Modern speculation
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Posted on July 18, 2014, 8:12 p.m. by Didgeridooda
New borders mean that there will be a modern rotation in around 5 years. Thoughts?
I think we can all agree that either abenz419 is trolling us or he's an idiot.
July 19, 2014 12:17 p.m.
@kmcree I wasn't just making up my own definition of what is modern legal. I was going based on the link that HarbingerJK posted. Directly in that link it specifically states that only "modern bordered" cards are legal. So you can say that the borders don't matter all you want, it still won't change what WIZARDS has put into print on their own website. Also in that link it does specify that Time Spiral cards are legal (it does that because they don't all contain the modern borders), so pointing out that they are legal and don't have modern border is a little irrelevant because it specifically states in that link that those cards are an exception, not the rule.
@thispersonisagenius haha, thank you. Finally, with your link, someone actually used logic and reason to provide an updated answer to what was presented. It's amazing how many people will sit there and argue something using their own opinions as their reasoning even if it completely contradicts what is written in print by the people who created the format in the first place. I was more than positive M15 was modern legal, I just thought it was funny that in his effort to show that modern doesn't rotate so the new M15 borders shouldn't cause a change, HarbingerJK actually provided a link that directly stated that M15 would not be legal in modern by definition of the rules. Instead of actually paying attention and noticing that HarbingerJK provided an outdated link or that I was messing around, everyone just got defensive and started to say no that's not true because "I said so" as if their opinions determined what was "Modern legal". Maybe if more people had taken the time to read things and pay attention like that, there wouldn't be so many butt-hurt people responding to this thread as though someone had viciously attacked them.
LOL, you people are funny!!!!
July 19, 2014 12:47 p.m.
@abenz419: first of all that link is old. Second of all, they give a complete and comprehensive list of sets included in Modern. This is the true definition of what is Modern legal. When they say "only cards with Modern borders" they are using it as a simple generalization, not a hard rule. This is evidenced by the fact that they proceed to list out the sets specifically, and include Time Spiral and Future Sight, which would otherwise contradict the border "rule". They never say "these are exceptions" because the border rule is not a hard rule. The actual hard rule from Wizards is the list of sets provided. Now you can continue to argue semantics, or we can all move on with our lives. Personally I'd prefer the later.
July 19, 2014 1 p.m.
HarbingerJK says... #6
this is why I don't come to the forum as much anymore
July 19, 2014 1:54 p.m.
HAHA, Yes I know the link was old, but instead of actually paying attention and noticing that, about a dozen people immediately got defensive and butt-hurt and started making points that could easily be refuted by what Wizards had in print on their site. Moral of the story is..... PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE!!!! You embarrass yourselves by arguing irrelevant points simply because you didn't feel like actually reading what was written.
Another thing to note is.... that it's not a simple generalization regarding the modern borders. Only cards with the "modern frames" are modern legal. Proof being, the fact that the only sets without the "modern border" that are legal in the Modern format are the ones Wizards has explicitly stated are legal, (i.e. Time Spiral, Future Sight, and M15). If a set doesn't have a modern border and Wizards hasn't declared it Modern legal, then it is not Modern legal. The format is defined by the "modern borders" not the fact that 8th edition was printed. It was purely coincidence that the border change happened at the same time 8th edition was printed. If they had gone another year before deciding to make a border change then it would have first appeared in a completely different set. Evidence to show that it's the border change that signifies the beginning of the modern format and not the 8th edition set specifically.
July 19, 2014 2:03 p.m.
You're just wrong. I don't know how else I can explain this to you. Please show me a link that specifically states that those sets are exceptions. The only info Wizards posted is a specific list of sets that are Modern legal. M15 and Time Spiral are both Modern legal, even though they have different borders. The official rule is not based on borders, but rather it is based on what set the card is from, and the chronological order that the set was released in. At this point it's become obvious you're just here to troll, so I'll move on. But just suffice to say that you're wrong.
July 19, 2014 2:11 p.m.
HarbingerJK says... #9
sigh the only reason I provided that link was because it stated that Modern is a non-rotating format...so crucify me...that was the only actual WotC link that stated it. It's not like that's going to change. If there's a link from 1997 saying that Legacy is non-rotating, does that make the link wrong?
Here let me just get it out of the way for abenz419: nitpick, nitpick, some kind of technicality due to casual writing, therefore Legacy should technically be a rotating format just like Modern.
Harbinger, out!
July 19, 2014 2:12 p.m.
HarbingerJK don't let him get under your skin, we're just dealing with a troll here. Everyone, do as Harbinger did. Stop feeding the troll.
July 19, 2014 2:40 p.m.
This thread is stupid. Seriously guys? Modern does not and will not rotate. That's the point of modern. The new frames were created to stop counterfeiters.
July 19, 2014 3:44 p.m.
@kmcree I don't need to provide a link, HarbingerJK already provided that. If you had read that already instead of diving in responding with the first thing that popped into your head, then you'd see I'm not making things up and that your are not right simply because you say so. Yes, the M15 boarder change was to prevent counterfeiting. That information is irrelevant though, because the link HarbingerJK provided directly states that you are to use "Only cards from sets using the modern card frame" (the part in quotations is a direct copy and paste from the link HarbingerJK provided, NOT MY OWN WORDS... something that shouldn't have to be explained to you if you had actually read things). One last time, the Modern format relates to the switch to the "modern borders", which coincidentally happened during the release of 8th edition. They didn't just randomly pick a set and say we'll start there, they specifically chose 8th edition for the sole reason that that's when the border change happened. Regardless of what you think, it's all about the border change and when it happened.
@HarbingerJK I never said you were wrong about modern rotating. The link is out of date because it doesn't have an updated list of the sets Wizards has declared Modern legal. What was funny, is that in your effort to prove that it didn't rotate you unknowingly provided something that questioned the legality of M15 in modern. I was simply messing around when I pointed that out because I knew the list provided in your link was out of date.
As far as everyone else goes, I can't help it if you guys get sensitive about a subject I jokingly pointed out specifically to HarbingerJK since he was the one who provided the link. Again, the moral of the story is..... PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE!!! Every single one of you could have prevented yourself a ton of drama and stress if you had just actually read things and payed attention to what was being said. It's so sad (and quite hilarious to anyone on the outside looking in) that you guys continue to argue this, especially since I was messing around to begin with and the comment was directed specifically to HarbingerJK and not the dozens of you people who for some unknown reason felt viciously attacked by my messing around with harbinger about his link. If you guys yet again fail to read this and still feel the need to argue, then I pray for you, because you clearly have more problems than me messing around with HarbingerJK about the link he provided.
July 19, 2014 4:42 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #13
@abenz419 Using your Enter key will help people read your posts clearly before they burst into laughter. Also, you should know that people on this site do not feel the need to listen to your bullshit strongly enough to pay attention when you tell them to.
July 19, 2014 6:45 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #14
To whoever mentioned me in this thread to call my attention to it, I'm not even going to bother to read it because I'm pretty sure my head will explode if I do. See Section 6.4 of the current MTR if you want to see exactly what makes up the Modern format.
July 20, 2014 11:27 a.m.
HarbingerJK says... #15
@thispersonisagenius seriously, every time abenz419 shows up on a forum posts he's being a troll. In fact, I'm pretty sure Epoch has straight up warned him not to be a dick. And sorry Rhadamanthus that was me, I didn't anticipate that it might be a couple days before my summoning spell worked.
July 20, 2014 5:38 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #16
@abenz419 You can use cards with antiquated borders so long as they've been re-printed in a subsequent set. So the fact they've changed the "modern border" hardly proves anything. It's the sets that matter.
July 20, 2014 5:53 p.m.
KrosanTusker says... #17
In summary, Modern will not "rotate." Modern was created because they needed a new format and Eighth Edition was chosen as the cut-off point for clarity's sake (I believe that 7th and 9th Edition were also considered). It is important to note that the need for the new format came first, and the border change was then chosen as the starting point. The existence of the new border did cause Wizards to create Modern. The current new border will be no different.
July 21, 2014 6:04 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #18
Epochalyptik says...
"I'll take this opportunity to remind people that I don't like seeing the forums smeared with dumb shit."
July 21, 2014 8:29 a.m.
I think modern could turn into legacy one day when all the card prices become ridiculous. At that time a new 'modern' may come around to provide another accessible format. In 10+ years time all the guys that early invested in modern might be viewed like legacy players today.
Anyway that's just a thought. No evidential basis except the fact that eventually modern will cost an arm and a leg.
July 21, 2014 8:34 a.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #20
Modern is an eternal format; it doesn't rotate.
That said, there's a theoretical possibility of a Moderner format, eventually. But that's so far into the future that I wouldn't worry about it.
July 21, 2014 8:48 a.m.
Named_Tawyny Modern actually isn't an eternal format. It's just a non rotating one.
July 21, 2014 10:47 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #22
I thought the definition of an eternal format is one which - once a card is in the format, it never leaves (minus bans, etc...), no?
July 21, 2014 10:57 p.m.
KrosanTusker says... #23
Eternal formats are like Legacy and Commander: they use every card, ever, minus bans.
Didgeridooda says... #1
I was using the borders as a time stamp. Not as a definitive separation of formats.
July 19, 2014 12:13 p.m.