This thread isn't even about Nissa it was about speculation on a "In [PLANESWALKER]'s Wake" cycle. I'm apparently not going to change your mind and you definitely aren't going to change mine so good day sir and see you in other threads because i'm not coming back to this one.
June 20, 2014 1:01 p.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #24
When judging cards, you look at them in a vacuum. I'd run Master of the Wild Hunt over Nissa every day. However, for something to be good in modern requires it to be much more than merely "good". But how about this? Is Rumbling Baloth a bad card? I'd say no. Its great in limited, and passes the vanilla test. I wouldn't call it a bad card. So how could you call something with insanely more advantage a bad card?
June 20, 2014 1:03 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #25
I think the reality of life is nothing exists in a vacuum, especially Magic. There's a metagame to be considered, there's deck building constraints like a four card maximum and card legality in a given format. Elves weren't tier 1 by any means during Zendikar...but Big Jace and Stoneforge were a thing come Worldwake...and this just got worse into Scars block. Bloodbraid Elf Jund was a thing too prerotation...
I can't argue with numbers, and I know she's not the most popular card. But bad is a subjective term in a subjective world. I guess I'm just saying I recognize the subjectivity and from my experience she has been very very good.
Anyway. I think the comments on the OP were pretty spot on. This core set is Garruk themed, so don't be surprised by the Black Garruk themed Wrath effect, but I wouldn't expect it to carry over to the other walkers.
M13 had Bolas themed cards in Augur of Bolas and Disciple of Bolas , so I wonder what other Garruk themed cards we'll see...if any.
June 20, 2014 1:19 p.m.
The important thing here is the distinction between "The card Nissa Revane is bad" which seems like a fairly obvious claim given how niche it is in a niche that isn't all that great, and the other claims made in the thread of "Nissa (implying the character) is bad" and "A new Nissa will be bad" the former of which is just personal opinion, and the latter of which is hilariously ignorant when you don't know what the card is going to do.
June 22, 2014 9:39 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #27
Let me be the first to say Nissa, Worldwaker looks good. I'm glad they made a good Nissa card.
June 25, 2014 7:08 a.m.
+1: Untap up to 4 target forests? Yeah, I'd say she's pretty okay.
fluffybunnypants says... #2
Considering it looks like the storyline is revolving around Garruk being further corrupted/going on a rampage after the events of Innistrad, I think it's highly doubtful.
June 17, 2014 8:37 a.m.