Modern Masters 2015 Spoilers!
Spoilers, Rumors, and Speculation forum
Posted on May 3, 2015, 7:03 p.m. by JWiley129
Tomorrow, official spoilers for Modern Masters 2015 begin! So far we have officially spoiled:
- Tarmogoyf
- Karn Liberated
- Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
- Etched Champion
- Splinter Twin
- Spellskite
- Vendilion Clique
Remember you can find spoilers at mythicspoiler.com, mtgsalvation.com, and at wizards homepage.
HolyFalcon says... #2
smackjack: my mind can't comprehend cardboard boosters...whats next? recyclable/cardboard sleeves?
May 9, 2015 6:11 p.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #3
Why do the boosters and boxes only read "Magic" and no "the Gathering"? I'm uncertain if I like that.
May 9, 2015 6:57 p.m.
buildingadeck says... #5
It's also much more likely to yield cards with nicks on them.
May 10, 2015 1:42 a.m.
BlastercoolWeird says... #7
overall my opinion on the set is that it feels...unfinished, or maybe split between two conflicting sides.
The limited environment is designed to allow much more overlap in archetypes but a lot of the most powerful cards are stranded in this limited environment; not given the support they need to shine or even function
The three eldrazi titans are in the set but there isn't actually enough ramp to feasibly cast them, Daybreak Coronet is printed with only two other auras that don't lock down your creature, Splinter Twin and Goblin War Paint. Splinter Twin and Kiki-Jiki are printed but not without the other half of the combo. In addition to the titans there's Iona, Shield of Emeria AND Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, classic reanimator targets in a set with ZERO reanimation spells.
Important modern staples are left out for the sake of a limited environment that is less fun because the most powerful and exciting cards aren't actually very good in it.
You're paying 10$ a set where half the rares are worth less than a dollar and the limited environment is a disorganized hodge-podge.
May 10, 2015 10:35 a.m.
On the limited enivornment... I think it's secretly a MUD set where you're encouraged to stay open with your first few picks and then move in on a color. There are a lot of good artifacts, some good hybrid, domain, and some phyrexian mana cards.
Unfortunately most of the rares are complete limited bombs (or valuable) so that may not be the case.
May 10, 2015 12:15 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #10
opnened 6 packs:
mystic snake
tarmogoyf
primeval titan
remand
mana leak x2
vapor snag x2
If only that was real :)
May 10, 2015 9:28 p.m.
Can I just point out, on the point of Twin, what this guy said at first about twin:
Splinter Twin, $0.75 - Stable
There once was a card good in limited, But in constructed it I got nothing. Bulk.
To be fair, this was pre-combo, but still.
P.S: TWIN AT SEVENTY-FIVE CENTS?! WT*???
May 10, 2015 9:29 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #12
you want to see something HILARIOUS? find the mtgsalvation thread where treasure cruise was spoiled and find all the people saying it would be too pricey for limited, constructed playable as a one of in standard, and too slow for modern and legacy.
May 10, 2015 9:32 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #14
"This is either unplayable jank or one of the most broken cards ever printed."
"If it were instant this would definitely be playable in modern/legacy as a one or maybe two of in a lot of decks. As a sorcery it's a little more iffy. It might be worth it, it might not. In standard I could definitely see control or even some jeskai tempo deck run 2 of these as the only delve card. Exile all the other instants and sorceries you've played to draw 3 for U is pretty nice."
"this card is so awful in your opening hand in modern its offensive. you'll be dead before you can play it. thirst for knowledge is always 3 for 3 at instant speed"
"Unplayable jank! Visions of Beyond is more playable than this!"
All this people saying it shrinks your goyf. Would you rather have a beatstick or a goddamn P9?
May 10, 2015 10:32 p.m.
just goes to show what the community has devolved into when more than half of the players netdeck and listen to "expert" opinions rather than brew their own.
recent exercise of this: remember the Tasigur, the Golden Fang haters when it was spoiled? lol
May 11, 2015 1:28 a.m.
Pulling a MM2 sealed pool made me happier than it should've.
Karn Liberated, nice, great in limited as well.
Noble Hierarch, expensive, decent in limited.
FOIL Evolving Wilds, only 16 more to go!
Guile, not excited, I'd probably play him in EDH though.
Surrakar Spellblade, I love this guy, I'd probably slot him into an EDH deck instantly.
Wildfire, new art, but I don't think I'll ever be excited about this card.
FOIL Smash to Smithereens, not as many people sideboard this as I would like, so it might not actually be worth anything, but still quite cool.
FOIL Tribal Flames, might not be money, but is sweet as hell.
Dimir Guildmage, just that, but I love him.
Blinkmoth Nexus, priced decently, I'd move it as soon as possible.
Can't wait to get MM2 up on TO to draft, I'm going to at least one MM2 draft and want to make sure I'm prepared to rare draft everything save Wildfire.
May 11, 2015 8:48 a.m.
So, I opened 10 simulated boxes...
Average box value was $427.10
Average pack value was $17.80
Highest box value was $573
Lowest box value was $184
Number of boxes lower than cost = 3 (2 if you go by the before tax value of the box)
Highest Value card = Tarmogoyf (once) = ~$200
Highest value Foil = Dark Confidant = ~$175
Second highest value Foil = Kozilek, Butcher of Truth = ~$120
(all based on my previously recorded vales... I haven't checked for most recent prices, except for foils)
This is about what I would expect, as previous calculations showed average pack value (before foils) to be more than $14.
Problem being that there is a risk of low value in any given box/pack... so to have a greater chance of getting the estimated average value you could end up having to spend a lot of $$$. (on the other hand, you could open one pack and end up with $600+ value)
May 11, 2015 3:32 p.m.
I made a similar simulation today. I opened 16 boxes and removed the 2 best and 2 worst results. Average price was 307 EUR which is quite high. Only 2 boxes of the 12 were under 200 EUR. One box was kinda screwed 2 foil goyf and stuff, so I figured it would be best to remove the 2 best and 2 worst results.
May 11, 2015 4:18 p.m.
Wow. First box I try this on had 4x wildfire. This is gonna be a long night
May 11, 2015 4:39 p.m.
I seem to have awesome luck when it comes to simulation pack openings, but then it gets horrible once I go into the real world.
Foiled Kiki-Jiki right off the bat. Heck ya.
May 11, 2015 5:02 p.m.
I'm somewhat impatient, and ETA on when we can draft this monster?
May 11, 2015 5:38 p.m.
HolyFalcon says... #27
Runlue ty, literally went up to Comment #1062 before asking XD
May 11, 2015 5:51 p.m.
HolyFalcon says... #29
Cracked a box. Got a Tarmogoyf, Iona, Shield of Emeria, EIGHT Thrummingbirds, one foiled, Vendilion Clique, Cryptic Command, Hurkyl's Recall times two, Splinter Twin, FOIL Lightning Bolt, Noble Hierarch, Wilt-Leaf Liege times two, Blinkmoth Nexus, FOIL Simic Growth Chamber, and FOIL Izzet Boilerworks.
If only I was that lucky IRL...
May 11, 2015 5:59 p.m.
I just opened a box and got a Noble Hierarch, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, FOIL All Is Dust, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Daybreak Coronet, Mirran Crusader, Cryptic Command, Hurkyl's Recall, Hellkite Charger, Fulminator Mage, Creakwood Liege, Apocalypse Hydra, Etched Champion, ANDDDDDD.....
You guys ready for this?...
THREE Dark Confidant'S. BOOSH
May 11, 2015 6:05 p.m.
Man I have the best luck ever on here.
Watch me go get a box and come back with 36 Wildfire's. I literally have the worst luck ever sometimes.
May 11, 2015 6:06 p.m.
HolyFalcon says... #33
CRacked another, Kozilek, Ulamog, Iona, Tezzeret, Dark Confidant, FOIL COMET STORM, Goyf, Hurkyl's Recall, FOIL IZZET BOILERWORKS, and
May 11, 2015 6:08 p.m.
ducttapedeckbox says... #34
I just opened fourteen Skyreach Mantas from a box. I win.
May 11, 2015 6:09 p.m.
The new art on Wildfire is sweet and all, but it has to be one of the biggest fails I have ever seen. I'm not even happy to draft Wildfire, and if the card isn't ridiculously priced, it's safe to assume it's some sort of draft bomb, while Wildfire is neither.
May 11, 2015 6:09 p.m.
lemmingllama says... #36
I'm pretty sure that they boxes I've been pulling from the simulator will never actually happen in real life. Every box I've opened has an Iona, Shield of Emeria in it, and also I got a box with 3 Dark Confidants and 4 Cryptic Commands. If only...
May 11, 2015 6:14 p.m.
HolyFalcon says... #37
I'm buying uno pack, so wish me luck on Goyf. This kid I know bought a Conspiracy pack, packed a Dack Fayden, bought a MMA pack, and packed a Goyf. True Story.
May 11, 2015 6:20 p.m.
I just opened a box with 6 Gnarlid Packs, 6 Matca Rioters, and 6 Kozilek's Predators. Luck.
May 11, 2015 6:23 p.m.
Runlue whoa, whoa, whoa, we can't publicly state that we're going to kill anyone over a goyf. That person has to misteriously disappear and credit those magic cards to you in their will.
May 11, 2015 6:23 p.m.
HolyFalcon says... #41
Don't worry, it was sold :D
No one I know is dying today!
May 11, 2015 6:25 p.m.
slovakattack says... #42
Magicrafter: Maybe yes, maybe no. I just pulled a goyf today :D
May 11, 2015 6:28 p.m.
Magicrafter Wait, so someone you DON'T know is dying today?
Cool.
May 11, 2015 6:29 p.m.
HolyFalcon says... #44
slovakattack: Grats! I wonder how that feels, pulling a Goyf...
May 11, 2015 6:31 p.m.
I always thought "pulling a goyf" meant having a bigger butt than front.
May 11, 2015 6:40 p.m.
Ghostkitten2 says... #46
just "opened" a box and pulled a:Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
foil Vendilion Clique
foil Primeval Titan
if only my luck was this good in real life :D
May 11, 2015 6:40 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird says... #47
I've now opened a shit load of packs and decided I'm NOT going to buy any. Sure, I've opened a goyf, a few eldrazi, a foil bob, a half dozen cryptic commands, and a handful of bolts and remands, but mostly I've gotten terrible cards.
Who am I kidding. I'll still buy one just for the thought of "what if it is a goyf???"
May 11, 2015 6:57 p.m.
Serendipitous_Hummingbird I did that with MM1, Countryside Crusher and foil Cenn's Enlistment, I also got an Electrolyze and Street Wraith, so you know it's not all in the rares.
May 11, 2015 7:17 p.m.
Can anyone tell me when the tokens will be in stock (Not just SCG, but other sites too)? I want the Thrull token and I felt that it should have been available by now.
May 11, 2015 7:28 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #50
The tokens won't be available until after the set releases.
ChiefBell says... #1
Confirmation on twitter that serum visions is not being banned they just didn't want to print it because 'it would be the only card in the set with scry'
Riiiiiight
May 9, 2015 5:50 p.m.