Looks like Return to Zendikar!
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Posted on May 21, 2014, 9:57 a.m. by Ohthenoises
I joke, I joke. Seriously though, what else am I supposed to think about this guy?
GoldGhost012 says... #3
Dammit man, you got me excited!
Maybe fetches will be reprinted when we Return to Zendikar though.
May 21, 2014 10 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
It's fake, bro. Note that the collector's info says "mock," and that the "e" in "exile" in the cost of the last ability is not capitalized.
May 21, 2014 10:01 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #5
Epochalyptik I've never known mythic spoiler to be wrong in the past. /shrug.
May 21, 2014 10:03 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #6
I know know why it's a mock Epochalyptik. It's because it's been translated.
May 21, 2014 10:04 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #7
Yep, I can second that. Mythic spoiler creates translated mocks of non-english versions of cards that they find. This one's legit.
May 21, 2014 10:07 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #8
This is what it looks like unadulterated. And Ohthenoises, MythicSpoiler has incorrectly translated cards wrong before. Like with Eye of Doom in the C13 set.
May 21, 2014 10:07 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #9
GoldGhost012 Fair enough.
Still though, the "Zendikar" part is what got me excited.
Now, it could be that we never go there just like Archangel of Thune never sent us to Thune. Still though.
May 21, 2014 10:12 a.m.
Hopefully this isn't real... Green Fatties with irrelevant abilities and as Mythic Rare? How much play did Kalonian Hydra see again? I hope WOTC up the Power-level of M15 / KTH and future sets again, so we can have cards like Delver of Secrets Flip that bear new archetypes again. If not I foresee a grim future for eternal formats...
(Yes, I'm a bit sad that JOU offers no stand-out card(s) for modern/legacy... Only Eidolon of the Great Revel looks promising...)
May 21, 2014 10:12 a.m.
Also, as no one seems to mention, this card is sweet (probably only for EDH, but I could see a world where some mono G devotion deck plays it).
May 21, 2014 10:12 a.m.
I don't think this means fetches at all. Last core-set had Zendikar flavoured cards as well.
May 21, 2014 10:18 a.m.
Also the name of the next expansion set has been revealed and it's definitely not return to zendikar. It's called Khans of Tarkir. It's the plane that Sarkhan the Mad is from. I saw a little video on youtube where Mark Rosewater is announcing the set and he says that Tarkir is a plane filled with warlords. He said that it used to be roamed by dragons as well but they were all killed off so when Sarkhan became a planeswalker and traveled to other worlds he was amazed when he saw dragons. It's going to be a large set, small set, large set format for the block and he said that there may be something different they're doing with the set as a whole but he couldn't go into at that time. He also said that in this set there is something that people have been asking them to bring back and they finally have after a long absence.... and... there is something that people have been asking them for that they've never done before and in this set they finally did it, but that was all he had to say about those two things.
May 21, 2014 10:18 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #15
Yes, pretty much everyone else saw that video as well.
These guys are hoping for an 'eventually', not a 'right this damn second'
May 21, 2014 10:23 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #16
Clarification: we want RTZ "right this damn second," but we know it'll happen "eventually."
May 21, 2014 10:26 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #17
abenz419 I know the next set has been revealed. Were you missing the "I joke, I joke" part? Chances are good that RTZ will be a thing, probably after the next block.
May 21, 2014 10:31 a.m.
RTZ would not happen until after a return to either Lorwyn/Shadowmoor or Alara. A return this early would cause fatigue very quickly I feel in the modern Magic audience.
May 21, 2014 10:39 a.m.
julianjmoss says... #19
epoch, the reason it says mock is that the one on the site is german (or another language) and so they made a mock to translate it.
May 21, 2014 10:54 a.m.
By the way, the translation is correct, as confirmed by a friend who can read the card.
May 21, 2014 11:23 a.m.
Of course? I'm not stupid. I was talking about 1; The card itself being translated properly and 2; "Chances are good that RTZ will be a thing, probably after the next block." which did not come off as a joke to me, because if ti was supposed to be sarcastic, you seem to have a hard time conveying that through text.
May 21, 2014 12:03 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #23
Maro has stated that they're bringing back something we've wanted for a while, and to me that can only be fetch lands. This card, his statement, Wizards interest in breaking the modern barrier, sarkahn coming back (he was in zendikar block last we saw him) ; all of these point to fetch lands.
It would be awesome to return to zendikar though.
I think overall the card is decent. There are better cards that put creatures out at instant speed though, and for a lot less mana
May 21, 2014 12:34 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #25
I hope to god that you're right, and wizzy does print fetches in M15. I'm getting sick of literally every speculation discussion turning into "WEN IZ FECHES COMING?!?!"...
Nothing against you personally, but let's be honest, that's the state that we're in right now.
May 21, 2014 12:39 p.m.
SharuumNyan says... #26
gufymike - this quote means nothing. Fetch demand didn't happen out of the blue. Wizards acknowledged the issues with having half a set of fetches back in May 2011 when Modern was first announced. A Modern Proposal
Plans do take time to execute, but they've had that time.
May 21, 2014 12:47 p.m.
Anyone else think the "thing" might not be fetches, but rather another cycle of ful-art lands? Tarkir looks like a plane that could be quite breathtaking in appearance.
May 21, 2014 12:53 p.m.
SharuumNyan I would agree with you, if the quote wasn't from a couple a months ago. If they were going to make a move on fetches, it would have been 2012. The whole thing that it hinges on is 'any time soon'. 2015 is the right time anyways, due to the strong mana bases now and time too let the cool off in standard.
While modern is hurt by the prices, the mana fixing issue mentioned in the article is not an issue in reality. Using enemy colored fetches doesn't hurt the consistency of mana bases. I have no problems with Misty Rainforest
instead of Scalding Tarn
and Marsh Flats
instead of Arid Mesa
in u/w/r control. Esper can survive also (if it had a good deck around it).
May 21, 2014 12:58 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #29
Just saying, even the untranslated German version of the card doesn't capitalize the "exile" at the beginning of the second ability. Im not saying that its a fake, but I think we shouldn't be getting too excited. I actually hope you are right, Spootyone. I would love to get some new full arts
May 21, 2014 1:15 p.m.
Personally, id probably prefer full art basics over fetches. But maybe thats due to me not playing modern. The only thing id use fetches for are in my edh decks if I wanted to go full spike mode lol.
Full-art lands, however, would make buying boosters viable for me again. When rare-searching, boosters are like playing a lottery. Full-art lands in boosters would make every lottery ticket a winning one. Im so into that.
May 21, 2014 1:33 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #32
Full art lands coming back would make me skip booster boxes entirely and spend all of my monies on fat packs.
May 21, 2014 1:38 p.m.
Rhinowarrior says... #33
Back to the subject at hand... This card sucks. Ok well it is alright but it definitley should not be a freaking mythic. Wth wizards!
May 21, 2014 1:41 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #34
When complaining about a card's rarity, first think about how highly you pick it in draft. This thing is a pretty huge bomb in limited, hence the rarity.
May 21, 2014 1:43 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #35
I'm asking for fetches yes but I don't necessarily think they'll be printed this year. I'm just saying these signs point to a reprint soon, which could be 2015, or even later.
When it all comes down to it, we aren't Wizards. We can make educated guesses but we don't ever really know until they let us know.
I personally think he's talking about fetch lands. And it would be really funny if he was talking full arts because I think at this point those are insanely hard to obtain in bulk
May 21, 2014 1:51 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #36
I see him competing with Hydra Broodmaster . Both are 6 drops with a mana sink that creates creature tokens. The hydra has a bigger body and it's ability is better with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx ramp. On the flip side this avatar still gives value when Thoughtseize 'd and could be good in a Strength of the Fallen deck.
May 21, 2014 2:36 p.m.
Well, this card is underwhelming.
At least give it trample, or something.
May 21, 2014 2:37 p.m.
5 mana for a Beast after I just paid 6? This is horseshit, Wizards. If you're going to do something like this, at least just reprint Dragon Roost or a card with at least a shred of potential.
This card will be $15 for pre-sale prices and then $2 for the rest of time.
May 21, 2014 2:59 p.m.
HarbingerJK says... #40
I'm predicting a return to Zendikar in 2016 because there is a pattern for return blocks. Mirrodin was released in 2003 and 7 years later Scars was released (2010). Ravinca was released in 2005 and Return was released 7 years later in 2012. Zendikar was released in 2009, 7 years would make it 2016. You are welcome theorists and speculators
May 21, 2014 3:13 p.m.
@Ohthenoises Well if having this card "soul to zendikar" in M15 suggest a return to Zendikar then that would mean Archangel of Thune would suggest a set that goes to Thune, assuming your logic works for more than just the "soul to zendikar" card. So even if you are right and that's what they are suggesting, that would mean it probably isn't after next block like you said because we'd probably be going to Thune first. That would mean this is forecasting something to happen at a minimum of at least 4 years from now if not longer (meaning this card would have no interaction with the actual RTZ set). Since it's been pretty much the general consensus (even before this spoiler) that magic would eventually make a return to Zendikar that also means this isn't even spoiling anything that magic players didn't already know.
May 21, 2014 3:16 p.m.
Meh. They were allegedly doing a revisit every two years, but that has clearly ended.
May 21, 2014 3:17 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #43
Different cards appeal to different people. Not every mythic needs to be $50 worthy, or even remotely good for competitive play.
May 21, 2014 3:17 p.m.
Exactly. I said it's underwhelming. It's assumed and obvious that I'm referring to my own opinion of the card there. It would be childish to say "It's underwhelming and bad and shit and carcinogenic and anyone who thinks otherwise is a beef-witted applejohn and should jump off the nearest suspension bridge."
You seem to think I'm picking a fight when I'm just expressing my own opinion, just as you are.
May 21, 2014 3:46 p.m.
HarbingerJK says... #45
@zandl there are people in this world who think their opinion is the end-all be-all. I should know, I lived with one for 3 years lol
May 21, 2014 4:22 p.m.
allthingsMTG says... #46
I just love the people saying archangel of thune never took us to thune, thune is a location on SHANDALAAR, at least i am pretty sure.
June 8, 2014 10:44 p.m.
@allthingsMTG your missing the point. The point was that if having this in M15 meant a return to zendikar was near then having something like Archangel of Thune in M14 would mean we're going there first. So, assuming the OP's logic applies to more than just the Soul of Zendikar card, then that meant they were wrong about a return to zendikar possibly being the next block, (which is what was being pointed out), because using his own logic we would be making a trip to the plane Archangel of Thune came from before we ever went to zendikar again.
you would have known that if you actually payed attention to the stuff you read, then you wouldn't feel the need to point out irrelevant information that you took out of context to begin with.
June 11, 2014 11:37 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #49
This whole thread was a joke.... So sad to see people blowing it up.
June 11, 2014 11:42 a.m.
MindAblaze says... #50
it seems like somebody had their wheaties shit in this morning...
Ohthenoises says... #2
This might mean a set of fetches not too far on the horizon!
May 21, 2014 9:58 a.m.