Modern Masters 2015 Spoilers!
Spoilers, Rumors, and Speculation forum
Posted on May 3, 2015, 7:03 p.m. by JWiley129
Tomorrow, official spoilers for Modern Masters 2015 begin! So far we have officially spoiled:
- Tarmogoyf
- Karn Liberated
- Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
- Etched Champion
- Splinter Twin
- Spellskite
- Vendilion Clique
Remember you can find spoilers at mythicspoiler.com, mtgsalvation.com, and at wizards homepage.
No Serum Visions and no Inquisition of Kozilek makes me an unhappy Doro. I also feel like half of the rares are bad filler.
Mythics are all strong, but poor drafting quality, money bait.
No Gitaxian Probe kind of confuses me if only because of the inclusion of phyrexian mana.
May 8, 2015 4:24 p.m.
Oh jeez. I completely glazed over that there is no Blood Moon, christ...
May 8, 2015 4:28 p.m.
Man, you guys want EVERYTHING don't you? For the love of all that is holy, WotC isn't going to put in EVERY SINGLE STAPLE EVER into one set because "people want it".
Blood Moon has had literally every single reprint known to man. Serum Visions is a great card, but guess what? There are other "great" cards for blue. I mean come on, it's one of the most dominant colors in the game. Goblin Guide will probably show up in BfZ.
Learn to appreciate what you ARE getting, rather than cringing over what ISN'T there.
I for one am getting a box. I think this set is just what I need to get into Modern, and I see a LOT of awesome cards here, whether they're modern staples or not. I got into MTG with a lot of these cards, so I'm stoked.
May 8, 2015 4:34 p.m.
OK, let's reassess possible themes.
Tokens
Metalcraft
-1/-1 Counters? (Maybe?)
Aggro
Ramp
If they were trying to do Auras here, they failed, but I think that's what they were going for.
Spirits
Tokens
+1/+1 Counters
Control (I'd say Delver, but no Delver. I'd say Twin, but no Exarch or Pestermite.)
Elementals
Alright, I think that's it. Also, Evolving Wilds REALLY pissed me off.
May 8, 2015 4:39 p.m.
@Dorotheus: Yeah I feel like they really dropped the ball on rares. The mythics are all good (except maybe Comet Storm), but mother of Garfield are the rares shit. We have what? Spellskite, Fulminator Mage, Cryptic Command, and Noble Hierarch? No Blood Moon, no Inkmoth Nexus, no Goblin Guide.
@Runlue: The issue isn't about me getting everything. I already have my Dark Confidants, Karn Liberated, etc. The issue is new players wanting to get into the format with cheaper decks like RDW, Delver, and Infect. Without a Blood Moon reprint, a lot of the "budget" decks in Modern will stay at $150+. With a reprint, these decks could be more affordable and/or available for less than that.
Let's not forget these are $10 a pack. If you're a new player looking to dive into Modern, buying packs of MM2 is worse than buying Theros packs. It's "open a mythic or you're out $8."
May 8, 2015 4:41 p.m.
This was one of my issues that a lot of people called 'bullshit' on but I will reiterate. This is NOT a set that is going to pass it's intended objective of significantly lowering the barrier of entry to modern for NEW players.
May 8, 2015 4:42 p.m.
This set isn't even for new players; if it was, there wouldn't be so many different mechanics. They'd also probably print new cards with old, simpler mechanics, much like they do in Core Sets.
May 8, 2015 4:45 p.m.
Also, no GG? That's odd. I was totally expecting it, not even because of the leak.
May 8, 2015 4:46 p.m.
There's a difference between a new player and a new modern player.
May 8, 2015 4:49 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #13
I just say the uncommon and commons and I have to say I wanna play the draft. There's super good stuff in the set, I saw a bunch of things that will make you guys raise the roof! Lol take a look guys
May 8, 2015 4:51 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #15
I don't think lowering the barrier to entry is necessarily the fully intended objective ChiefBell. I don't think WOTC necessarily has an interest in new players being able to easily craft a Tier 1 deck. I think they want to make adjustments to availability over time, while also introducing Modern to new players by creating a fun draft environment and allowing new players an opportunity to collect and become familiar with staples of the format.
Its a balancing act, but their primary objective is making money. With the avg price per pack being more than MSRP, I find it difficult to complain.
May 8, 2015 4:53 p.m.
Because of that, I think it would lead us to make the assumption that mm2016 is more possible now.
May 8, 2015 4:55 p.m.
There's a great deal of chaff in the common and uncommon section with the vast majority of them not even being t2 suitable. There's a large difference between realising that not every card can be a staple and identifying that the vast majority of cards are just suboptimal.
May 8, 2015 4:55 p.m.
IndepenentMeta Yeah, from a draft perspective, I'm actually REALLY liking the commons and uncommons. Once all the cards are in the database, I REALLY wanna draft sim them.
May 8, 2015 4:56 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #19
Dorotheus Perhaps. Rosewater mentioned that the Lead Designer on MM2015 was disappointed with the design experience on this, his first rodeo as Lead Designer due to the limitation of being able to only draw from existing cards.
May 8, 2015 4:56 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #20
If their plan is to do this every two years, they're going to be printing a whole bunch of suboptimal cards at common and uncommon otherwise they would just be reprinting the same cards over and over again every MM. That wouldn't be much of a product for them.
May 8, 2015 4:59 p.m.
Haha yeah well this bears the phrase 'start as you mean to go on'. It means that if you start poorly then people will expect the rest to be poor as well; whereas if you do the opposite then people are much more likely to be drawn in.
I mean honestly. How many of the commons are commonly played in modern if you count them? I haven't yet. 5? Less than 5?
May 8, 2015 5:01 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #23
Also can we take a minute to appreciate how awesome Mystic Snake looks with a modern frame? I love it.
May 8, 2015 5:02 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #24
From MTGGoldfish's list of top 50 most played modern cards
That is a lot of sideboard cards. And it also doesn't feel like goldfish is getting their data from the right places.
May 8, 2015 5:07 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #25
We have to remember this set is not under the same circumstances as the first modern masters, also I've read it'll have between 4-10x the print run, assuming it'll more likely be 4x. Then assuming that majority of boxes are at events, that will guarantee packs opened and not just hoarded boxes, this will have more of an impact than the first modern masters on prices.
May 8, 2015 5:07 p.m.
Almost none of the cards you listed are in the set hummingbird......
And I disagree with the above. Giving packs out as prizes is a poor way to ensure the cards make it into real modern decks. Now we have hoarders and random standard players being handed these as prizes. I think it may be worse.
May 8, 2015 5:10 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #27
ChiefBell I think you're looking at this from the perspective of an established Modern player though. The MTG player looking to get into Modern is not going to be well-versed enough to know or even really care how viable the commons or uncommons are in constructed. It's really only meant to be a spark of interest for those players of "Hey, these are the cool things you can do in Modern."
For the established player, we're meant to be happy about the reprints that will knock down prices for staples that we may be trying to either collect or acquire for new decks we want to construct. We're in for the long haul anyway, but we're going to be naturally difficult if impossible to fully please with ANY release.
May 8, 2015 5:10 p.m.
Eh. I see that it instills the fun of modern. But giving a new player a few serum visions or something would also be nice AND instill the fun of modern.
What I expected this set to do was to give new modern players maybe 20 to 30 commons and uncommons thay were awesome to draft and could make a little fun tier 2 deck for constructed. Kill 2 birds with one stone. Not going to crash the market. Not going to annoy collectors but going to allow these new guys to rock up to fnm with say.... a delver deck thats a but bad but has some nice cantrips and bolts. Fun and useful for the future. What I feel we have is immediate fun but very limited use for the future.
May 8, 2015 5:14 p.m.
WovenNebula says... #29
If anyone is getting boxes the prices on pre orders are dropping. Star city has their boxes at 249.00 now.
May 8, 2015 5:15 p.m.
UrbanAnathema says... #30
I don't disagree with that sentiment Chief, and I don't even think that it would have been impossible for them to do. I just don't think they're really incentivized to do that, as they want people to buy more cards. It's simply a better approach for them to give nice pieces at Rare and Mythic and a few at Uncommon, with everything else being suboptimal for Constructed if they really plan on having this be an ongoing product.
I really DO agree with you as well that Serum Visions should have definitely seen a reprint as it BADLY needs one.
May 8, 2015 5:23 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #31
Idk what this nigga is talking bout I made my whole deck out of prize packs lol
May 8, 2015 6:07 p.m.
Yeah, you probably did. You have a peculiar understanding of the modern metagame though.
May 8, 2015 6:11 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #33
The modern meta game from what I've seen is mostly made up of abzan aggro, temur aggro, splinter twin, some controlish decks, storm, scape shift, and I think I've seen two events with elvish on the leader boards. Is there any deck I missed?
May 8, 2015 6:14 p.m.
Abzan control is more popular than Abzan aggro.
Temur is not a deck in modern.
Splinter Twin is a key contender.
Control isn't really represented at all except by Twin, and to a lesser extent Delver.
Storm is not a large, important deck.
Scapeshift is though.
Yeah you missed Burn/RDW which is MASSIVE. Affinity, Tron, Merfolk, Bloom, Infect, Jund, Gifts.
May 8, 2015 6:18 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #37
And even then I've ran most of those other decks. Sooo I do know what the meta game is in modern...
May 8, 2015 6:25 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #38
Bass on your recent comments, allow me to seriously doubt that.
May 8, 2015 6:28 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #39
There was an scg not too long ago where the guy topped with temur aggro. The dude was running Vendilion Clique Tarmogoyf Snapcaster Mage Lightning Bolt n some other junk.
May 8, 2015 6:31 p.m.
Yeah...you just said temur is a deck in modern so I find it hard to believe that you know what your talking about.
May 8, 2015 6:31 p.m.
But then again I suppose,I'm just feeding the troll right?
May 8, 2015 6:32 p.m.
IndepenentMeta says... #43
Tarmotwin uses GRU colors no? And no the guys on mtgtop 8 called it temur aggro
May 8, 2015 6:33 p.m.
That is tarmotwin. It's a twin deck. It's not hugely popular.
May 8, 2015 6:34 p.m.
Eh. I mean it exists but it really is not popular in the slightest (at the moment). It hasn't been seen in any big way for a fair period of time.
May 8, 2015 6:37 p.m.
Let's put it this way - you wouldn't consider tarmotwin as a likely matchup when you designed your own deck.
May 8, 2015 6:38 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #49
Yipee. You obviously have not seen what happens when JC get to 200 pages.
May 8, 2015 6:42 p.m.
Rayenous 6tennis:I just did the Elemental count. I am going to count the duel colored cards in each respective color (Not including the Horde of Notions). It goes: 0, 7, 4, 9, and 3.
Seeing that has no Elementals, I personaly wouldn't run Horde of Notions unless I am running 2+ Smokebraider. Same goes for I think, seeing that 2 or the 4 Elementals are anyway.
Also, there is only 3 Elementals, and only one which I would be excited to play, Wolfbriar Elemental. That being said, I am pretty sure Elementals is going to be . Smokebraider, and other mana fixing will give us the other colors if we really need it. That would also take Sunburst out of the mix, most of the time... I personally think that it is a weak mechanic..
ABadMagicPlayer100 says... #1
@NuBByThuMB - the new sets only go on the draft sim after the set is released in paper.
May 8, 2015 4:19 p.m.