Manifest with transform
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Posted on Dec. 29, 2014, 8:10 p.m. by Izzet_Planeswalker
I was wondering how manifest would work with transform cards, cause I found a ruling (711.6. A double-faced permanent always has the status "face up". Double-faced permanents can't be turned face down. If a spell or ability tries to turn a double-faced permanent face down, nothing happens.) So I'm wondering what happens if manifest say hits a werewolf does it 1) still come in morphed face down, 2) get cheated in to play as there normal self's, 3) creatures get cheated in as there transformed forms, or 4) they just stay on top of the deck
shinobigarth says... #4
so your werewolf enters as a generic 2/2, which you then pay the mana cost to turn over to the human side, and then fulfill the requirements to finally turn to the werewolf side.
December 29, 2014 8:29 p.m.
Izzet_Planeswalker says... #5
OK thank you, sorry I didn't know where to put this and so I figured since this was a new ability then I'd ask on the speculation forum, sorry again
December 29, 2014 8:35 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #6
Yup, they're not TFCs. ;) Ugin's Nexus is warping both time... and space!
December 29, 2014 9:25 p.m.
I guess transforming cards are technically "two-faced" and the "back" is either the back of the checklist proxy or the back of the sleeve. So I guess we have front-face, back-face, and actual card-back on transform cards.
The transform rules even refer to such cards as two-faced. http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/157b
December 30, 2014 12:32 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
The manifest rules are basically overwriting the transform rules for this interaction. There's no reason to make the explanation more complicated and try to distinguish between the faces and the card back as elements. That distinction doesn't exist.
Epochalyptik says... #2
Rules questions belong in the Q&A, which is linked in the header bar. I can't move this to the Q&A. Normally, I would move it to BE instead, but it'll stay in SRS because the official rules have not yet been released.
Matt Tabak has confirmed that the DFC will enter the battlefield face-down (meaning as a 2/2 creature with no other characteristics) like any other manifested card. If the front face of the DFC is a creature, then you may pay its mana cost and turn it face up.
December 29, 2014 8:22 p.m.