Mogis, God Of Slaughter!
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Posted on Jan. 14, 2014, 12:51 a.m. by CommanderOfBolas
I like him. I like him a lot
2br
legendary enchantment creature- God
indestructibleas long as your devotion to red and black is less than 7, he isn't a creature
at the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, they lose 2 life unless they sac a creature
7/5
ok. what are your thoughts?
beakedbard says... #5
Now this is more like it great card especially amusing in multiplayer.
January 14, 2014 12:59 a.m.
I am hoping Phenax would be as good/better, because I like his art a lot.
It also seems like Mogis might look sick with a guitar..alterers, I call upon thee!!
January 14, 2014 1:09 a.m.
YouGotFranked says... #7
Just realized it, but i think they are making the minor gods in a way to have some synergy with the major gods of their colors. Take Ephara for example. She let you draw cards at every upkeep if you played a creature last turn. Well Heliod, God of the Sun let you put creatures at instant speed and Thassa, God of the Sea let you fix your draw.
Same for Mogis. Purphoros, God of the Forge follows the theme of burning your opponent while Erebos, God of the Dead prevent lifegain, which would make Mogis rather useless.
If that's how wizard decided to design the minor gods, then that makes me happy.
January 14, 2014 1:09 a.m.
Mogis is getting me very excited, definitely going to do that Minotaur Tribal I've been putting off!
January 14, 2014 1:10 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #10
I'm unimpressed. 2 damage every turn is good, but only aggressive/burn decks are really going to use that effect. Turn 4 just has a lot better plays for either type of deck. I'd much rather just drop Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch and swing for 4.
January 14, 2014 1:36 a.m.
@NobodyPicksBulbasaur: Think of it outside of aggro. It will wreck UWx control, and stop midrange in its tracks. It pairs well with Desecration Demon and will bring Jund Midrange back from the ashes.
January 14, 2014 1:43 a.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #12
Fair enough. I suppose it could give Grixis control a strong finisher.
January 14, 2014 1:47 a.m.
Mogis + Purphoros, God of the Forge + Desecration Demon = 5 devotion right there. add two more and he also transforms into a 7/5 attacker
January 14, 2014 1:49 a.m.
notamardybum says... #14
perhaps its time to bring back that rakdos devotion deck I was using....
January 14, 2014 2:12 a.m.
Darkness1835 says... #15
An indestructible win condition that could potentially swing in for 7? Looks like R/B/x control just got a huge boost.
January 14, 2014 2:13 a.m.
mageslayer0 says... #16
anyone think this card will have synergy with Pack Rat and Boros Reckoner ?
January 14, 2014 2:51 a.m.
KnightsBattlecry001 says... #17
I'm loving this card! Puts your opponent on a time table if the match gets drawn out. Definitely has a place in my rakdos deck.
January 14, 2014 4:49 a.m.
hungerwolf says... #18
Is this as stupidly broken as it looks? I've done 7-manna shenanigans with things like this in modern using Panoptic Mirror . and now it's a 4 drop that can easily become a 7/6 creature on top of that.
January 14, 2014 11:03 a.m.
I find Mogis to be fairly lack-luster... 2 damage each turn....? that's it...?
It's okay, but would Rakdos colors spend 4 mana on a 10 turn clock, that can be delayed? It's the same as a 2/2 creature that can't be pumped... not something Red or Black would normally want.
As an example, Obzedat does the same 2 damage (and no sac option to prevent it), and gives you life, and doesn't need Devotion to be a 5/5 body, while being almost as hard to kill as Sorceries won't hit it.
At least Ephara gives card advantage when it doesn't have Devotion... and that card advantage will help get to 7 Devotion. Mogis relies on it's Devotion to be at all useable, but has nothing to help achieve it, and only a slow, fairly non-interactive effect.
January 14, 2014 11:15 a.m.
You're looking at Mogis in isolation though if you think he's slow.
Play him in an aggressive deck to pile on pressure for the end turns, you'll be doing tons of damage already so there two pushes the opponent towards the cliff edge or I'd their already running out of life they'll need to start sacking blockers which just clears the way for your dudes.
He's not a win on his own but he makes sure your other stuff is.
January 14, 2014 11:27 a.m.
If you're playing him in an aggressive deck, you should have better T4 plays... he's still not great.
The Indestructible ability is the only thing that makes him okay... but there are so many Gods, and so many Enchantments, every deck has easy of dealing with it.
The idea that it will wreck UWx control is a joke, as the easiest way to deal with it is Detention Sphere , which is main board in all UWx decks.
The only deck that might have a hard time with it is the mirror match... B/R will not have an easy time dealing with it. The rest will laugh at it.
January 14, 2014 11:37 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #22
"the rest will laugh at it" ??? u/w/x has exactly 4 cards to deal with it. and that is a playset of d-sphere. so if you pack your deck with cards that are best answered with d-sphere, then he suddenly looks a lot better, as your opponent has less to deal with him. or, put him in a r/b/w or r/b/g deck and have some enchantment hate in the sb. itwill actually see a lot of play
January 14, 2014 12:08 p.m.
My point still stands... If you are playing better targets for my D-Sphere than Mogis... it means that Mogis is not as good as the other cards.
Also, with all of the answers that U/W/x has, why would I use all D-Spheres against B/R, when I can expect Mogis to be played. Your assumption that you can get them to use all the D-Spheres on other things means you are assuming that your opponent doesn't know how to play their deck properly.
As well, U/W has options other than D-Sphere. D-Sphere is just likely the best answer in most cases. Some of these are not currently used in a lot of decks, but decks evolve/change to suit the Meta. So, on the off chance U/W can't hack it with it's current cards, the decks will change slightly.
In the mean time, you're still using a slow 4-Drop instead of the many better options available.
January 14, 2014 12:45 p.m.
Outside of Standard, what are everyone's opinions of Mogis as a Commander? I think he's pretty strong and could potentially see play as a voltron type general. Plus he goes perfectly into decks with commanders like Thraximundar or Rakdos, Lord of Riots .
January 14, 2014 3:07 p.m.
Actually... Rakdos, Lord of Riots is what might make him playable in Standard (or more, he could make Rakdos, Lord of Riots playable).
T4: Mogis
T5: Mogis deals damage. Cast Rakdos, Lord of Riots
... assuming you had at least one other permanent, Mogis is active, and can swing. - Now you've done 9 damage... so if you played a land this turn, you can cast something huge!
Using Springleaf Drum , this could be T3/T4.
January 14, 2014 4:34 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #26
Mogis is disappointing, he was the card I was looking forward to most. Ability should of been: A) Other attacking creatures you control get +2/0 or B) Whenever a creature you control dies it deals damage equal to its power to target player. They completely missed with this one. The only thing good about him is 7/5 and Indestructible, and that's not great because he will be hard to turn on.
The deck he fits in is a Rakdos midrange build with lots of early disruption and removal. This will be the best way to ensure his ability is doing what you want it to.
I will pick up a playset when they drop to around $7 like Purphoros, God of the Forge , which is a better card overall.
January 14, 2014 6:16 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #27
Rakdos, Lord of Riots and Mogis will not work together because Mogis's ability triggers on the opponents turn.
January 14, 2014 6:20 p.m.
What about in a Rakdos control deck, with very few creatures? You could never actually swing with the god but I'm fairly sure a strong control deck can take the game to turn 14.
January 14, 2014 8:03 p.m.
If black gets a sweeper a la Damnation this could be a finisher in Grixis Control. However, then you are adding blue, and there is AEtherling in blue...
January 14, 2014 8:10 p.m.
B/W/R MidRAAGGEE!!! Playtest
Standard*
SCORE: 0 | 0 COMMENTS | 13 VIEWSThis is what I made for Mogis, and he fits in perfectly. The synergy he has is insane. With Rakdos, Lord of Riots , just look at Rayenous comment about that, knocks blockers out to let Underworld Cerberus through untouched, tons of devotion in these colors makes him easily become a creature, and with all the early removal they won't have many creatures to stall with.
January 14, 2014 9 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #31
This is a deck that could work with Mogis. Aggro will not work.
Mogis Midrange/Control Playtest
Standard*
SCORE: 0 | 0 COMMENTS | 2 VIEWSHopefully it's okay is okay I posted a decklink, I feel it's pertinent to the conversation.
January 14, 2014 9 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #32
I'm still not sold on him. Aggro decks want more bang for their buck, midrange decks already have better impact spells for the midgame, and control isn't necessarily in love with this guy.
He could be a pretty decent win-con for Grixis control, but it's been proven for a long time now that Sphinx's Revelation decks beat Rakdos's Return decks.
January 14, 2014 9:07 p.m.
T1 = Swamp --> Tormented Hero
T2 = Swamp --> Tormented Hero
, Mountain --> Firedrinker Satyr
T3 = Swamp --> Tormented Hero
, Mountain --> Firedrinker Satyr
, Mountain --> Legion Loyalist
T4 = Swamp, Swamp, Mountain, Mountain --> Mogis, God Of Slaughter!
T5 = Attack with all creatures. Pump both Firedrinker Satyr
, Legion Loyalist
should also give Trample
plausible, or too much setup needed? what you guys think?
January 14, 2014 10:17 p.m.
scratch the post above. too much draw needed LOL but definitely possible with 7 devotion by turn 4
January 14, 2014 10:30 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #35
Either way, Mogis won't have haste, so him being a creature on turn 4 is probably a hindrance more than a help. Exava seems like she would have been a better play there either way.
January 14, 2014 10:52 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #36
Hammer of Purphoros ? 2 devotion plus haste for him. he could definitely be active when he enters, and a 7/5 for 4 is pretty scary. especially with haste. I feel like he could definitely see play with grixis control. the lack of a better sweeper makes that a bit sketchy, but I think its doable. I guess we will have to wait for the rest of the set to be spoiled before we decide for sure
January 15, 2014 12:24 a.m.
T1: Swamp
, Springleaf Drum
T2: Mountain
, "Pain Seer", and perhaps another 1-Drop
T3: Get Extra card from "Pain Seer", Mountain
, Mogis - Likely 2 damage on opponents upkeep.
T4: Get extra card from "Pain Seer", Swamp
, Shock
(hitting opponent), Rakdos, Lord of Riots
, Swing with 7/5 Mogis.
January 15, 2014 1:29 a.m.
AussieBloke says... #38
I think everyone should calm the fuck down and wait till the whole set is released, there could be heaps of cards that work for him. And maybe he won't be expensive, he might be bad for $100 but he'd be great for $5. And, if you get one and think he's shit, then I have a better chance of trading to get one. Again, try to think positive you little whiny shits.
January 15, 2014 3:38 a.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #39
Without 7 devotion he is an indestructible curse. If his ability was the whole card for 2RB would you play it, well I used to run a nasty R/B vampire deck pre-avacyn restored and use Curse of the Pierced Heart x2 and people just raced it. Trying to run all the shred-freaks and all that may not be good enough to make this worth building a deck around. Now with a couple gary's and a couple fanatics and some other good BotG creature may change my mind but 7 devotion isnt easy heck I use 2 purphoros and sometimes 5 is tough, and my creatures are hybrids already so I can already see what spliting devotion is going to do to an aggro devotion..be slow. This guy has got spike calling his buddies. Kitchen table for me though.
January 15, 2014 4:23 a.m.
ColdHeartedSith says... #40
I didnt think about it but each new 2 color god gives 2 dev to itself to offset that they went 7 instead of five which I think should have been 6 but gave you 1 more power than the other 6/5 mono gods. So look at em as you need 5 devotion besides.
January 15, 2014 4:30 a.m.
vonbittner says... #42
My Rakdos control is sure to have it. Am i ever going to swing w/ it? nope, buuuut not having weenies around is going to be soooo good.
January 15, 2014 8:27 a.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #43
@AussieBloke Congrats on writing a paragraph that says nothing about the card and attempts to insult many in this thread. You come off as a little snot-nose punk.
Evaluating a card and concluding that it is not constructed playable is not whining. It sparks conversation and creates ideas. Troll elsewhere please.
January 15, 2014 8:31 a.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #44
I keep thinking about the interaction between Mogis and Master of Cruelties and like it. With Desecration Demon and his sacrifice triggers in addition to Mogis's and lots of removal opponents will have a hard time maintaining board presence. Repeatable indestructible Shock s are dangerous with the Master out. Not the means for a tier 1 deck but it could be fun for FNM.
January 15, 2014 11:13 a.m.
AussieBloke says... #45
@ Rasta_Viking29 My apologies, I was just excited about something great that would fit into one of my decks, and people were saying, "abilities should have been better, won't see play, it'll never be a creature.." I overreacted, and I'm sorry. I had no intention of trolling. I personally run a more midrange Rakdos deck, and this card is going to get a few slots. Itll makes the game last longer, which is what makes the game fun to play. There is no down side, he's like a slightly different desecration demon, and if I'm not mistaken, there pretty popular. Can't wait for this and temple of malice.
January 15, 2014 3:19 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #46
@ AussieBloke No biggie. I think he fits in a midrange deck as well. What's your plan to turn him into a creature? That's the biggest issue I have with him. The deck I have him going in seems like most times I will max out at 6 devotion. Minotaur tribal with Ragemonger could give him plenty of devotion but he might not be needed there and Purphoros, God of the Forge to me fits that deck better if it does play a god.
January 15, 2014 3:35 p.m.
Schuesseled says... #47
@ Rayenous with Hellrider kicking up his legs and taking a rest, there aren't many aggressive 4 drops for RB, basically just Exava, this is circumstantially much better.
January 15, 2014 3:37 p.m.
AussieBloke says... #48
@ Rasta_Viking29 my deck doesn't have heaps of permanents, but my perfect scenario would be, Lobber Crew
, Rakdos, Lord of Riots
, Mogis, God Of Slaughter!, then bring the pain. He counts for two devotion himself, and Rakdos is four wich is great! This is the deck he's going in, Rakdos, The True King Of Ravnica. But anyone running tribal Minotaurs could easily go Rakdos Cackler
, Deathbellow Raider
, Boros Reckoner
, Mogis, God Of Slaughter! for a turn four creature/god.
January 15, 2014 5:40 p.m.
Good if you plan to cast Rakdos, Lord of Riots on your next turn, or if you just hit your opponent with Master of Cruelties .
-Fulcrum says... #2
I'll take 12
January 14, 2014 12:56 a.m.