Modern Masters 2 (Confirmed)
Spoilers, Rumors, and Speculation forum
Posted on Dec. 7, 2014, 7:54 a.m. by JexInfinite
What do you think will be reprinted, excluding the obvious Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Etched Champion?
I'm speculating that Birthing Pod, Phyrexian Obliterator, Vendilion Clique and Cryptic Command will be seeing reprints, along with Zendikar fetches.
tyforthevenom says... #2
APPLE01DOJ the feels, i bought 2 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale in a single month had to eat tinned meals every day.... worth it
December 8, 2014 12:53 p.m.
I just had an idea that I haven't seen anyone give here. What if the Filter lands (Cascade Bluffs and friends) are reprinted in MM2015? With the likelihood of Zendikar fetches in Dragons of Tarkir, that would open up the Filter lands, which haven't been reprinted anywhere, in this set.
Also, I think we know where Damnation went. :)
December 8, 2014 12:55 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #4
I'd love a Filter Lands reprint!!!
I only have Twilight Mire but would love to obtain the rest. They come into play untapped and help mana fixing by tons.
December 8, 2014 12:59 p.m.
Wizards doesn't and shouldn't really give a shit about players who want to collect modern from a financial perspective. They've said many times the whole restricted list thing wasn't a good idea and blah blah blah. Long story short: modern staples are going to reprinted the shit out of, and really should be to keep the format accessible. I would be glad if they reprinted goyfs every year in modern masters, just to keep the price down - and this is coming from someone that owns 4.
Magic is not a financial meritocracy, and shouldn't be. Magic is a skill based meritocracy. By removing finances as a barrier to entry wizards are doing the right thing. Fuck everyones selfishness and greed.
The only thing I'm concerned about is that wizards aren't holding true to their claims. Limited print rates at high prices do not really scream to me 'we're increasing access to modern' haha. They could try harder, I think.
December 8, 2014 12:59 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #6
I WANT A LEGACY MASTERS SET IRL NOT ON MAGIC ONLINE
WHO AGREES?
December 8, 2014 1:02 p.m.
OmegaAura113 says... #7
I'm putting my money (literally; gonna buy them if they come out!) on Karn Liberated, the 5 praetors, Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon, Phyrexian Obliterator, Birthing Pod, Iona, Shield of Emeria and Blightsteel Colossus. (Maybe Linvala, Keeper of Silence and Sorin Markov reprints too!)
December 8, 2014 1:27 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #8
Regigigas23 Sheoldred, Whispering One reprint with new artwork would be sick.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite would be sick too. & like Sheoldred the original artwork is badass but I'd like to see new.
December 8, 2014 2:17 p.m.
Emerakul is collector's number three so the only cards that could have an earlier collector's number (since they have to be non-artifact and colorless) is:
- All is dust
- Artisan of Kozilek
- Eldrazi Conscription
So we know two out of these three will be printed in the set. My guess is all is dust and Artisan of Kozilek.
December 8, 2014 3:20 p.m.
Ok, let me ask you a question. This might be pretty dumb, but....
Why not just print all expensive cards as commons? I mean, then MTG wouldn't be about speculating in money. It would be the game itself. Screw all the collectors!
Yes, I am actually serious (and I am not mad... Well, I don't think so).
December 8, 2014 4:16 p.m.
You can't print everything at common level because it makes sealed and draft really silly. You have to have some cards that are less likely to appear. That balances out play that depends on boosters. The answer is to simply print more booster.
December 8, 2014 4:30 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #14
they could potentially use modern masters 2 to bring cards to modern without them going into standard, like they did with conspiracy but not so.... hit and miss
December 8, 2014 4:31 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #15
I feel like "the collectors" are in part the LGSs who have invested thousands of dollars into inventory. If they lose thousands because their Underground Seas drop by 30-50% (see Polluted Delta) they'd be pissed/out of business.
December 8, 2014 4:32 p.m.
In a format designed to be drafted, you can't have the powerful cards at common. While I understand your sentiment NorthernRaven, you can't have cards like Tarmogoyf and/or Damnation at common. It will absolutely wreck the limited environment, and make the set as a whole suffer.
PLUS, you have to consider that Magic is not only a trading card game, but a collectible one as well. There have to be cards that are harder to acquire than others, in order to create demand. Hence why some people have gotten in a tizzy over the Mishra's Toy Workshop holiday promo and the Duel Deck: Anthologies.
December 8, 2014 4:37 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #17
Wait people are in a tizzy about the holiday promo and anthologies?
Wat.
December 8, 2014 4:40 p.m.
You know ultimately, if wizards printed boosters for longer before rotating sets they'd make more money from sets with a fantastic draft environment (like Khans), and the price of singles would go down.
Which is why I'm so against Wizards announced changes to standard. Sets being in standard for slightly less time will probably mean fewer singles in circulation which will probably mean higher prices. That's all just speculation, at this point. The take home message is that if more boosters are printed, more singles are available, if more singles are available they're worth a bit less.
December 8, 2014 4:54 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #21
So, this might have been mentioned in the 9 previous pages, but I just took a look at the spoiled Emrakul... Collector number '003'. Looks like some other Eldrazi in the set?
December 8, 2014 5:52 p.m.
Yeh, other colourless creatures I think - not necessarily eldrazi?
December 8, 2014 5:54 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #23
Searching Gatherer for Modern-legal colourless non-artifact, non-land cards (and ignoring the back faces of coloured DFCs) gives us three cards that would come before Emrakul in collector order
Given that the Artisan was recently reprinted in C14, I think my money would be on the other two. Of course, there's also a whole lot that would be in the numbers AFTER 3 as well. ;)
December 8, 2014 6:06 p.m.
@MindAblaze! To an extent that's true, but this is the risk they incur by keeping those status cards in stock. They're not forced to sell at that point if they expect them to rebound in the future, so it's only a virtual loss until they actually cash out. And the money that they may lose by poor speculation will be made up by the sheer volume of packs that they could sell of a print to demand MM2015 set.
December 8, 2014 6:11 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #25
But when customers see you don't have what they want in stock, or your prices haven't adjusted to reflect recent changes people go elsewhere.
That being said, fetchlands are a prime example of your second point. Hosting Khans draft is going to make your money back over time, and eventually the singles will go back up.
December 8, 2014 6:54 p.m.
I just bought a play set of Glimpse the Unthinkable, so it would be fitting it would get a reprint...
December 8, 2014 8:57 p.m.
Serum VisionsI know it's just a common but it's still 7 dollars (as of right now)!
December 8, 2014 8:58 p.m.
Dk_Donuts1 says... #28
Birthing pod here I come!!!! Now I may not need to drop $60+ Dollars on Noble Hierarch. Plus the fetch lands may drop $10 dollars, making it easier to make a less expensive modern deck mana case.
December 8, 2014 11:22 p.m.
JakeHarlow says... #29
Hmmm...I guess it's time to hold off on my Modern purchases for a minute. Happy about this for sure, but definitely not excited for my LGS to charge exorbitantly above MSRP for packs.
Does anybody know if the first Modern Masters was carried by retail stores like Wal Mart or Target during its print run?
December 9, 2014 12:05 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #30
You can play magic at target and Walmart? Better let TolarianCommunityCollege know
December 9, 2014 12:09 a.m.
@tyforthevenom: I'm pretty sure there are no DCI-sanctioned tournaments at Walmart. But you can buy some sealed product at Walmart and Target at MSRP.
December 9, 2014 12:19 a.m.
JakeHarlow says... #32
So far I see single packs of whatever is Standard, starter decks from the same, Duel Decks, Clash Packs, and Commander decks (both 2013 and 2014). I wonder if MMA 2015 will be carried at retail stores like these.
December 9, 2014 12:22 a.m.
It would be cool if they were. It would be even better if they thought they were normal boosters and sold them at $3.99.
December 9, 2014 12:39 a.m.
That wouldn't happen. Even if they have the boosters, the computer would identify the price when you check out.
I'm pretty pumped about this and I just got my play set of Daybreak Coronet. I definitely think second hand prices for magic should go down. All the bs elitist banter going about the cost of the game being higher being right is ridiculous. If you want to play something for the prestige the money you spent on it gives you then go play the Kentucky derby or something. This is a card game. We're going to be paying a premium to own something that hasn't been printed for a while sure. But there should be a way to ease that burden on new players backs or the game dies. Simple.
December 9, 2014 12:51 a.m.
Unfortunately wal-mart uses a 3rd party for their magic display...so that has virtually no chance of happening...though you're right that it would be awesome.
December 9, 2014 12:52 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #37
Yea MMA isn't going to show up in Walmart & Target. I see the 400$ preorder price and it's what I was expecting. Every where is going to gouge the hell out of these until they're sold out.
December 9, 2014 1:24 a.m.
SimicPower says... #39
So we know two of the following: Artisan of Kozilek, All Is Dust, or Eldrazi Conscription are confirmed. Neat.
December 9, 2014 1:38 a.m.
@tyforthevenom: Wow... I went full retard. Welp. Guess exams will do that to ya.
December 9, 2014 1:41 a.m.
Packs where I am are sold out (pre orders sold out) at $30 each. Boxes for over $400. Yay. Another debacle.
December 9, 2014 7:53 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #42
I have to trust that the Wizards Finance Dep't knows their job better than I do.
But it just seems to make sense that selling three times as much at half the price would make them far more money.. shrug
December 9, 2014 7:55 a.m.
That's true for nearly any business that deals in physical product.
If a Burger shop stocks 3 months worth of frozen beef at price X, planning to seek at price Y, and the price of beef drops by half... it's competitors, who are now buying at the lower price, may sell theirs for less. If that happens, the shop will either sell for less as well, taking a loss, or lose sales making an even larger loss to the business.
Alternatively, they could stock less but they run the risk of running out of beef before they can replenish their stock... in which case, they can't sell burgers and their operational costs make them lose money.
The risk and fluctuations for beef may be lower, but the concept is the same.
If SCG (as an example) stocks 20 rares at price X, planning to sell at price Y, and the demand for the card drops... it's competitors, who are now buying at the lower price, will be selling for less. If that happens, SCG will either sell for less as well, taking a loss, or lose sales making an even larger loss to the business.
Alternatively, they could stock less but they run the risk of running out of cards before they can replenish their stock... in which case, they can't sell those cards and their operational costs make them lose money.
The real difference here is that if a few cards drop, they can still recoup most of their costs by selling at a lower price, and the vast number of different cards means they keep making money overall.
December 9, 2014 7:59 a.m.
I wouldn't call it a debacle ChiefBell, just overhyped. Granted, after the success and limited run of MM2013, MM2015 would be highly sought after and highly valued. I'm not sure it's worth $400 a box, but I'm not surprised some people are trying to cash in on that sentiment.
December 9, 2014 8:17 a.m.
Named_Tawyny - actually they dont know what they're doing. Lots of studies into economics have suggested that shifting greater quantities of product at a lower price is more profitable than shifting smaller quantities of a higher priced product. A good case study is the way that the online gaming store Steam works, and looking at the revenues that companies get from that. It's been shown over the years that higher volume, lower priced is far better than lower volume, higher priced.
JWiley129 - I think they just need to stop overemphasising the whole 'limited print run' thing,m and actually regulate the market somewhat. A degree of consumer protection is actually a decent thing. There's markup and then there's exploitation.
December 9, 2014 8:31 a.m.
@Named_Tawyny&ChiefBell That is what is so baffling about this situation. The way they've implemented the Modern Masters series (and many of the other limited print run products) works against their bottom line. The only rational explanation I can come up with is that they're trying to keep demand outrageously high for future MM products.
December 9, 2014 9:22 a.m.
If it becomes a two-yearly thing then it should calm down.
December 9, 2014 9:26 a.m.
Another thing I read/heard ChiefBell is that MM2015 will be limited, but not nearly as limited as MM2013 was. So that should help alleviate some of the inflation as the release date comes closer.
December 9, 2014 10:40 a.m.
Yeh. This type of price gouging is generally considered unfair / bordering on illegal in certain specific situations, but honestly. Whatever happens, happens. There's nothing we can do and sometimes life works like that. You either buy the product or you don't.
APPLE01DOJ says... #1
NorthernRaven says... #6
"Okay, let me be honest. I JUST bought some Goblin Guides. What if they are reprinted very soon? Then I'll loose a lot of money."
Uhhh welcome to standard.... which despite what u said IMO is probably the most expensive of all formats. It may take u 2 years of saving dimes to buy that The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale but once u have it it's good. Unlike standard where cards are only expensive when they're new and relevant. How many people here had to fork up 40$ each for Nissa a few months ago? ...or needed 4x Voice of Resurgence last season... ...or had to pay 8-10$ for the crapfest known as Nightveil Specter when MBD became a thing...
If u paid 20$ for ur Guides each & they drop down to their 5$ price (which they were at for the longest time) it would essentially be the same as a standard rotation. 60$ loss isn't that bad. I feel bad for people who had to pay 240$ for a Thoughtseize playset before Thero's dropped.
December 8, 2014 12:49 p.m.