Khans Block and "cards" that we may see
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Posted on July 30, 2014, 2:28 p.m. by WovenNebula
This is for "speculation" of cards that may come in the Khans Block.
I have a few ideas that may or may not come into fruition.
Now for my reasoning between the two cards I have listed above:
Akroma, Besides the obvious Morph ability that has since been revealed that we will have in Khans, We saw this card during Planar Chaos which was caused by an alternate reality due to time travel in Time Spiral block. Also the white Akroma, Angel of Wrath was in onslaught block which the ability "Morph" has been derived from.
Damnation, Again back to the alternate reality caused by time travel, as well as, simple hints/rumors that a Damnation reprint is coming. Also Wizards have said that Damnation would not be in FTV: Annihilation due to reasons that they can not reveal. Is this a hint that Damnation is coming since Khans has a "time travel" element? Also the original Damnation was in print with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in the same set, Planar Chaos.
Let me know what you would think be reprinted or added to the Khans block and why, sound off below!
omnipotato says... #3
I would love to see Exalted Angel again. I hope they go in a different direction with morph though, rather than just making it a way to play cards for cheaper mana cost.
July 30, 2014 2:32 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #5
Maybe its in the monoblack commander set. Msrp climbs 500%
July 30, 2014 2:37 p.m.
chrishuffman95 says... #6
If that happens, then thank god my LGS sells at MSRP.
In other news, Damnation seems possible, but I'm not 100% sure the reprint will happen. Akroma would be interesting, but I'm fairly certain that she's specific to that storyline, since her story was before the reset of the Multiverse. However, it's not out of the question to see something similar to the change to Akroma in another character.
July 30, 2014 2:40 p.m.
I would love to see Damnation reprinted for a standard set. The fact that it's not in the upcoming FTV gives me some hope.
July 30, 2014 2:49 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #8
Akroma I would be on the fence a bit more to be reprinted but I would think it would be fun to be reprinted.Damnation on the other hand I really do believe it will be more than likely. Mono black devotion would lose Mutavault , Desecration Demon , Lifebane Zombie , Pack Rat , Nightveil Specter , and Underworld Connections .
Black will have Thoughtseize , Hero's Downfall , Master of the Feast , Waste Not etc.. and with green running rampant with Chord of Calling and Nissa it'd be very fitting with Black turning into a more control route and with discard. Plus we don't have a Wrath yet :)
July 30, 2014 3:06 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #9
I would love to see Damnation reprinted.
We do have black wraths right now though.
Hythonia the Cruel (kind of)
July 30, 2014 3:31 p.m.
omnipotato says... #10
MindAblaze! those all cost too much to be effective in Standard, maybe with the exception of Extinguish All Hope but that would be pretty ineffective against Constellation decks.
July 30, 2014 3:35 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #11
I know...devil's advocate and all. Drown in Sorrow isn't that expensive, but mostly only good for mopping up dorks and aggro.
Compliment that with spot removal and hand disruption and you shouldn't get swarmed too bad that you couldn't afford to run a more expensive wrath as a one or two of, but a four mana replacement is definitely going to be better. No doot aboot it.
July 30, 2014 3:39 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #12
@MindAblaze! those wraths are soooo terrible lol. Anyways, what do you think wizards reasoning with them not reprinting it in the new FTV and saying they can not reveal why they weren't? Plus there is time travel in Khans which would cause a damnation although with those other wraths they may not then that would leave it another 10 years out or a special set reprint :(
July 30, 2014 3:39 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #13
I can't comment on why they can't reveal their reasoning but it seems suspicious doesn't it?
July 30, 2014 3:43 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #14
Yeah it does seen very suspicious lol and it leads me to believe they would giving black control a better foundation but I dunno, maybe I'm too optimistic.
July 30, 2014 3:45 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #15
I think Damnation would be too powerful in standard.
My guess would be Modern Masters 2.
July 30, 2014 6:04 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #16
@ APPLE01DOJ You're probably right. Damnation would slot right in where Supreme Verdict left (with obvious changes in supporting cast) with the upside of being easier to cast
July 30, 2014 6:14 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #17
I wonder if the Clans are going to be related to tribes in some way. Frontline Strategist seems like an interesting effect to have. Headhunter would fit nicely, Ebonblade Reaper would be nice. Dawning Purist would fit in too to follow up the enchantment block.
July 30, 2014 6:35 p.m.
Damnation is less color intensive, and it also has that can't be regenerated clause (probably a bigger issue than the mana cost). However, Supreme Verdict couldn't be countered. I have a hard time buying the idea that Damnation is too strong for standard.
July 30, 2014 7 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #21
I think it'd be less likely to get Mutilate than Damnation because we have Drown in Sorrow already. About the it can't be regenerated clause, the printed Reprisal . It being too powerful in standard I don't see having been around with Damnation and Wrath of God being in standard when I have played as well as the rotation happening leaving black without Abrupt Decay , Doom Blade and many others. It'd help dimir decks be more competitive, and mono black control somewhat competitive. Grixis control I don't really see happening with our current mana base unless fetches are in khans but I see that less likely than a Damnation reprint but these are just my opinions.
July 30, 2014 8:35 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #22
I don't think it's the regeneration that is the issue. It's the single color casting cost in an environment where black is already very strong. Not so strong though that it's completely outside the realm of possibility.
July 30, 2014 8:41 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #23
Yes, that was my point. It's the color suite that hold's it's power. Supreme Verdict felt needed where Damnation will probably just feel unfair to play against.
I say Mutilate because they reprinted Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
July 30, 2014 9:11 p.m.
chrishuffman95 says... #24
Mutilate with Urborg could be quite unfair, as unlike Damnation , it could hit indestructible creatures.
Granted, I want both in Standard. But I'm a black player.
July 30, 2014 9:16 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #25
That's another reason Y I think well get Mutilate instead. Liliana of the Dark Realms Devour Flesh and Quag Sickness are all rotating out and Indestructable is slapped on everything these days.
July 31, 2014 12:45 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #26
8 Wraths, hell yea that would be sick. Give us a Sheoldred, Whispering One to go with the Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth now thats a fun deck!
July 31, 2014 12:49 a.m.
I believe I heard that B/W/G is supposed to be the "new control" for the set/block... if so, then Damnation or a similar effect with a similar cost would be needed.
Flavour wise, I would hope to see something like Endemic Plague or Extinction . Referring, of course, to the extinction of the Dragons of Khans. - This may be best suited to the time travel portion of the block though... and these are probably only 'significant' in sets with a more tribal feel to them. With clan warfare, where the clans are a mix of creature types, this just wouldn't do enough to be playable (maybe sideboard for some deck types).
I don't think we will see any previously printed Legendary creatures like either version of Akroma. Not that she wouldn't fit into the play style, but because this is still Kahns of Tarkir. I don't think we will be seeing any jumping around to different Planes; just travelling through time on this Plane.
July 31, 2014 8:12 a.m.
I sort of hope to see a cylce of charms for the wedges like we got for the shards in Alara. (Naya Charm and such)
August 3, 2014 7:57 p.m.
LordOfDispair says... #29
If Damnation is reprinted, it would throw me over the edge on my Grixis vs American inner conflict, which was already leaning toward American. But esper and monoblack control would be back once again, which would be disgusting for standard. it would probably just die as a format.
August 4, 2014 11:29 p.m.
KrosanTusker says... #30
You mean Grixis vs Jeskai...
I'm kind of convinced by the arguments for Damnation , or a version without the regeneration clause (would that affect Modern too much? I can't think of a black deck that would want eight Wraths). I don't think we'll see red Akroma. She was from an alternate reality, not just the past.
August 5, 2014 6:23 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #31
@KrosanTusker i do realize that Akroma was from both and Damnation was also caused by the Alternate reality. In Khansblock their will be Time travel and I presume it has to do with dragons and if they change things from the past that would lead to an alternate reality, that's why I really believe Damnation will be in that block, Akroma on the other hand is less likely because of her character.
August 5, 2014 10:13 a.m.
KrosanTusker says... #32
I see no reason why Damnation couldn't exist in this reality too. We already have cards like Decree of Pain which have been developed by black mages in this reality. We don't need an alternate timeline plot to see a reprint of Damnation .
August 5, 2014 11:17 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #33
@KrosanTusker I'm mainly looking at Damnation as the result of time travel in the story. Kinda like the book The Time Machine. Maybe we could have a wrath like destroy all creatures except dragons. If they were to bring back dragons and the opposite were to happen damning them all except dragons lol. Just my point of view tho.
August 5, 2014 12:52 p.m.
I don't see Damnation being reprinted because of In Garruk's Wake . Cabal Coffers has my vote, but it's probably far less likely than Akroma.
August 5, 2014 7:43 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #36
Exalted Angel
, Time Stop
and the others mentioned above would be interesting. I would love to see more unique cards, not over powered, but ones that would create a diverse set of decks that reign when Khans comes out, rather than most of every deck being aggro.
The argument with Damnation not being reprinted because of In Garruk's Wake and the few others people have listed I find very irrelevant. For one Khans is a different block and each block has their own form of wrath, they don't just not make wraths in the next block because of the previous block. For number 2, we have to look back to what wraths existed when Damnation existed, and its nice little list. Plague Wind , Hex , Festering March , Curse of the Cabal , Culling Sun , Crime/Punishment and of course Wrath of God was legal at the same time. (Time Spiral Block, 9th Edition, and Ravnica block) Not to mention other pseudo wrath effects and in other colors. I just feel that Damnation will fit the reason why wizards can't tell us why its not in FTV: Annihilation, as well as, the story if time travel, having been the outcome of an alternate reality which can be caused by maybe bringing dragons back etc..? Then again as it is speculation it could be modern masters 2 that some are saying but I don't really see that as I believe why Wizards said no modern PT's in 2015 is to help them catch up with cards that have been skyrocketing, to print cards before they get too high.
Here is something a little off-topic but is relevant to Modern and might aid in reprints or more powerhouse cards in Khans to mix Modern up a bit.Link Here
August 6, 2014 10:06 p.m.
I still don't see what time travel has to do with Damnation . Show me the relevance in that.
I bet we'll see Swamp reprinted in Khans. Any takers?
August 7, 2014 12:04 a.m.
WovenNebula says... #38
@Jaxis Link for time travel Damnation was the result of time travel, going back and making changes ultimately will change things that happen later. Back to the Future is a good movie reference for that. The link above describes how time spiral block came to be, which Damnation is in that block.
August 7, 2014 12:13 a.m.
WovenNebula : Thanks, I already knew all that. I meant from more of an aesthetic point of view, that time travel itslef isn't necessary for a Damnation to exist. See your own argument about Plague Wind .
August 7, 2014 3:05 a.m.
....no clue why everything there is so large.... whatever it is, I didn't touch it.
August 7, 2014 3:06 a.m.
KrosanTusker says... #41
I don't subscribe to the idea that time travel changes the future. I think that because time is linear, if I were to go back in the past and do stuff, the "changes" would create the future that I came from, since in that future, the past stuff that I did had already happened. Does that make sense?
August 7, 2014 9:22 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #42
There is a better description for that KrosanTusker. Everything in time, future, past and present, is predetermined. This means that events in time already consider time travel in their events. Basically this is loop effect you see so often because it is the easiest to describe. I'm not saying that you don't have free will, you do, it's just that, time has already accounted for your free will. Think of time as a movie. If you click on the progress bar of a movie you play on your computer, it just jumps to that time in the movie. No matter where you click, the events in the movie stay the same.
So lets say you time travel back in time, 100 years. Your sudden arrival in the middle of the street has no effect on the already panicking group of people who seem to be running away from where you are standing. You, wondering what the hell is going on travel back in time one minute. The street is peaceful and quite until people realize that you just teleported in. Then they start screaming and panicking and you've just realized that the reason they were panicking one minute in the future, was because you traveled through time one minute in the past. So you go back home and don't travel back in time to that relative place and time EVER AGAIN. That point is crucial, because if you decide, in the future, to time travel again to sometime before those other times in, those first two times will won't be as I described. They will be, 1st time)extremely panicky and 2nd time)slightly panicky. And you time traveling back to the present after the 2nd time would be for a different reason then my initial example because you went there a third time.
Something like the events with Damnation would be more closely to Inter-Dimensional Time Travel. You aren't just time-traveling, you are traveling to an alternate reality as well, where you have no idea what is going to happen in the future.
Also, it isn't time travel, it is space-time travel. Why? Because if you travel back in time ONE SECOND, you are going to end up either, in space frozen solid, in space turned to ash, falling 10 miles from the sky, or petrified in the earth's crust. Why? Our galaxy is moving at a rate of 300,000 MILES PER HOUR. That isn't including the rotational speed of the galaxy, the rotational speed of earth around the sun nor the rotational speed of the earth itself.
SCIENCE! METAPHYSICS! Boom-de-ya-da, boom-de-ya-da.
August 8, 2014 5:09 a.m.
Time isn't necessarily predetermined, especially when you subscribe to multiverse theory. Any time that anyone arrives at a point where there are multiple options open to them, at that moment an alternate timeline is created for each of those options where that option was taken. Therefore, going back in time would create both an alternate timeline where you traveled to the past and one where you did not. Within each timeline, time would still be linear, but there are an infinite number of linear timelines running parallel to each other.
August 8, 2014 10:12 a.m.
KrosanTusker says... #44
Femme_Fatale you claerly put a lot of time into that. That was amazing.
jchudz I do not subscribe to multiverse theory (though the Magic multiverse totally exists). Lets argue theoretical physics! Woo!
WovenNebula I apologise for what is about to happen to your thread.
August 8, 2014 3:56 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #45
Oh I don't mind, in a sense it's relative to it, also time travel theories are quite interesting to read and postulate.
August 8, 2014 4:41 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #46
I personally think that follows a more inter-dimensional time travel theory jchudz. Basically, this theory explains the numerous paths without disrupting the original time frame. Each different choice belongs to its own dimension. Think of an alternate universe, but ignoring the scientifically accurate data that already proves the existence of alternate universes. I consider a dimension, a parallel multiverse, that basically exists because a choice was made by an observer of time (more complex method of describing life). It must be noted that these dimensions are never created, as they all already exist, as everything in the future has already been accounted for.
Think of time and alternate dimensions as a computer program in this sense. Hell, think of it as a quantum computer program, it would fit the criteria better. The program would be given a set code to work with, this would be time. It would find all the places where a choice could possibly be, and all those possible choices for that place, and create an alternate dimension for those choices. Once it has finished with the initial time code, it will go onto the first dimension it created and go through its time code. Now because this a program from a QUANTUM computer, it would do every single time code, at every single point, at every single dimension, at the same time, instantly. So basically I'm saying is the moment time was created, every single alternate dimension and choice was already accounted for for the future.
It also becomes a lot more confusing when we consider that space directly related to time at some degree in our universe, and that in other universes in our multiverse, time behaves drastically different, and may perhaps not exist at all. But I'll leave that for you to ponder.
August 8, 2014 8:09 p.m.
I would love to see a Damnation reprint, but I don't think they will simply because of how powerful Mono Black Devotion/Golgari Devotion is right now.
August 8, 2014 10:46 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #48
Threads like this are one of the many reasons I love coming here...Whether they're on topic or running parallel to it...
August 8, 2014 10:59 p.m.
I guess when it comes to time travel, the theory of multiple realities mostly helps as a way to explain the manifestation of paradoxes that inevitably come about.
Anyway, back to the thread topic. I don't see Damnation showing up in khans. In a wedge set, we should expect to see more multicolor cards, maybe we can expect a orzhov or golgari wrath effect.
August 9, 2014 9:17 a.m.
We will definitely see a 4-mana board wipe in Khans block.
TehCoopeh says... #2
I would love to see Damnation.
July 30, 2014 2:31 p.m.