Modern Masters 2015 Spoilers!
Spoilers, Rumors, and Speculation forum
Posted on May 3, 2015, 7:03 p.m. by JWiley129
Tomorrow, official spoilers for Modern Masters 2015 begin! So far we have officially spoiled:
- Tarmogoyf
- Karn Liberated
- Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
- Etched Champion
- Splinter Twin
- Spellskite
- Vendilion Clique
Remember you can find spoilers at mythicspoiler.com, mtgsalvation.com, and at wizards homepage.
The FNM promo for June (July?) is PtE. It's not for Tempest. It's not for Standard. It's for MM2.
(Actually, it COULD be for Magic Origins, but I doubt it.)
May 6, 2015 12:30 a.m.
SimicPower says... #3
"In celebration of Modern Masters 2015 Edition, both July and August FNM promos will be Modern staples." From the announcement. I'm pretty sure I remember Mark Rosewater saying that the cards weren't necessarily going to be in Modern Masters, but I couldn't find the post, so I could be misremembering.
May 6, 2015 12:39 a.m.
That makes sense.
WHAT?! THE HELL IS THIS?!
There have been 2 Phyrexian mana cards so far. It seems we have our 3rd mechanic.
May 6, 2015 12:43 a.m.
SimicPower says... #6
What qualifies as a mechanic in this set? We saw sunburst on Etched Oracle, exalted on Noble Hierarch etc. Also Fear on Shadowmage Infiltrator if that counts.
All of this alongside Phyrexian mana, metalcraft and bloodthirst.
I hope we see scry. Well, at least one card with scry. Preferably at common. With a low CMC. Please.
May 6, 2015 12:49 a.m.
I've COMPLETELY passed over most of those mechanics. Shitshitshitshitshit.
Time to go do ANOTHER statistics update.
May 6, 2015 12:56 a.m.
You all should check that out, by the way. Here. It's just a GIANT compilation of themes, mechanics, sideboard staples, rarity changes, average color frequencies, possible Draft archetypes, and what not.
May 6, 2015 1:02 a.m.
Yoshi400x7 says... #9
Surgical Extraction and Dispatch have just been spoiled.
May 6, 2015 1:36 a.m.
buildingadeck says... #11
So what's everyone's favorite spoiled card so far?
I love Spellskite for it's versatility, especially in the burn match-up. So for cards I'd like to add to my deck, it wins. For pure admiration and love of the card, it's gotta be Karn Liberated. First of all, Karn has a great storyline. Secondly, the card just has such good flavor, and it's incredibly fun to ult.
May 6, 2015 2:12 a.m.
SimicPower says... #12
Cryptic Command or All Is Dust. I want my Commander staples!
May 6, 2015 2:17 a.m.
My favorite card spoiled is Goblin Fireslinger
+Jeskai Ascendancy +Fatestitchers +an entire deck of 0/1 mana Storm cards, and you have yourself a deck!
May 6, 2015 4:37 a.m.
WHARBLGARBLGARBLGARBLGARBLGARBLGARBL
Horde of Notions CONFIRMED
May 6, 2015 5:21 a.m.
May 6, 2015 6:19 a.m.
Looking forward to Noble Hierarch so I can finally put together a working Infect deck... That, or KITTY SPARKLES for Bogles.
When Karn was first spoiled, I thought that would be it for me. Damn, this set is pretty good, a few limited rares aside.
May 6, 2015 6:21 a.m.
LIEGE!
Yes.
Needed a reprint for ages...
EDH reprint and limited drafting? I love the Horde, so I might be biased.
May 6, 2015 7:20 a.m.
Creakwood Liege <3 <3 <3
The card that got me into BG/x attrition.
May 6, 2015 7:31 a.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #22
Meh, Nexus is pretty good. I could live with Liege too. But Horde just sucks. Plain old bad.
May 6, 2015 7:36 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #23
So, with Dispatch spoiled, I think this increases the chances of Path to Exile being in Origins. Excited for that. =)
Also, really hoping that the rest of the Liege cycle is in there; need some Wilt-Leaf Lieges for my hatebears.
May 6, 2015 7:50 a.m.
I doubt path is in Origins as it's a bit too strong for Standard. That said in happy with these early morning spoilers! Dispatch is a great card for the 
metalcraft deck. Horde is a causal favorite and Creakwood Liege is a great card for the 
tokens deck.
May 6, 2015 7:57 a.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #25
I would love the Simic Liege. Not that it was expensive or anything, I just don't have it.
May 6, 2015 8:10 a.m.
Murkfiend Liege? He's been reprinted a bunch, and we don't know what the 
theme is yet, but he could be an option to reprint.
May 6, 2015 8:18 a.m.
@JWiley129 - Path to Exile may not be too strong for Standard once BfZ is released... with Landfall being a likely mechanic, it would mean that using Path can be of a large benefit for your opponent...
Though I do still doubt that it will see a Standard reprint any time soon... just something to consider.
May 6, 2015 8:18 a.m.
I'm hoping for a Serum Visions reprint at uncommon. That card should not be so expensive.
May 6, 2015 8:23 a.m.
I think what WOTC does here is very dangerous. On the one hand they reprint format staples that are way too expensive and try to regulate the secondary market. On the other hand they claim that MM2015 is a "Draft-Set". So Leyline of Sanctity, Fulminator Mage or Emrakul, the Aeons Torn are sure great to open in draft, right? Imho WOTC should cut the "this is a draft-set crap" and say what MM2015 actually is all about: regulating the secondary market. From what we've seen so far it will be a poor set to draft with so many constructed staples that are almost useless in draft. So the drafters won't be happy. The wide modern player base who hopes to crack some value out of the packs will be most dissappointed if they open a Etched Monstrosity or Shadowmage Infiltrator.
I really hope that WOTC balances this good, but from what we've seen so far MM2015 will be a major hit for WOTC financewise, but most players won't be satisfied.
May 6, 2015 8:26 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #30
Putrefy Fulminator Mage can hit all those sweet lands which will surely be spoiled. WWK manlands please. I'm also expecting Goryo's Vengeance and other reanimation spells to be included.
All of these 'unplayable' draft cards are actually reasonably playable. Artifacts and metalcraft is a thing. It's a draft archetype. And since Hurkyl's Recall is also in the set, you can draft a win-against-articats card. Horde of Nations and Leyline of Sanctity are the only bad draft cards spoiled so far.
May 6, 2015 8:31 a.m.
JexInfinite, I'm not sure if burn/storm will be an archetype like the last MM, but Leyline of Sanctity sees HUGE modern play, so including it is a necessity. Furthermore, through Etched Monstrosity, All Suns' Dawn and Horde of Notions, they want the 5 color deck to be a thing, I'm interested to see how the archetype turns out, as in: What lands will we get? What commons and uncommons hold the deck together? Will it have synergies?
I'll hope for Vivids again, looking for at least Fusion Elemental, I love that card, and Horde of Notions seems like the only card that runs on synergy.
May 6, 2015 8:39 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #33
kameenook From a pure draft perspective, Leyline of Sanctity is bad. From the person drafting, Leyline is awesome, because it pays for the packs.
5 colour good stuff will probably be playable, and All Suns' Dawn looks like it will fit into multiple archetypes.
May 6, 2015 8:44 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #34
I do agree with the statement that they're doing it wrong, though. A draftable set is good, but they need to prioritise the health of the format, which would be to have a large print run, rather than the small-ish one that it is.
But guys, no cycle of mythic dragons that nobody wanted! (I hope.)
May 6, 2015 8:45 a.m.
Putrefy - that is a bold claim to make when we've barely seen a quarter of the set. Let's hold that judgment until the entire set is spoiled on Friday and people, this is the most important part, play with the set.
May 6, 2015 8:52 a.m.
Because it's easy to gauge the health of a draft format when ~50/249 cards have been spoiled. There are always cards in a set that are bad in draft, but good in constructed.
It's a fine line that Wizards is trying to walk. They're trying to make a set that's draftable while also including cards to the secondary market to (hopefully) lower the cost of entry into Modern.
May 6, 2015 8:53 a.m.
I'm not sure why a few possibly (we don't know yet) un-draftable cards in MM2015 is so upsetting or discouraging.
Every set I've ever drafted has had rares and mythics that were just utter garbage. - At least in MM2015 much of the draft-garbage is of some value.
Modern Masters is meant to draw newer players into Modern... the very thought of possibly playing some of these un-draftable cards is entertaining for some new players... even if they lose, they will enjoy getting the change to play a Horde of Notions or Etched Monstrosity. - And while that's happening, they will be picking up other cards that they may/will need for future Modern games.
May 6, 2015 8:53 a.m.
putrThere is no better draft format than MM2015. If you get a Mox Opal p1p1, but see no other metalcraft themed cards, you are left with 1 unplayable card at the end of the draft and 40 or so other cards to build a deck with.
Think of it as a draft format where the mythic/rare is a 20 dollar bill instead of a card, yet there are still 14 other perfectly playable cards afterwards.
Wizards will NEVER do a 15 assorted modern staples pack. They make a gaming product primarily, a product that can have many uses. Also, if you are person with 3 binder pages full dark confidants and you see wizards release it as a common in MM3, how would you feel? There will NEVER be a product released by Wizards that will fully satisfy you - everybody has different needs.
May 6, 2015 8:54 a.m.
Boza - Why not split the two? You are right no wizards product will satisfy everyone. So why not produce a draft friendly product and a reprint / value friendly product.
This isn't a binary. It is possible to do both. I am not saying they both have to be packs or whatever, they could pursue a variety of different options. From the vaults for modern staples, Precons, etc.
There are ways to solve this without necessarily blowing the entire argument out of the water.
May 6, 2015 9:03 a.m.
ChiefBell - Because Wizards doesn't have the resources to do both at the same time. This way they make a product that people will buy because they are looking for staples AND one that people not interested in Modern can still pick up because they can draft it. It's the main reason the first Modern Masters did so well, not just because it put more copies of certain cards in the world, but because it was a fun and interesting draft environment.
May 6, 2015 9:08 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #41
Guys, commons and uncommons are much more important to drafting than the rares and mythics. Currently we have mainly cheap removal and efficient creatures, and it's shaping up to be a decent draft environment with different archetypes. Even if your Fulminator Mage is simply a Gray Ogre, you can still have a good time killing them with a Cranial Plating equipped to a Rusted Relic
May 6, 2015 9:14 a.m.
Doesn't have the resources?.....
I understand that MM achieves. I do not understand why a separation of interests would be impossible.
May 6, 2015 9:15 a.m.
I will say that I think they may have done one thing wrong.
While nice to have a draft able set with Modern staples, having this many Modern value staples will likely lower the draft-ability.
Not because of "un-draftable" cards, but because of a high MSRP... $10/pack MSRP (possibly retailing higher), means that entry to a draft will likely be $40, $50, even $60... - Not many players, Modern players or draft enthusiasts, will be willing to pay that more than once, if that.
May 6, 2015 9:16 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #44
I think you hit the nail on the head, Rayenous. I'm a limited player at heart - this set is (at least in theory) designed for people like me.
I'm definitely going to be spending the $50 to draft it... once. After that? I'm not too sure - that's a month of drafting DTK or Origins for the same price. I suspect I won't be the only person who thinks like that either.
If the drafters can't afford to draft, and the Modern constructed players would rather just buy cards as singles...
May 6, 2015 9:23 a.m.
Then would you not just have a modern set that was designed for drafting? Instead of one that tries to do two things?
Brings me back to the original point....
May 6, 2015 9:38 a.m.
ChiefBell - Why make two products when you can make one? It's a simple marketing problem. They can't just release a box that says "Modern Staples" it would make most collectors angry, so why not do what they do best and release a booster pack product? This way they can put Modern Staples into the hands of the masses AND design it with draft in mind so those who just want to draft the set can!
Named_Tawyny - I don't know if you play on MTGO, but they are going to have Phantom events where you can draft the set as much as you want! ON the condition you go 2-1 so you can get enough phantom points to draft again.
May 6, 2015 9:41 a.m.
Ok so you've moved from 'they physically can't' to 'an abstract group of people that I haven't questioned might be annoyed'.
May 6, 2015 9:47 a.m.
Wildfire spoiled. Yay I guess. Another card that sees no play.
May 6, 2015 9:47 a.m.
MM1 was designed to do two things, and it seemed to work quite nicely, so we know it can be done. - There should be no need to split the two, and thus force people who want both to buy two products, while segregating those in groups how only want one or the other.
This set may have the same intent behind the design of MM1, but I feel they may have (knowingly) 'pushed' the value cards a little too much.
When MM1 was released the pack price quickly jumped to $10-$12. This caused reduced drafting.
Setting MSRP to start at $10 seems like they expect the same reduction in draft and decided to simply start from there.
Make it more appealing to those needing the staples, and allow the draft to be for those willing to pay the high price (which is what it would end up being anyway). - I can respect that from a business stand-point.
May 6, 2015 9:54 a.m.
ChiefBell - The biggest thing stopping WotC is actually the Reserved List. Not because the RL prevents Wizards from reprinting Modern legal cards, but because of the first time they did a reprint set they made many collectors angry. This is why they are so careful with the Modern Masters products, both in what's included, availability, and the price point.
SimicPower says... #1
I was expecting Dispatch. It fits the metal craft theme nicely. It also decreases the chances of PtE being in the set.
May 6, 2015 12:27 a.m.