Magic Origins SPOILERS!
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Posted on June 8, 2015, 1:03 a.m. by JWiley129
MaRo's article got spoiled early, so we have some SPICY Previews with "new" mechanics!
TL;DR: Menace is replacing Intimidate & Landwalk, Prowess is now evergreen primary in Blue secondary in Red and maybe tertiary in White, and Protection is now deciduous used only as necessary.
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Also, with that 2-mana jace, mono-blue flip decks incoming?Delver, Snapcaster, FlipJace. U see the combo potential?
June 14, 2015 8:41 a.m.
this is beautiful. So what do people think about the new chandra and nissa? Nissa seems weak :/
Also, I LOVE THIS NEW JACE! PLEASE GIVE ME MORE MILL CARDS!
Also, chandra seems underpowered :/ except for the fact her emblem is game over.
Another point. if displacement wave isn't used in many control decks, I'd assume it becoming a sideboard card against tokens since you can wipe their board for 2 mana no exceptions including buffs. Bye bye!
Lastly, sure mizzium meddler is pretty good, but I don't understand how anybody could compare it to spellskite. Really. You only get to use it once. Maybe a flash loop?
Edit: are there any other new cards spoiled?
June 14, 2015 8:56 a.m.
So are we all in agreement that the Liliana and the Jace are the two best planeswalkers?
June 14, 2015 9:24 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #7
Nissa, Jace, and Chandra were leaked or something on tumblr. I believe tooTimid was the first to link Jr a couple pages back. They appear to be SDCC promos, so either they're a leak or someone put a ton of time into making these fakes.
Mizzium Meddler and Displacement Wave are on MTGSalvation's Origins spoiler page.
June 14, 2015 9:34 a.m. Edited.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #8
The planeswalkers are on the Salvation page too, I believe.
June 14, 2015 9:39 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #9
For 2 CMC Jace is actually quite good. Flashback, even sorcery speed flashback is a powerful ability for his -3. Sadly nothing Modern worthy as of yet.
June 14, 2015 10:09 a.m.
The chandra, as i said earlier, is absolutely horrendous. They realized they made a half decent chandra in m14 and m15 and decided they had to fix their mistake as soon as possible.
I don't like nissa's 3 cmc cost. I think it's rediculous that she's three mana and she doesn't even put the forest into play. Two mana would have been better. I think the 7 land requirement is reasonable. Her flipped walker status is better than jace's so it should be harder to hit.
And i'm honestly not happy about jace. I mean, he's fine, and I love the idea of an 0/2 looter for 2cmc. But the fact that you can't keep that sucks, as it's so easy to have 5 cards in your graveyard. On top of that, the wording sucks. If you have 5 cards in the yard when you cast him, does he automatically trigger? Or do you have to loot with him first? It doesn't specify.
June 14, 2015 10:32 a.m.
@kyuuri117: his transformation is a part of his activated ability. You tap him, loot and then, if there are five or more cards in your graveyard, you transform him.
June 14, 2015 10:41 a.m.
To all the people who think that Chandra is hard to flip: WRONG. Chandra is probably the easiest to flip of the bunch. Reread her ability: "If Chandra has done 3 or more damage this turn, flip her". It does not say that the 3 damage has to be dealt with that ability. Which means you can chump block with her, then ping the opponent for 1, and now you have a walker. Yay!
The new Jace is interesting. For 2 mana, he's got a pretty decent effect, and he has the potential to flip pretty quickly too. His walker form is meh, except for his -3 ability.
The Nissa sucks. For 3 mana, you can get a Forest. And if you have 7 lands, you get a walker. Woo. And while the walker isn't half bad, she's SOOOOOOOOO slow.
June 14, 2015 10:42 a.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #13
I would say that Jace is the easiest to flip honestly.
June 14, 2015 10:44 a.m.
If this chandra turns out to be real i'm not going to buy a single freaking pack of MTG: Origins.
The method used to get Chandra to flip is completely retarded. Why? Because there is no way a red deck can wait until T4 to unload all our cards. That goes against the way mono 
has been played in every format for ages. Yes I know we can just deal damage with Chandra but chances are if our opponent doesn't have a creature out it's because they are playing control. If they do have a creature you're probably going to lose chandra in the battle or you'll have to use that red spell to clear a path for chandra.
Notice how the Liliana, the spoiled Jace, Nissa all work well with things your deck would already be doing?
Jace doesn't require you to have a bunch of spells to support him. Jace also is going to sneak in under the control players unless they print 1 mana counter that hits creatures or the control player is playing discard. That spoiled Jace is also going to be a pain if used with Tasigur, the Golden Fang.
Nissa is slow but still better than Chandra IMO. She acts as a very bad Pilgrim's Eye that can't block flying attackers, but when she flips her +1 is better than Domri Rade's.
June 14, 2015 10:48 a.m.
6tennis Chandra has to actually live a turn to block and ping. And honestly, it's not like her walker form is even good, so who cares if she flips. You can basically ignore her.
Nissa... is lackluster for 3 mana. Again, should have put the land into play. However, it's very easy to hit 7 mana in a midrange or control deck, and if you do, she's a great way to close the game. And if landfall is a thing, she's going to be amazing.
Lame_Duck Thanks for clearing that up. Still a bit disappointed. Would have loved a 2 mana looter that just stuck around. Maybe running a lot of delve spells will be able to get around that.
Also, 6Tennis, the jaces +1 is very reminiscent of Architect of Thoughts +1, which people thought was awful when it was first spoiled. I think that if you're running that jace, you're going to be running removal, so he's gonna be very good there. His ultimate is, of course, awful. There are many, many reasons you don't want to put cards in your opponents grave yard.
June 14, 2015 11:04 a.m. Edited.
I didn't realize that Chandra had to live a turn to flip...oops. Now there's gonna be a Boros deck that runs Valorous Stance too lol.
I guess we all agree on Nissa sucking. Good.
Good call on Jace's +1 kyuuri117. I also thought that it sucked at first, but then it ended up being pretty good in the right deck.
June 14, 2015 11:15 a.m.
I don't actually think nissa sucks. I think she's gonna be a great anti-flood option for collected company decks.
June 14, 2015 11:21 a.m.
Possibly. But even still, she's extraordinarily hard to flip.
June 14, 2015 11:23 a.m.
Why? You can play her with 7 mana, play a land that she fetches, and attempt to flip her.
I mean, sure, you have to get to 7 mana. But it's not like that's hard if you build your deck that way.
June 14, 2015 11:29 a.m.
OK, hard wasn't the right word to use. Rather, she's pretty slow.
Take for instance, Collected Company. They're aiming to go off really fast, right? And if you can't get your walker until you have 7 lands, you're probably going to be taking a lot of damage. See what I mean? She just probably will have a hard time against the more aggressive decks of the format.
June 14, 2015 11:32 a.m.
While that's true, it also depends on what cards we see in origins. For example... If they reprint scav ooze, having extra green mana fetched by nissa will be awesome. Or if there's any other good green mana sink.
June 14, 2015 11:34 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #23
I actually think Jace's ultimate is pretty good. 5 cards a turn is a lot added up over the course of the game.
Now, having said that, I don't think the ultimate is competitive, especially with Delve being everywhere. Merely a good ability.
June 14, 2015 1:26 p.m.
Perhaps use new Nissa in some form of 
tokens using the following:
Birds of Paradise
Nest Invader
Harrow (Only cast when opponent is tapped out)
New Nissa
Noble Hierarch
Gavony Township
Path to Exile
Tarmogoyf maybe
Voice of Resurgence
Splash 
for lingering souls or and kill spells or 
for Dragonlord Ojutai and counterspells?
Surprising somebody by sacrificing the Eldrazi Spawn to cast harrow for bassically 
and then using the new mana to cast Remand or Mana Leak is pretty spicy and you're opponent will be like "WTF...what the hell do I even do?" especially when you can then go to yoru turn and use Gavony Township for some good old beat down. It's pretty great when an opponent taps out and you have open and you harrow into or even . They never see it coming lol.
June 14, 2015 1:37 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #25
Y'all are also forgetting that E3 is this weekend, so they may have been leaked by E3 personnel.
That being said... fuck every single new 'Walker in this set besides Liliana. They all suck.
June 14, 2015 5:17 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #26
Does WotC even prepare something MTG-related for the E3? Like maybe Duels of the Planeswalkers games or something? I'm not too sure, to be honest.
Also, you can't really say that all the new 'walkers suck since we haven't seen Gideon yet. :p
June 14, 2015 5:24 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #27
Jace's -3 is interesting. Even though it can only be activated at sorcery speed, targeting, say, a remand means that you can drop a bomb while letting your opponent know you are prepared to deal with any shenanigans. Reusing serum visions, getting your bolts (albeit at sorcery speed) and flashing back a command (take your pick of which one, they've both got 3-4 playable at sorcery speed) still means a lot of value without having to hold up the 1U for a snappy. His +1 is definitely good against aggro and non-boggles voltron, and like beleren before him has an utterly useless ultimate. But he certainly looks more playable than the other two mana walker...
June 14, 2015 5:25 p.m.
elpokitolama says... #28
The only reason why Jace's -3 is good is that it's like half a Snapcaster, but for 0 mana. :>
June 14, 2015 6:24 p.m.
Some people were talking about Nissa and Scapeshift earlier. Not sure if it's a joke or not, but anyone care to explain?
June 14, 2015 9:10 p.m.
New cards spoiled. Art is low quality though, so I'll just type.
Mizzium Meddler 
Creature - Human Wizard
Flash
When Mizzium Meddler enters the battlefield, change the target of a single spell to target Mizzium Meddler.
1/4 (it fucking eats bolts! this thing is great!)
Displacement Wave 
Instant
Return each nonland permanent with concerted mana cost X or less to their owners' hands.
Both cards are set in the plane of Vryn, Jace's homeplane.
Both cards could be awesome in some form of Mono-Blue Devotion, or maybe even Simic CoCo (with the new Nissa, MAYBE).
June 14, 2015 10:38 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #33
We were talking about those for like all of last night dude.
June 14, 2015 10:41 p.m.
The reason Architect of Thought's ability isn't that bad is cause it hits all your opponents creatures. This one only hits one, and is therefore a very meh ability.
I think something like scry 1 would be great and thematic for the card but wizards is afraid of making a jace that is good again so we would never get that.
The -3 is cool and I like it (though i wish it were costed @-2 or that he had a +2) and for wahtever reason WotC loves mill even though basically every player in competitive hates it. so of course that's his ult. though it is awful imo. like why would i do that when i could flashback 3 other cards instead?
Personally for Jace I would say
creature: Same
+1 Scry 1
-X You can play target card with cmc X in a graveyard
-9 Same or bump to 10
i HAte the Chandra.nissa has good abilities and i like her but she's never getting flipped.Waiting on Gideon.I like Liliana.
June 15, 2015 12:15 a.m.
Balls, control decks are putting that wave thing in the sideboard...
My RDW is crying right now, I can hear it. 3:
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN INSTANT!?
June 15, 2015 12:52 a.m.
FinchFalcon says... #40
The new Chandra is HOT (pun intended... Sorry).
Seriously. Turn three (or four? How much mana is she?), I tap, deal one, play bolt, deal three and untap, tap, deal one, play bolt deal three and untap, tap, deal one, flip, plus to deal two. Eleven damage in one turn with a repeatable shock Planeswalker that needs to be dealt with. With the right hand, she ends the game.
June 15, 2015 3:58 a.m.
@Falcon, 6/11 damage was done without the planeswalker. Conceivably, you spent 3 mana to deal 2 more damage than a Bolt. It is bad, she is nigh on unplayable, even in standard.
June 15, 2015 4:21 a.m.
elpokitolama says... #42
Also, Chandra can definitively be used in a RDW that runs Brute Force. Or simply in Storm! ;)
Edit: even better: Boros Charm.
June 15, 2015 7:17 a.m. Edited.
I think Chandra is going to be very EASY to flip.
Cast her T3, then you only need to be able to cast 2 red spells on T4.
Assuming you have 4 mana, that's any 2x burn at 2CMC or less. - So assuming Wild Slash + Lightning Strike, you've got 8 damage (3 had to be to player) for 3 mana, and then you flip Chandra and do another 2 damage (could be to creature or player).
In Standard, even without burn, it's quite simple as you have a number of decent Dash creatures that you could be using on T1 and T2.
- Even missing T4's land drop, all of the above still works.
June 15, 2015 8:53 a.m.
I don't think Chandra would be good in storm.
She would definitely be easy to flip, but on T3 (if you're not going off), you will want to be filling up your graveyard.
...but the main reason so doesn't seem good is that when you flip her she adds nothing to Storm.
June 15, 2015 9:05 a.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #46
I have a feeling that Nissa's design took BFZ's release into account. If we see a return of Landfall this design makes a lot more sense and goes from being fringe playable to auto include in a landfall deck.
That being said I will be picking her up to build around in EDH. Her and Titania, Protector of Argoth make great alternate commanders. Hope to pick her up on the cheap before a potential spike when BFZ launches.
Jace does nothing for me which means some blue mage will break the heck out of it. Happens every time.
June 15, 2015 10:42 a.m.
CanadianShinobi says... #47
LittleBlueHero nope. He might see play in Standard, but he won't see play in Modern or anything else. Actually none of these will.
June 15, 2015 1:04 p.m.
New spoilers, and the second new mechanic: Spell mastery!
I suck as formatting, so someone can "link for the lazy" Mythicspoiler for me, that'd be great.
------ says... #1
Displacement Wave -> X = 0, destroy all tokens for 2 blue. Fair deal.I just wish it had instant speed.
Mizzium Meddler is actually AS GOOD AS Spellskite.You realize this thing has FLASH, right? Spellskite got the field control, Meddler has the surprise-factor. This will wreck alot of combat phases I think.
June 14, 2015 8:35 a.m.