Modern Masters 2 (Confirmed)
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Posted on Dec. 7, 2014, 7:54 a.m. by JexInfinite
What do you think will be reprinted, excluding the obvious Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Etched Champion?
I'm speculating that Birthing Pod, Phyrexian Obliterator, Vendilion Clique and Cryptic Command will be seeing reprints, along with Zendikar fetches.
MindAblaze says... #2
@ Rayenous
My original point, which I seem to have lost sight of, is that "the collectors" who lose money on their investment are being protected by the reserve list. When SCG goes to sell the 66 revised Underground Seas they have in stock, if the market price has gone down to their cost due to a reprint they lose profit. For SCG their volume of sales is so high that it's not a big deal, that's the game they're in. The reserve list makes total sense for Joe's Games because Joe wants to be able to pay himself this week, and losing $100/card to a Underground Sea reprint is a swift kick in the nuts.
It makes me wonder if in the end Wizards is protecting the small stores while trying to push Modern by making stuff like Goyf and Bob go up in price, so those stores that have invested in them still hold Wizards in good faith. It's conspiracy theory, but still an interesting thought. Considering the stores buy on credit (likely) and Wizards gets paid when the product is shipped to those stores, continuing to allow them to gouge us on these "limited print runs" seems a little too laissez-faire to me.
December 9, 2014 1:32 p.m.
I doubt stores buy on credit, but apart from that I can see your 'conspiracy theory' actually being fairly reasonable.
December 9, 2014 1:40 p.m.
I don't blame the stores for mark ups. Limiting the supply throws the equilibrium point out of whack. That's where this needs to be addressed - WOTC's refusal to print to meet demand. If the LGSs were forced to sell at MSRP, supply would quickly dry up and only the first to arrive would be able to purchase the product (the true market rate would then emerge elsewhere (ebay, for example)). At least this way the stores are selling the packs off to the highest bidders. A price cap would do nothing but create shortages.
I know I'm not going to be a buyer at this price point
December 9, 2014 2:08 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #5
@ ChiefBell When I said "on credit" I guess what meant is on projected sales. I realize most times their bank accounts aren't empty, and they're not putting it on a credit card but rather ordering product and paying for it when they settle their accounts. Whenever that may be.
December 9, 2014 5:06 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #6
I hear you though jr, $400 for a box and $30/booster is ridiculous. Why even bother setting an MSRP?
December 9, 2014 5:08 p.m.
Blizzicane says... #7
So that stores have a starting price to triple it from. XP
December 9, 2014 5:14 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #8
I'm not entirely sure how people wanting to get into modern are going to be able to afford boosters at $30 a pop, and boxes at 200-300 dollars.
Who are they trying to target with this sort of thing?
December 9, 2014 5:18 p.m.
Hahaha. Yeh it's totally pointless and defeats the idea behind it. Or rather what Wizards claims the idea is.
Totally logical though - if you can afford $30 per booster then you can afford modern singles. If you can't then you're exactly the kind of person they SHOULD be aiming this towards haha.
December 9, 2014 5:21 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #10
They're targeting rich limited players, and LGSes.
The rich limited players will have a hell of a good time drafting MM2 (and cards will flow outwards from there).
Beyond that, I suspect that most packs will be opened by the LGSes (who get them at their wholesale prices) and sold off as singles.
That, and the occasional person who is having a good day and wants to splurge on something silly and pretty.
(NB: Exception - probably when it's first released (much as with Khans) there's a chance that the EV of a box may be higher than the $400 that the LGS is selling it for. People may also buy then. The smart ones will sell/trade immediately; others will be giddy at the value, hold for three months, and then see the value drop)
December 9, 2014 5:22 p.m.
Fleetwood-Mat says... #11
I don't understand why everyone seems to think that a card being reprinted in Modern Masters is going to drop in value. Dark Confidant and Vendilion Clique were both reprinted in the first Modern Masters set, it didn't lower the value of any of those cards AT ALL. First off, Modern Masters is an expensive set, meaning that you're only going to be buying it if you're hardcore into modern, and also it's a limited run, which means hard to find, which means some stores will also increase the price of the sealed product. So all of you who are looking to unload your modern staples in anticipation of being able to get it back through this set... all I gotta say is 'good luck!'
December 9, 2014 5:53 p.m.
Gorgosaurusrex says... #12
Fortunately my LGS sells products at MSRP (though they limit the amount each individual can purchase). I'll get there on release day to get my booster packs at MSRP just like I did with MMA and several FTV sets.
December 9, 2014 7:25 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #13
Fleetwood-Mat Except this isn't like MMA, with incredibly limited print runs. This will have more print runs, hopefully enough for each LGS to get at least a few boxes. This is also going to be right after the modern pro tour, which seems like a good play on Wizards' part.
December 9, 2014 8:58 p.m.
JexInfinite - PT Fate Reforged is the Modern one, and it's in February. PT Dragons of Tarkir is Standard, and it is closer to the date of MM2015. Just an FYI
December 9, 2014 9:29 p.m.
Hickorysbane says... #15
As for the not as limited thing they may just be experimenting to see how much they can print without shitting on the secondary market. It's true they don't make any money off it, but you also don't make money pissing off your customers. How I understand it that's why some mechanics kinda just suck, because wizards wasn't sure if upping it a little bit would completely break it. So they chose to err on the side of caution, but with something like this they can continuosly push it until they hit the limit because/if they plan on doing this regularly.
As for the reprints I want Noble Hierarch so badly. Like reprint it twelve times cause I want six of them. And there'll be riots in the streets if they don't reprint Damnation soon. Not being in FTV: Annihilation and with all the general hype and whatnot.
*Obligatory comment about a goyf reprint
December 9, 2014 10:06 p.m.
Hickorysbane says... #16
Did not realize I was talking about stuff from a page earlier...meh
December 9, 2014 10:08 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #17
You wanted goyf you got it Lhurgoyf confirmed common
December 10, 2014 2:24 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #18
I don't care how much this is, I'm getting some. Missed out on the last MM, so I'm not gonna make the same mistake again.
December 10, 2014 2:48 a.m.
HardenedScales says... #19
I actually want Vengevine to see a reprint. Possiby Coiling Oracle at uncommon.
December 10, 2014 7:42 a.m.
Pre-sells at triple the price? I would really be surprised if that pricing stuck. Think about it, MM the first can currently be had for double what it retailed at and it's out of print entirely. I wouldn't expect 30 dollar packs to stick around.
December 10, 2014 8:14 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #21
Every card over 100 should be printed as a common in this new set.
Every card over 50 should be printed as an uncommon in this new set.
Every card over 15 should be printed as a rare in this new set.
The power nine should be printed as mythics in this new set.
The print run should last ten years.
Copy and paste this if you believe the MTG Collector-Aristocracy should be destroyed this way.
December 10, 2014 11:10 a.m.
Schuesseled says... #22
Why does the pound sign not work, those numbers are in gbp.
December 10, 2014 11:10 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #24
During the announcement i tossed my wallet at wotc shouting "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!!"
December 10, 2014 11:35 a.m.
tyforthevenom - I do that at every set release, so this behavior is expected.
December 10, 2014 12:29 p.m.
Live to see Tarmogoyf but would they reprint it? Otherwise I'm happy with mean black cards like Griselbrand and Phyrexian Obliterator with new art.
December 10, 2014 12:35 p.m.
Love to see Tarmogoyf but would they reprint it? Otherwise I'm happy with mean black cards like Griselbrand and Phyrexian Obliterator with new art.
December 10, 2014 12:35 p.m.
Glimpse the Unthinkable and Lotus Cobra too :DAnyone know what price point will be? Regardless of price I'm definitely grabbing at least a half case.
December 10, 2014 12:39 p.m.
$400 box. $30 per pack. According to initial reports.
December 10, 2014 12:46 p.m.
Fleetwood-Mat says... #30
might see Scapeshift, Crucible of Worlds, Surgical Extraction, Glimpse the Unthinkable, Birthing Pod, Mindslaver... just to name a few that I personally think would fit well into the set.
December 10, 2014 12:46 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #31
Wizards makes no $$ whatsoever on the secondary market, so making limited print runs at a higher price when Magic is more popular than it has EVER been actually makes perfect business sense. I'm not saying that I like it, but if I were in their position; making the most popular trading card game in the world (pending analysis), I wouldn't fault me for trying out a new price point for a new product that's bound to be popular.
But let me point this out- There are only 24 packs per box, like in the 1st MM, and your odds of getting a mythic are the same. In normal 36 count boxes, you'd expect to get 3-5 mythics/box. You're only going to get 2-3 mythics per MM box if you're lucky. The new set is about the same size as the original MM, so only 15ish mythics and 53ish rares. The chances of you getting a specific mythic reprint in MM15 by cracking packs is very slim, so the real value of the set is going to be determined by the quality of the non-mythic rares (for those who are planning on buying boxes/packs). If I (like many people) already own most of the cards being offered by the new MM15 with the exception of a few chase mythics, you can bet I'm not buying into cracking packs and hoping for the best.
Also you can bet that the few chase mythics/rares will increase in price overall. Sword of Fire and Ice was only $20ish before MM13 came out, AEther Vial was only $10.... *insert goyf reasoning here.
December 10, 2014 1:18 p.m.
tyforthevenom says... #32
If a sword of x and y is printed it will likely be Sword of War and Peace because it's the only one without a reprint at all
December 10, 2014 1:51 p.m.
@GeminiSpartanX The thing is that only works if your goal is to limit the supply of MM2015 boosters. Printing to demand would drop the price (both secondary and MSRP) and let WotC move substantially more units. Either they're unsure that the demand is there to justify a large print run or they're trying to keep demand exceptionally high for future MM products.
December 10, 2014 3:07 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #34
@ jr92_2000- I believe they've said it will be a limited print run (correct me if I'm mistaken), although there will be more available then the 1st MM. Therefore I think that the same thing will happen for all of the chase rares in MM15 as happened in MM13. Wizards knows that they will move all the units that they print. It will be a popular set. Its not like the boxes will sit untouched due to lack of consumer interest. That and there will be sealed-product hoarders that will buy these limited boxes to sell for profit at a later date. I fully expect the prices of whatever chase cards that will come out will eventually increase in value after a short period of dropping off due to people anticipating a drop and selling out preemptively.
December 10, 2014 3:37 p.m.
@GeminiSpartanX You're correct on it being a limited print run. My point is that the only reason they can sell boosters profitably at that price is because of the print run being limited. If their goal was to maximize profits for this set, they'd print to demand at a lower MSRP.
December 10, 2014 4:06 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #37
WOTC benefits most when two things happen - i) they sell lots of product ii) that product is sold at or near MSRP
Having a limited print run makes i tough (but 'lots' is relative) but also makes (at the MSRP listed) ii a virtual impossibility.
December 10, 2014 4:21 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #39
what about Inquisition of Kozilek as an uncommon? a 5 dollar uncommon is a bit much.
December 11, 2014 3:13 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #41
asasinater13 5 dollars? That's cheap check the cost of Karakas an uncommon land from legends
December 11, 2014 6:05 a.m.
Path to Exile, Inquisition of Kozilek, Remand would all be fantastic uncommons to be included in the set. I know 2 of the three there have been reprinted fairly recently but in smaller offerings - decks, so I would hope they'd get the include here going forward.
A few more rares I would concur with reprinting would be Leyline of Sanctity, and Spellskite. Both are jus really nice cards I would be happy to get my hands on. I'll eventually plunk down the cash for the Leyline of Sanctity playset but it would be nice to get cards you WANT while buying packs for fun.
December 11, 2014 9:16 a.m.
Scratch that. ALL three have been recently reprinted. Dur
December 11, 2014 9:17 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #44
2 in the Modern Event deck and one in the Jace vs Vraska deck @jraynor
But yes, Path to Exile, Remand and Inquisition of Kozilek as well as hopefully Lightning Bolt and even more hopefully Serum Visions and Gitaxian Probe should be reprinted as they are very expensive for commons/uncommons.
December 11, 2014 9:20 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #45
As far as what I hope gets reprinted, Noble Hierarch, Crucible of Worlds, Spellskite, Zendikar fetches, Ravnica shocks with the original artwork, Daybreak Coronet, AEther Vial.
December 11, 2014 9:21 a.m.
tyforthevenom says... #46
Here's a mind f+ they could be planning... Last day of spoilers they suddenly unban Jace, The Mind Sculpter then spoil him
December 11, 2014 9:33 a.m.
@GeminiSpartanX I would be REALLY surprised if they reprinted the shocks. I mean I wouldn't be against it but the value of the cards is plenty reasonable right now. I think there are other lands that are in much higher a need of a reprint. Wait a year or two and the shocks will be at a premium again (for shocks) and then I can see them deciding to go ahead with a reprint. Right now, even with it being a limited print run, it feels premature.
Daybreak Coronet is indisputably a great choice. Only been printed once and is a major modern staple. I will be excited to see what they do there. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Hyena Umbra got a reprint here. For me, in the whole auras things, Keen Sense could sincerely use a reprint. It's modern but fairly narrow in use so I don't know if it's high on the list but here's hoping!
December 11, 2014 9:45 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #48
@ jraynor Oh I know. It's just wishful thinking on my part. They'll only print 1 cycle of rare lands in a set like this. It's true that Keen Sense could be reprinted here. They have been doing a good job of only reprinting the planar chaos color-shifted cards in special sets/decks. The only exception to that rule is Mesa Enchantress I believe.
December 11, 2014 10:04 a.m.
OmegaAura113 says... #49
Since we're on enchantments, you think Uril, The Mistalker is a possibility?
December 11, 2014 1:56 p.m.
Well, if Auras are a thing in the set, Rancor should be there... again, strengthening the idea that it could be supporting Infect and Zoo.
tyforthevenom says... #1
maybe we'll see some of them flample creatures
December 9, 2014 10:58 a.m.