M15
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Posted on May 29, 2014, 4:27 p.m. by Blood_Veteran
If they reprint Thragtusk im going to play B/G because of the synergy with Whip of Erebos . Hope it happens! :D
They never will. It was a one off. Such a fantastic card though.
May 29, 2014 4:40 p.m.
strateupjee says... #4
If they reprint Thragtusk, im going to cry. He was a good card when he was out, and I played him, but he was too good. It was "play thragtusk or be second best", and that sucks to play against.
May 29, 2014 4:48 p.m.
Absolutely. He was run in almost all decks that feasibly could have him. The insult was the fact that he only required a single green source - which is ridiculous. If he was 3GG or 2GGG it would have been a bit more balanced.
May 29, 2014 4:50 p.m.
Given that he creates tokens and gives life he could thematically be 3GW. That would have made him A LOT more balanced and fit within the colour pie.
May 29, 2014 4:51 p.m.
They'll never print Thragtusk again. I'm too lazy to look for it, but MaRo openly apologized for its existence.
May 29, 2014 4:54 p.m.
ryuzaki32667 says... #8
his single green in cost is what made him dumb, any deck could play him and not worry about the mana, I for one was one of those people (I played him in black wolf-run) it was the only green card in a mono black deck other than some farseek. If they altered his cost like mentioned above and made a functional reprint (probly using that term incorrect) He wouldn't be near as annoying.
May 29, 2014 5 p.m.
I feel like making him 3GG wouldn't matter at all, and 2GGG would only stop its usefulness a bit. The mana was so good while it was Standard, too, that 2GGG at the time wouldn't have even mattered. People were already spamming Garruk, Primal Hunter in 3-color decks.
The real problem with Thragtusk was that, if it entered the battlefield, it was always going to be a 3-1 (1 for killing the Tusk, 1 for killing the Beast, and 1 for 5 more damage to get through). If they made a functional reprint of Thragtusk but with a cost of 2GGG and made it so you didn't get the Beast token unless Thrag died, it would be far more balanced.
May 29, 2014 5:36 p.m.
Blood_Veteran says... #11
So because i'm a noob is it possible they would change it slightly then reprint it. Like you guys said twiddle with the mana cost?
May 29, 2014 5:48 p.m.
Blood_Veteran says... #13
:'( Meh. Anyone have cool deck ideas based on stuff that has been leaked?
May 29, 2014 5:51 p.m.
Well, as zandl highlighted, there were a variety of reasons why Thragy was broken.
I guess these can be summed up by:
1) Lenient casting cost (only one green required)
2) Low casting cost (5 mana for a 5/3 and then a 3/3)
3) The fact that it at least 2-for-1s because if you try to answer it with a killspell it leaves tiny thrag behind.
4) The general implications it had for aggro and burn (basically unplayable once one hit the board due to the lifegain and the difficulty in removing).
May 29, 2014 5:51 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #15
Have to remember too, that part of the reason that Thraggy is considered broken is because he was accessed by literally every deck. This is in part due to the fact that Farseek + Stomping Ground etc + Rootbound Crag etc gives pretty much perfect mana, and any deck had access to one green. I think that if Thrag were to be reprinted today, he wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as he was then, just because not every deck can just cut 8 slots to accommodate his existence.
I will admit though that the card itself in a vacuum is also outrageous, and I'm glad to see it gone. I'm just saying that there is slight justification in a potential future reprint, especially if the rest of the green base in that set / block weren't set to be as good.
May 29, 2014 7:38 p.m.
The absolute last thing MBD with its Green splash is Thragtusk .
That deck would simply be invincible.
May 29, 2014 7:41 p.m.
sigh
The absolute last thing MBD with its Green splash needsi is Thragtusk .
May 29, 2014 7:42 p.m.
Another thing people need to take into consideration as to why this card was broken is Restoration Angel .
They both coexisted in standard and the angel made the tusk that much more broken.
May 29, 2014 9:46 p.m.
sigh<.br>The absolute last thing MBD splashing Green needs is Thragtusk . :P
May 29, 2014 10:20 p.m.
But you didn't need Resto Angel to make Thragtusk good. It was obviously a very silly interaction, but Resto didn't make Thrag broken.
May 29, 2014 10:20 p.m.
sighThe absolute last thing MBD splashing Green needs is Thragtusk .:q
May 29, 2014 10:21 p.m.
My deck, with Gift of Immortality would LOVE a Thragtusk ...
It can already seem broken with Brindle Boar and Angelic Accord .... but also having Thrag would just make the deck truly complete.
...Yeah... that's not going to happen. :(
May 30, 2014 12:17 p.m.
hisaoawesome says... #26
Selfishly I hope Daybreak Coronet is reprinted in M15 as a Mutavault type reprint so I can afford a playset
May 31, 2014 12:22 a.m.
Speaking of Daybreak Coronet do you think we will see some new enchant creatures for some synergy with the Theros set? Or will M15 have cards supporting the next expansion?
June 13, 2014 11:36 a.m.
Ultimaodin says... #28
M15 will not have enchant creatures, that's a block thing. It will still have good enchantments though the way Ravnica/m14 included enchantment removal, removal form enchantment and powerful enchantments like Assemble the Legion and Primeval Bounty.
I actually could see Daybreak getting a reprint, I meant look at the art. Does he not just look like he suits Khans.
June 13, 2014 12:07 p.m.
A reprint of Daybreak just makes more ad more sense the more I think about it.
It's expensive as hell (relatively, okay) and a Modern staple; you can't really play Bogles without. Giving it to Standard might obviously make a Bestow/Hexproof tier-1 viable, but it still wouldn't be too powerful because Ethereal Armor is leaving Standard.
June 13, 2014 1:18 p.m.
5/3 body by default. 5 life on etb, free 3/3 creature when he leaves the battlefield, paired with Restoration Angel
made this thing sickly annoying.
sad robot isn't as good, because it only has a etb and dies trigger. If it was a ltb on the draw, it would be as good probably.
June 16, 2014 9:58 a.m.
Solemn Simulacrum is a very good and balanced Magic card. If you were complaining about Sad Robot while he was in Standard a few years back, you had no right.
I'd love to see it reprinted.
June 16, 2014 1:26 p.m.
Speaking of possible reprints, I'm a little surprised we never saw a reprint of the Oblivion Stone in Theros. Maybe it will make an appearance in M15.
June 16, 2014 1:35 p.m.
It seems like they always include a small handful of unplayable-in-constructed reprints Darksteel Forge , Akroma's Memorial , Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker , Serra Avatar , etc.) to make staple EDH cards easier to find and cheaper.
June 16, 2014 1:48 p.m.
Given that both the Triad of Fates and the Oblivion Stone use fate counters, I figure they will reprint the stone at some point.
June 16, 2014 1:53 p.m.
TEGHabibird says... #36
Before ravnica rotates out an interesting idea would be
Blood Bairn + Ornithopter + Athreos, God of Passage
I'd run it in a junk shell. Have that engine running by turn 3 with a turn 1 elvish mystic.
June 19, 2014 10:13 p.m.
Until I just pay 3 life the first time and you realize you made a complicated Lightning Bolt and that Athreos is very mediocre.
June 20, 2014 3:37 a.m.
7 damage can be done on turn 2, without shenanigans, with red.
June 20, 2014 3:59 a.m.
But then you have nothing left, and that's assuming you got that hand AND I had no removal.
There's a reason Athreos is never in a posted top-8 deck.
June 20, 2014 4:13 a.m.
Guys... stop hating on SwagTusk... he was just an OP individual trying to find a place in standard. He probably used to be Grizzly Bear... and then he had an upgrade.
June 20, 2014 10:11 a.m.
Don't hate the card; hate R&D. Thragtusk was somebody's pride and joy creation before it got fucked up .
Hunter_mtg says... #2
I don't think they will reprint the 'tusk but I don't think it will be as dominant if they do.
May 29, 2014 4:36 p.m.